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Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.23 16:25:00 - [1] Greetings all, I am in the process of starting an expansion to my pre-existing market activites. I am looking to accumulate an additional 4 billion ISK from investors. I've currently been trading amongst my alts in both the Jita and Rens markets, and have found what I consider to be a very steady source of income. I would like to capitalize on my market research and expand into more regions. Description I am currently, and have been (on and off) a trader in some of the market hubs. More specifically, I've invested a lot of my time buying and selling for large profit margins. Most of my market investments have been placed within the major market hubs, such as Jita and Rens, and transported amongst other regions for profit. With this bond offering, I intend to expand my current reselling business to a much larger scale to increase profits even further. The business has already been initially funded with 1B of my own (totaling 5b once the bond reaches maximum investment), with the purpose of having a starting fund. The methods of trade that I will be using to gain profit will be similar to those that I've already been thoroughly involved with. This business will just apply the same concepts on a larger scale. Bond Offering Total bond value 5,000,000,000 ISK (only 4B of which is available for investment) 15% Monthly return (minimum) There will be no shares issued, as the character that will be running the bond is currently tied to a corporation (I realize that it will be a lot more work on my part to distribute monthly returns without the usage of shares, but because I'd like to run the business through my main character and not an alt, it's not an available option) No maintenance fee. The bond will run for 6 months (from the time it starts), at which point the bond will have matured and repurchasing will be available. An evaluation of profits will be made, and based on investors desire to continue and expand even further, the bond will either carry on from that point, or be closed. In the event the decision is made to close the bond, all investments will be returned. If the bond continues, a new offering will be made and current investors will have the option to withdrawal their initial investment. About me I've been playing eve on and off, even during beta. Up until now have I actually acquired enough free time to really delve deep into some of the mechanics, and find aspects of the game that have drawn my attention, namely, trading. I've been in market trading in the past, but until recently (late 2006 until now) have I found a consistent method of trade that has shown substantial profits and piqued my interest to expand to an even larger scale. I have no intention of imposing a maintenance fee. No money will be deducted other than the monthly 15% from my personal investment in the business. The purpose of this endeavor is to expand myself (both my wallet and my experience), while establishing my name within the community and hopefully building credibility for future business plans. I've found trading to not only be incredibly profitable, but rewarding in other ways as well, which keeps me active in trading. As stated above, I have substantial amounts of free time now, which is why I feel I can take on the challenge of providing the amount of returns promised, each month.
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.23 16:25:00 - [2] Purchasing shares To purchase shares within the bond, send the investment to this character, Riethe. Please make note that it is an investment by also sending me an EVE mail. Upon successfully receiving an investment, I will confirm it by contacting you back. Please also post your investment in this thread, unless you prefer to keep your investment confidential. The bond will begin operation on October 7th, at which point all money will be worked into the market and all operations will be underway. All payouts will happen on the 7th of each month. Investment Security My business plan is not based around a market prediction or estimate. There is very little guesswork involved. The methods I will be employing to make profit are essentially failsafe, and are almost entirely similar to the method of trade I've already profited from. The difference being that this bond will be a larger investment placed in more market regions. In the worst circumstances, I will only be able to break even on investments. The suggested 15% is a mere minimum. Any additional profits will be applied to the monthly payout. During the first 6 months of the offering, all profit will be paid out as returns to investors. Why make a bond if you've been successful on your own? The primary interest of creating a bond is establishing myself in the community. I'd like to build up my reputation and work on a larger scale, both now, and in the future. I'm hoping that from this, I can slowly work myself up to a larger business offering, using both my own and other's investments. I hope you consider my offering, and if you have any questions or concerns please ask here and I'd be more than happy to attempt to address them.
Meleil	Posted - 2007.09.23 16:35:00 - [3] I've read your offering several times. It sounds like an ok offering, but... Why should we trust you? There are people in here with a 6th sense when it comes to this, but I don't so please clarify. ~Mel
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.23 16:48:00 - [4] As far as trusting my business proposition, investors have little more than my word to place their judgment on. In the event that it becomes a large concern amongst investors, the introduction of a 3rd party can be incorporated for the sole purpose of auditing my business. Unfortunately, beyond that I'm unable to find a proper method of proving trust to those that doubt me. I would like to use this offering as a starting point to develop this trust between myself and investors.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.23 17:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Riethe As far as trusting my business proposition, investors have little more than my word to place their judgment on. In the event that it becomes a large concern amongst investors, the introduction of a 3rd party can be incorporated for the sole purpose of auditing my business. Unfortunately, beyond that I'm unable to find a proper method of proving trust to those that doubt me. I would like to use this offering as a starting point to develop this trust between myself and investors. I would be that 3rd party. If you'd like me to attest to your current trading activities, please contact me via eve-mail. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.23 18:55:00 - [6] Geeze.. ANOTHER new IPO. Sorry... you may be 100% legit but there are just way too many right now and I've hit my limit. You may be able to find investors... but if you ask me you're a week late on this IPO or a month early. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kitex Blacktag Test Labs	Posted - 2007.09.23 19:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Riethe Greetings all, There will be no shares issued, as the character that will be running the bond is currently tied to a corporation (I realize that it will be a lot more work on my part to distribute monthly returns without the usage of shares, but because I'd like to run the business through my main character and not an alt, it's not an available option) Originally by: Riethe I've been in market trading in the past, but until recently (late 2006 until now) have I found a consistent method of trade that has shown substantial profits and piqued my interest to expand to an even larger scale. You post indicates that this character is your main, but your birthdate is Feb of this year, and you allude to trading experience dating back to at least 2006, and other play experience dating back to beta. Would you be willing to post with one of your older characters for verification? Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery!
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.23 19:24:00 - [8] Teh EBANK are in your threads, stealing your IPO's! Nah, havent even read this one yet, my head is spinning so fast.
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.23 19:37:00 - [9] If you offer a security against scam I am willing to invest a fair chunk.
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.24 00:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Shadarle Geeze.. ANOTHER new IPO. Sorry... you may be 100% legit but there are just way too many right now and I've hit my limit. You may be able to find investors... but if you ask me you're a week late on this IPO or a month early. That's unfortunate to hear. If it keeps up that there is low investment simply due to IPO-saturation then I suppose it may be in my best interest to reintroduce myself in the future. I did however consider this before posting, but I didn't realize it was that bad. Most IPOs right now are either maxed out, either due to age, or the low investment required (for example one of the IPOs just got covered by a single investor). So while many actively exist at this point in time, not all or many of them appear to be readily available for investment. From this I did not gather that the amount of business offerings is exceedingly high. Furthermore, regardless of saturation, I'd like to see what many investors are looking for and even possibly get this rolling on the intended date. Originally by: Kitex You post indicates that this character is your main, but your birthdate is Feb of this year, and you allude to trading experience dating back to at least 2006, and other play experience dating back to beta. Would you be willing to post with one of your older characters for verification? Unfortunately this is impossible, as this is my "main" in the sense that of all the characters I've played, this one is the most developed, and my previous characters (throughout my sporadic playability) no longer exist. That is, while I dabbled in multiple areas of the game, during the time period where I actually began to give eve a thorough visit, I made multiple mistakes in both character creation and development. After learning a bit more on the topic I've since corrected such mistakes (thus, my character is a bit newer than I originally stated) and consider myself to be a lot more knowledgeable. Originally by: 4534bobalt3244 If you offer a security against scam I am willing to invest a fair chunk. What would you consider to be sufficient enough measures to insure the security of your investment? I'm open to ideas, as I would like to see this become a success.
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.24 00:54:00 - [11] I was considering some sort of collateral but it might not work in your case. Maybe if you can secure a known name to vouch for you and offer 50% buy back in the case you run.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.09.24 01:27:00 - [12] Originally by: 34534bobalt3244 I was considering some sort of collateral but it might not work in your case. Maybe if you can secure a known name to vouch for you and offer 50% buy back in the case you run. I'd happily discuss the error of such thinking and practices but I'd rather do it with your main. I detest alt games myself. It's A GIRL!!!!!
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.24 02:38:00 - [13] I don't quite understand the "My other toons no longer exist" line. You deleted them? Why on earth would you delete characters? What kind of mistakes did you make? There is no level of creation mistake that can justify deleting a long played character. Unless the mistakes are more along the lines of "I ****ed off the wrong people", in which case that is very important information for investors to know about. It's hard to claim you are a very long time player if you have absolutely 0 way to back that up and only have a relatively new character. But as to my original statement that there were just too many IPO's currently, it was not really that the existing IPO's had eaten up all investment opportunity. Rather, the problem was that there were simply too many small IPO's that were all somewhat similar and all wanted a couple billion ISK. There were very few of these for a long time and now there is a massive wave of them all at once... it smells a bit fishy. None have any name recognition, none have many people willing to throw their support to the person, none have much money or experience in making a lot of money, all seem to be made by nice well spoken people. Basically, if you want other peoples money you have to convince people you're not going to run away with their money or squander it. You are getting into rocky territory when the discussion turns to your shadowy past and deleted/lost/sold characters. You're gonna have to find some way to restore confidence if you want a lot of investors to flock to your IPO. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.24 03:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Shadarle I don't quite understand the "My other toons no longer exist" line. You deleted them? Why on earth would you delete characters? What kind of mistakes did you make? There is no level of creation mistake that can justify deleting a long played character. Unless the mistakes are more along the lines of "I **ed off the wrong people", in which case that is very important information for investors to know about. The misunderstanding here is that the character that was referred to in the post was a mere couple months old, hadn't been training the entire time, and was not geared toward a focus on the market. Thus, the deletion and recreation of said character ended up saving time in the long run. I do however retain one of my trading alts from the same time period. Originally by:** Shadarle It's hard to claim you are a very long time player if you have absolutely 0 way to back that up and only have a relatively new character. If it's deemed necessary, I could certainly attempt to revive my account dating all the way back to beta, but the difficulty of such task seems excessive for the purpose of saying at one point in time many years ago I did in fact play (which, while is true, my market exploration was quite limited). I suppose to simplify this entirely, I should have only made reference to the fact that this character was created at the start of this year, rather than a few months prior. I should have not made notice of the fact that I actually began taking interest in the market a few months prior to his conception (or his reincarnation, more like). I now realize that this has only caused additional confusion, but the point was to state that my initial interest in the market has developed beyond the existence of the character that now I refer to as my main. Originally by: Shadarle But as to my original statement that there were just too many IPO's currently, it was not really that the existing IPO's had eaten up all investment opportunity. Rather, the problem was that there were simply too many small IPO's that were all somewhat similar and all wanted a couple billion ISK. There were very few of these for a long time and now there is a massive wave of them all at once... it smells a bit fishy. None have any name recognition, none have many people willing to throw their support to the person, none have much money or experience in making a lot of money, all seem to be made by nice well spoken people. I can see how this can be difficult on the investing community and realize the fact that myself and others lack any root to the community or any true established achievements. Perhaps there is a better time to reintroduce myself and my business proposition. For now, I am going to attempt to continue this bond offering as I have already began to receive investments. Originally by: Shadarle Basically, if you want other peoples money you have to convince people you're not going to run away with their money or squander it. You are getting into rocky territory when the discussion turns to your shadowy past and deleted/lost/sold characters. You're gonna have to find some way to restore confidence if you want a lot of investors to flock to your IPO. Unfortunately I'm unable to prove or disprove a shadowy past as you make mention of. All you have is my written word, and that is, the only shadowy past I have to speak of is a sporadic interest in the game due to the relatively steep learning curve and a lack of time to apply myself. At this point in time (and for a relatively large duration of time) I have less obligations and am capable of playing much more frequently, which has caused me to explore deeper into the market and subsequently create this offering. I will make a post from one of my current trading characters that will be participating in this business. The character is "Shinji Hakuen" and was started around the same time as this character initially was.
Shinji Hakuen	Posted - 2007.09.24 03:28:00 - [15] Posting to confirm Riethe is my main.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.24 03:30:00 - [16] In the end, investors will have to make their own decisions. I won't be investing in this myself. Then again, I've never bought shares for anything. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:23:00 - [17] I will throw 50m down. It's not much and is a personal one (ie in no way affiliated to EBANK). I am investing simply because your business plan seems ok and I can comfortably afford to lose the isk in the event that this is a scam (thanks to some nice earnings from poker games over the past 48 hours) Now, I really dislike the fact that there are no shares issued as I use shares to track investments far better, so I will ask that you have one of your alts set up a holding corp of some sort just to issue them. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.24 09:01:00 - [18] Regarding security - if you already possess some shares (from well-established corps/IPOs) or other items of a value equal to what you're asking people to trust you with, and you are prepared to let the EBANK or some other neutral organisation hold them for the duration of the IPO, then you'll have no problems finding investors. Even if you can't secure the whole value of the IPO, 50% or better would still be appreciated. Also, I agree with Ricdic about the shares. Even if they're just from a specifically created holding corp, they'd be useful; in particular, it means that we can sell our stakes on to someone else (if we want to) without having to contact you. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Regarding security - if you already possess some shares (from well-established corps/IPOs) or other items of a value equal to what you're asking people to trust you with, and you are prepared to let the EBANK or some other neutral organisation hold them for the duration of the IPO, then you'll have no problems finding investors. Even if you can't secure the whole value of the IPO, 50% or better would still be appreciated. Generally with IPO's where EBANK underwrites (either in full or partially) them we will look at a range of options rather than just having tons of shares in various corporations. Having said that if the OP has some kind of security he wants to foot up to cover a portion of the costs in the event of a scam he is welcome to convo/evemail me ingame. Whilst this doesn't remove the risk of failure or scam, it can give investors the ability to get back a little of their investment in such a scenario. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.09.24 20:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadarle Geeze.. ANOTHER new IPO. Sorry... you may be 100% legit but there are just way too many right now and I've hit my limit. You may be able to find investors... but if you ask me you're a week late on this IPO or a month early. There can never be enough legitimate IPOs. This game could do with another 100 half-assed--to--decently run publicly traded corps (or bonds, or whatever the case may be); going from a player-run stock market perspective, at least. with that many pubbies, you might see a reason to have actual stock brokers/advisers/etc like you see in the non-new-eden world.
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:54:00 - [21] Just an update here. Upon further investigation, forming an holding corp and issuing shares will be a lot simpler than I initially understood. At the request of both Ricdic and an investor that has requested confidentiality, I've created a holding corp on an alt. The corp tracker is RHCRP. The alt that founded the corp is Axvancry Gore. There will be a total of 5000 shares, each share valued at 1,000,000 ISK. While there has been a mixed interest, and some investments already made, there is still a need for more investors. I will be getting in contact with Ricdic and working out an agreement to introduce--at the very least--a weak layer of security in hopes of addressing some concerns amongst weary (albeit with very good reason) investors. Please do continue to provide me with both criticism, questions, or comments. It provides me more opportunities to engage myself in conversation with the active investing community, and build what I hope to be a long lasting relationship.
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.25 09:56:00 - [22] Just a quick follow up here in regards to an eve-mail I received in-game. For those that are unsure (and it's probably my mistake to not have specified clearly enough), all investments should go directly to Riethe. A large portion of the business is being ran through my main character (at least, the front-end aspects of it), and the primary interest of this bond offering is to establish myself under my main character. Thank you for your interest.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.25 10:14:00 - [23] Your murdered your subject good sir. Look forward to seeing what you have in mind later on. If you have MSN feel free to add me and chat there ([email protected]) as I won't be back online in Eve for a good 4 hours. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.25 10:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Ricdic Your murdered your subject good sir. Thanks for pointing that out. I think it's holding now. Just another update for everyone: 700 of the 4000 available shares have already been claimed. No shares have been distributed yet, as the holding corp has just been made. It will take a day for the vote to increase shares to go through (unless I am mistaken?) Once all shares are created, they will be issued to current and future investors.
Klavayne Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Klavayne on 25/09/2007 19:56:24 I may be interested in purchasing 100 or so shares in a few days time (amount depends on how quickly some of my sell orders go). However, personally i will be waiting on the holding corp to be up and running (i.e. shares being distributed) before i hand over my isk as i dont like the thought of it sitting there in the meantime. I hope this IPO goes well for you. Edit, can you make a post when the shares have started being distributed please. Thank you.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.09.25 23:48:00 - [26] I'll invest in 100 shares. My understanding is that you want the isk sent to Reithe?
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.26 00:53:00 - [27] 150 million sent to Reithe.
Ricdic's Hoe	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:04:00 - [28] Funds sent sir
Fitz VonHeise The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:36:00 - [29] Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 26/09/2007 03:38:13 Originally by: 34534bobalt3244 150 million sent to Riethe. That answered my question... 100m sent.
Riethe	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Klavayne Edited by: Klavayne on 25/09/2007 19:56:24 I may be interested in purchasing 100 or so shares in a few days time (amount depends on how quickly some of my sell orders go). However, personally i will be waiting on the holding corp to be up and running (i.e. shares being distributed) before i hand over my isk as i dont like the thought of it sitting there in the meantime. I hope this IPO goes well for you. Edit, can you make a post when the shares have started being distributed please. Thank you. There are still a few hours before that will be finalized. I will make a post informing everyone when shares are available for distribution. Originally by: Fitz VonHeise I'll invest in 100 shares. My understanding is that you want the isk sent to Reithe? No. The character I am posting from is Riethe. I have no affiliation with "Reithe" Please do not make the mistake of sending ISK to that character as I have no way of returning it. Originally by: 34534bobalt3244 150 million sent to Reithe. Unfortunately this money was not received as Reithe is not my character. I apologize for any losses resulting from this confusion. Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Funds sent sir Funds received! Thank you for the investment. All of the stock availability will be finalized very shortly and I'll have them all distributed to investors. There is still plenty more stock available for investment. Please, once again; if you have any interest, any concerns, any questions, anything at all, contact me either in this thread or in-game and I'll happily attempt to address your concerns.

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