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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:00:00 -
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minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Abusing a broken system gj How is it broken?
Grumpy Owly wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets. Do you have any actual source for that? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:16:00 -
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GǪand since everything is going into this thread instead, I suppose I have to respond to a different thread here instead:
saltrock0000 wrote:This is the highest priced MMO on the market. Sure. If by GÇ£highest pricedGÇ¥ you mean GÇ£using the standard price for the industryGÇ¥. I wonder why people keep bringing up this particular piece of nonsense when it's so blatantly falseGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:36:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears. No more ISK farming. No more tears from farmers and griefers alike. Nah. Put a rewards timer on the mothership: each incursion contains a fixed amount of rewards, and when they have all been paid out, the incursion disappears. Each site is adjusted to give a portion of these rewards proportional to the average man-hours needed for an incursion as a whole compared to the amount of man-hours needed on average for the particular site. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:12:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. 40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:34:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph. GǪand that's the reason they have been a target for requests for nerfs for, oh, the last 4+ years or so, since the risk-vs-reward is so obviously off-kilter. So no, it's actually incursions that are the GÇ£next itemGÇ¥ on the hunt. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:39:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:42:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:57:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:So it's given away free on the marketplace then right?
It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets. GǪand that's the key difference: it doesn't create ISK GÇö it actually removes ISK from the economy.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets bounties contribute. I know how much bounties contribute GÇö you are making claims about incursions, which did not exist back then and for which, as far as I know, no numbers have been released.
So I'm asking you about your source and/or numbers to support your claim. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:34:00 -
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gfldex wrote:There you go. Just sum it all up for all regions. GǪwhich says nothing about the actual payout of all those kills, and provides even less information about incursions.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Thats irrelavant genious as you can still get a good indicator of how much overall was being generated (a magnitude e.g. about 42 Tril / month by the last numbers) and see how substantial it is from it, even though pilot numbers and skills have increased that will likley add to the pot and then any economic factors. No, it's not irrelevant, because it still doesn't provide the numbers you claim to have (or, perhaps more accurately, the numbers needed to make your claims).
Quote:Do it for yourself if you like and see how much you consider the relative earnings are. GǪor you could just provide them and show your sources, since you are the one making claims based on those numbers.
Quote:Personally, when you consider all the mission running and other activities by the vast majority of the player base it doesnt take much to imagine how much is being generated by comparison. Just one problem: imagination is not a source and cannot be used as a basis for anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:57:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Then by the same token can you provide supporting evidence that supports the claim that incurions ARE the main problem over other areas of the game. I'm not making that claim.
Quote:I have done a previous exercise with someone else's claimed figures before in a previous thread that demonstrated based on the figures provided what the contribution was. GǪand the result (and source) wasGǪ?
Quote:But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers. What on earth are you on about?  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:33:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. 
Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 -
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Ok, I've changed my mind. Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here GÇö no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:02:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy.  I'll direct you to -º14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:05:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy.  I'll direct you to -º14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. whipping Those too. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy.  I'll direct you to -º14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. Harsh. Aaron Carter. So yes, harsh, but 100% justified. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:46:00 -
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Brumi Viri wrote:To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe. Ah, the classic GÇ£CCP needs botters to pay the billsGÇ¥ defence.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:09:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything. In essence:
GÇ£Waah, another player playing the game legitimately is keeping me from exploiting weaknesses in the rule set to milk every last ISK-cent from this feature. Allowing him to do so will make us leave, and you will suffer!!GÇ¥
GǪmuch like how various botting proponents have defended the use of bots and decried any methods to halt their botting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:25:00 -
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PCUs for the last six months. So yeah, looking better. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:35:00 -
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Jo Hei wrote:This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to New and casual players don't do incursions and aren't really allowed to enjoy them anyway. That part has nothing to do with people doing incursions in an entirely legitimate way (and has more to do with those doing them semi-illegitimately). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:38:00 -
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Morar Santee wrote:1. You are shedding a river of tears because Incursions are such a gigantic ISK faucet. 2. You demand proof that bounties are not, in fact, a bigger ISK faucet than Incursions. 3. You constitute that because there are no current numbers available, you must of course have been right all along. Without being able to provide any hard numbers yourself. At all. Whatsoever. 1. No. I'm merely concerned because it looks like it might be one, given the numbers people throw around, but no-one has any actual data on incursions and it would be nice to have some in order to have a sensible debate on the issue. 2. No, I demand some factual basis for the assertions people make, especially in cases when no such numbers have been provided to my knowledge. If someone could provide actual numbers, the comparison is easy since we do have figure for many of the other faucets. 3. No, I merely conclude that the claims being made are unsubstantiated and quite possibly made up.
Quote:But then I see these threads, filled to the brim with misinformed, intellectually challenged would-bes, whining about how Incursions are so horrible. ...and that is why I ask people who make these kinds of claims to provide some data to back up their statements. No matter what it shows, it would be interesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:16:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Lets do some math. According to CCP incursions are paying out 621 billion a week. Source? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:27:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Just a quick note, the 60bil/week number for incursions comes from the NPC news item posted by CCP and is an official number. We can argue permutations but I expect everyone here realizes that the level 4 number is a lowball. Link?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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