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Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.24 20:09:00 -
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Keep deluding yourself then, this rethoric rabble of yours is quite void. May the wolves have good fortune in ridding space of pirates. ___
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.25 06:33:00 -
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If all your going to do is moan and insult me Vendrin then leave this thread, but first;
Yesterday a combined ATTC and CARD fleet flew over thirty jumps to engage TAS, due to losses received on the way and the time it took we arrived with only a fraction of the fleet. Knowing that we'd be outnumbered at least 2 to 1 if it came to a full on fight we decided to scout around and engage any lone pilots. Sadly this didn't go to plan and a ship was lost, despite this however we are determined to carry on the fight.
To all pilots of APEX, CAIN and anyone else who go against the rabbits if you wish to join us in this fight then feel free to contact us.
Death to the Guristas, glory for the Caldari!
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.25 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mori Felding Keep deluding yourself then, this rethoric rabble of yours is quite void. May the wolves have good fortune in ridding space of pirates.
I believe the words you're looking for are, "I hope you all kill each other." While I can sympathize with such a thought, given your position, I'm afraid you're only going to get half of your wish. _
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Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.25 08:01:00 -
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Most likely :( ___
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Aceformat
Caldari Advanced Response Division
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Posted - 2007.09.25 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo If all your going to do is moan and insult me Vendrin then leave this thread, but first;
Yesterday a combined ATTC and CARD fleet flew over thirty jumps to engage TAS, due to losses received on the way and the time it took we arrived with only a fraction of the fleet. Knowing that we'd be outnumbered at least 2 to 1 if it came to a full on fight we decided to scout around and engage any lone pilots. Sadly this didn't go to plan and a ship was lost, despite this however we are determined to carry on the fight.
To all pilots of APEX, CAIN and anyone else who go against the rabbits if you wish to join us in this fight then feel free to contact us.
Death to the Guristas, glory for the Caldari!
Indeed the route was a long and treacherous one, to reach The Associates, down here in Molden Heath.
Dr Salo is correct though, although we may have different opinions we all have the same desire, to put these criminals out of their misery or at least send them back into lawless space for fear of their lives.
The time has come to combine!
The ATTC/.CARD forces were no match and even though one of our ships was lost and the lives of its crew perished, more would have died had we not pulled back. But we will continue to fight!
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Jirai Tew'rist
Caldari Tew'rist Funds Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.09.25 08:48:00 -
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Do not give up, for you fight for the State.
The Guristas and their cohorts must perish, the lost souls will be avenged, and the blood already spilled will not be in vain.
As I grow independantly, I will draw from my available funds to help the cause. Until then, my wishes and hopes are with you. Do not fail us, for you do not fight for yourselves, but that of our Nation.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.25 12:26:00 -
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Looked at another way, this operation can be considered a resounding success. What it proved was that with very little notice, corporations and alliances loyal to the Caldari State can put aside their differences and join forces to take on an enemy of the State. The real challenge is for other corporations and alliances to forget petty squabbles and personal antagonism and realise that it is really a case of ‘united we stand, divided we fall’.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.25 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo Honour, above all else is the one thing worth dieing for. To restore lost honour the Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium are hereby going to war with the Black Rabbits.
The activity of the Black Rabbits has caused business for the ATTC to suffer, deals have been broken, promises unfulfilled. And above all else, the blood of the Caldari people has been shred!
For the Caldari people, for glory, and for business!
Hmm... can we then expect a war declaration upon CAIN by ATTC then?
One man's freedom fighter or loyalist is another man's terrorist or pirate. I've little personal interest in this war, but the hypocrisy amuses me greatly.
I suppose I must extend a welcome to Molden Heath then. Look forward to seeing your names on our wallet transaction logs
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:03:00 -
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ahh such twisted politics, it never ceases to amuse.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.25 20:01:00 -
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Hardly twisted politics, rather then wait for TAS to appear we go to them.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Tek Avellos
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.25 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo Yesterday a combined ATTC and CARD fleet flew over thirty jumps to engage TAS, due to losses received on the way and the time it took we arrived with only a fraction of the fleet.
This clearly shows you didn't bother with any sort of preparation for your declaration. Poor leadership. Instead of declaring wars you can't win, you might consider hiring some competent people Irias.
Although Roy Gordon seems to have a high level of optimism. Make the best of a bad situation I suppose. I bet he makes a great bootlicker too. I'd wager a guess that is why you have an inflated sense of your own importance doctor.
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.25 20:44:00 -
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If all APEX pilots are going to do is insult me don't post in this thread.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Usagi Tsukino
Caldari APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.26 02:10:00 -
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Oh don't be so sensitive, Doctor. If all it takes is a couple of jabs from Vendrin and Tek, well... you may need to look to a new line of work.
Originally by: Irias Salo To all pilots of APEX, CAIN and anyone else who go against the rabbits if you wish to join us in this fight then feel free to contact us.
As was said before, APEX is not a paramilitary. Short of the Conglomerate's assets or operations being affected, we have no intention of deploying forces into foreign territory.
A tip for next time though... Move your assets and forces, then issue the war deceleration. ---
Usagi Tsukino // Security Director APEX Unlimited // Public Channel: APEXCOM |
Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.26 06:16:00 -
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The original plan was to commit hit and run attacks, only after a discussion with CARD was it decided to set up a permanent base. Plans always change, it just was a matter of bad luck that we ran into a hunting pirate force while moving our assets.
And all I asked was for APEX pilots not to post if they canĘt do anything but other then insult me.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.26 08:15:00 -
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For your information, I am both a loyal employee and a friend to Irias Salo. As such, I obey the commands of my CEO with the utmost diligence, as all members of a corporation should do so. And as a friend, I will publicly praise him for his actions, and chide him in private, as all good friends should do so. If you consider this ‘boot-licking’ then I hope your CEO takes note of this as being a sign of possible suspect loyalty to your corporation. It would be an act of insanity to declare openly what our plans concerning this war are. Needless to say that the old adage, ‘The best form of defence is attack’ would be one apt way of describing our actions. And, with Operation ‘Odin’s Eye’ still underway, I am loath to say more.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.09.26 17:34:00 -
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ATTC I would not worry to much what Apex has to say, certain members like Usagi like to run there mouth alot, they dont hold much water. I especially like the comment that there not paramilitary...lol
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo Hardly twisted politics, rather then wait for TAS to appear we go to them.
History is full of interesting relationships isn't it Irias?
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The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos |
Jirai Tew'rist
Caldari Tew'rist Funds Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.09.27 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Oh don't be so sensitive, Doctor. If all it takes is a couple of jabs from Vendrin and Tek, well... you may need to look to a new line of work.
Originally by: Irias Salo To all pilots of APEX, CAIN and anyone else who go against the rabbits if you wish to join us in this fight then feel free to contact us.
As was said before, APEX is not a paramilitary. Short of the Conglomerate's assets or operations being affected, we have no intention of deploying forces into foreign territory.
A tip for next time though... Move your assets and forces, then issue the war deceleration.
That does make the most sense afterall.
Only goes to show that inadequate use of resources and abilities by ATTC. This isn't some Caldari Navy mission made and prepared totally for you, this is combat, this is a fight for respect and self preservation.
I have a feeling that this is another loss for the Caldari State. Good work to everyone involved. You show them how it's done. I don't mean to say bad things, but when I read the communications that are being had here, it does appear to ruin what we're actually capable of.
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo The original plan was to commit hit and run attacks, only after a discussion with CARD was it decided to set up a permanent base.
The discussion happened after the war declaration. Thus the assets for a permanent base were moved after the war was declared. The assets for hit and run attacks, the original strategy, were already in position.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:11:00 -
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Dear, oh dear, oh dear. It would appear that the non-military minded or military trained citizens out there have a somewhat limited comprehension of what a ‘war’ is. ‘War is war’ you may say. Not true. War comes in many guises, as do the tactics employed. Here are a few examples-
‘Brush Fire’ wars ‘Limited Objective’ wars ‘Border Conflict’ wars ‘System Dispute’ wars ‘Genocidal’ wars ‘Total’ wars ‘Propaganda’ wars Etc, etc.
The type of ‘war’ embarked on will determine the tactics and forces deployed. As the war ATTC is currently involved in would fall within the ‘Limited Objective’ type, then our tactics and strategy employed so far meets military doctrine. When planning a war it is often unwise to move your forces close to where the enemy is operating. He will be observing your movements and may well plan ambushes. A forward base should be placed near enough to the enemy so that you can gather forces quickly, but not so near as to allow the enemy excellent opportunities of spying on your movements. Attacks on the enemy should ideally be carried out unannounced, for obvious reasons! You should carry out initial engagements only after you have scouted out the enemies’ defences, and tested their defence capabilities. One way of doing this is the ‘Reconnaissance in Force’ type operation. This is exactly the mission that was carried out by the combined ATTC/.CARD force. Further operations will then be planned based on the intelligence gained.
There are a number of excellent Caldari military manuals out there, I suggest you peruse them at your leisure.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:28:00 -
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So would your 'Limited objective' include getting a bunch of your ships destroyed and your crew captured or killed? If so, you're going to earn yourself a lot of shiny new medals. _
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:52:00 -
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Dear Mr Devilish Ledoux, The one inevitable conclusion of war is that there are very rarely 'winners or losers' in the truest sence of the word. Death will come to those on both sides of the conflict I fear. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.27 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Gordon Dear Mr Devilish Ledoux, The one inevitable conclusion of war is that there are very rarely 'winners or losers' in the truest sence of the word. Death will come to those on both sides of the conflict I fear.
We'll see about that. _
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.27 10:10:00 -
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War is a means of revenue by exerting policy or much more simply... pillaging. With profit being the driving force of us both, and wars being a means to achieve an environment of profit,
I'd say there is always a winner in war, the side who at the end, has made the greatest profit, or the greatest profit projections due to the policy the war has influenced.
I can only assume that ATTC hopes to gain profit by disrupting Guristas operations which could result in better profit projections due to uninhibited industrial shipping. However, another option is they hope to gain profit by training their pilots while fighting the Guristas and thereby increasing shareholder value and goodwill of their respective organisations. Or maybe they want to gain profit by utter destruction of Guristas vessels and taking the spoils for themselves.
I can asure you that the last form of a war-based revenue stream might be a bite to big to chew. In the other two scenario's... sir.. to you.. I wish a profitable day.
Naphtalia Verone,
www.guristas.com
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.27 13:54:00 -
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Ah, Naphtalia, from your reply you appear to be a student of military matters. Have you read 'Strategems and Tactics', written by Hesson? I know it's well over a hundred years old now, but much of what it speaks of is relevent even today. No doubt many of your Caldari members will have read 'Modern theory of War' and 'Military Doctrine: Tactic's in the Star Age', both standard text's in Caldari State Military schools. This current conflict between us will be quite interesting methinks. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:24:00 -
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The objectives of the war are classified, however no matter what happens we shall fight with honour and by the rules of war. Any profit gained shall merely be an added bonus and donated to the families of those who lives are lost in the war.
Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Gordon Ah, Naphtalia, from your reply you appear to be a student of military matters.
...this is by far the most amusing thing I've ever seen a State Loyalist spout here.
Honestly... you shoud be a comedian... you'd make more of a killing than you seem to be against The Guristas.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:34:00 -
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Can't a single GalNet thread manage to avoid descending into bickering? Seriously, your like kids. To our friends, the Rabbits the best of luck, not that you require it. ---
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Irias Salo The objectives of the war are classified, however no matter what happens we shall fight with honour and by the rules of war. Any profit gained shall merely be an added bonus and donated to the families of those who lives are lost in the war.
The easier to try and keep your dignity after being throughly destroyed?
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.09.28 16:14:00 -
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Ok, bunnies, lets be nice to our new friends... we don't want to have to eat our words now do we?
www.guristas.com
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