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Sabahl	Posted - 2003.06.08 23:18:00 - [1] So spill the beans. Where have peopel been finding these new BPs? Have the convoys been dropping them now or are the pirate cruisers finally giving them up? So far the only BPs I have seen were off NPC convoys before they stopped dropping them, and one Basic Mining Drone BP found in a Flotsam container (or something like that). Where have you been finding yours?
Sol Basso	Posted - 2003.06.09 15:43:00 - [2] I havent looted any, ever. So the certainly dont appear to drop off the bottom 3/4 ranks of pirates (which is all I can kill). I was under the impression thought that convoys still dropped them but that they made convoys harder to kill.....
vyperpit	Posted - 2003.06.11 11:19:00 - [3] i my self have not had any but two fo our corp members have had them drop one got a ship cargo scanner WOOHOO! and another got a ammo bp so they do drop but you do have to kill lots of pirates and do not expect them to be of any worth unless u are very, very lucky. ---- Fair Fighting Quote stolen from Waagaa Ktlehr who borrowed it from ??? "If you end up in a fair fight, you planned it wrong." (Ehm yeah, or CCP ****ed with the scanner again..)
Nootami	Posted - 2003.06.11 18:15:00 - [4] I managed to pick up an Antimatter S Original BP from a pirate drop. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.06.11 19:11:00 - [5] We have gang raped the hardest pirates we have been able to find and not one has ever dropped a bp or a copy of a bp. Even after days on end in the outer regions (50-60 jump trips one way on the edge of the eve universe) fighting large nullifier and aniahlator squads - not a single bp. Got some nice loot though and interesting sights to see. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Buttercup	Posted - 2003.06.11 20:58:00 - [6] can u kill convoys and not take a sec hit? hows it work with killing them? pillow fights and brownies
Sol Basso	Posted - 2003.06.12 08:47:00 - [7] Buttercup its probably easier to answer your question by explaining how it _used_ to work (I should point out that I never had the opportunity to try this but have been told how it worked). Prior to the 'fix' it was possible to create a new character and hunt transports with your starting equipment. While transports had high armour (usually industrial class ships) they either didnt fight back or didnt do a very good job of it and BP loot was apparently very common (if not guaranteed). The character _did_ take a security hit but since it was a starting character it was trivial to transfer the loot (usually to a corp hanger) delete the character and create another to repeat the process. (and people wonder why the beta players are so far ahead of the rest of us now...) My understanding is that the devs only made the transports tougher in the 'fix' (presumably they fight back much better) so you needed a resonably established character to pull it off, but left the loot unchanged - coupled with the unrelated recent changes to NPC police (which was done to protect newbies from player pirates in high sec systems) this practice is probably very dangerous now and may not even be worth trying unless you have a really high rating to absorb the hit (and dont mind getting pasted by the police) or wish to be an outlaw character. Edited by: Sol Basso on 12/06/2003 08:48:44
Random	Posted - 2003.06.12 11:02:00 - [8] in the first 2 weeks of eve relise u were able to take out conwoys in ur n00b ship, but u had 2 warp in and out 2 repear ur ship somtimes. U just drop a cargocontainer for a bookmark and use that 2 warp. But after ccp changed the conwoys its much harder, me and my frend used 2 punishers 2 do it ind it got somtimes colse 2 death. Sry about my english :) it sux
Miranda	Posted - 2003.06.12 11:14:00 - [9] Convoys do shoot back and have some nice guns mounted, they tend to hit for 50-60 damage every 10 seconds, but they have a limited range :}. You do not take an overall sec hit for pillageing a convoy but you do take a faction hit for the station that the convoy left. I wasted 3 industrials belong to a pirate faction and didnt take a hit to them but a big hit from the station they had left.
Booky	Posted - 2003.06.15 02:03:00 - [10] Since we are on the subject, I killed a NPC convoy ship yesterday. I took no hit to my Caldari faction, its still 10.0, but I took a -0.35 to the Caldari Constructions. Now how to I fix that? I don't kill convoys often, in fact that one is all I ahve done since beta, but if I want to in the future, how would I go about fixing it? Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.
Nanosoft	Posted - 2003.06.15 09:50:00 - [11] agent missions might help
Kerry	Posted - 2003.07.14 06:24:00 - [12] Now off the information I read from this thread... I attacked a convoy leaving some factions station I didn't know or care about. I did not lose any sec points from them but rather the Regions sovereignty (which was Amarr). But strangely I gained points from my own sovereignty (Gallente). I have yet to follow Eve's story line... but do Gallente hate Amarrians? As a Gallente should I care that I just dropped my Amarr sec rating from .40 to -1.34?
Saturn	Posted - 2003.07.14 15:39:00 - [13] To the original poster, the only blueprints that our corp ever found were from NPC convoys and of the BP's we found they were only S type ammo. Booky, our faction status with whatever company that owned the convoys, got progressively better each day that we didnt attack its property/ships. We figured the safty margin was 3 to 4 days to clear the slate for each convoy attack that we took part in. Attack more then 1 convoy per faction in less then 4 days and you risk not being able to dock at the station or worse be shot once in range of their sentry turrets. Convoys did and likely still do posess good defenses. Their range seemed short, around 1k per ship but the EM damage came quick once they started to fire. Shoot the guy up front and as soon as he is destroyed start shooting the next one. Time it right and all the canisters will end up right on top of each other and you can sit in one spot the whole time. One more rule of thumb we always followed was never to attack a convoy within less then 50k of a sentry turret. Turrets can tear up even the best Cruisers very quickly. Happy hunting and if you find a Titan or Station BP, hook me up with a copy! :) _________ "Our inmates are dedicated to producing the best license plates for your ships." -Saturn, Warden and CEO of Prison Corp
Paul Dubois	Posted - 2003.07.15 15:15:00 - [14] Just out of curiosity, if the cargo ship is carrying a bp does it show up as cargo if you scan the ship with a cargo scanner? :-)
Dominique Doolittle	Posted - 2003.07.15 16:13:00 - [15] It basically went like this: Originally, the BPs dropped off NPC convoys. Then convoys switched to dropping trade goods, and BPs dropped mainly off spawn containers. Then as of this patch CCP shuffled the BP drops to somewhere else again. As far as pirate dropping BPs go, personally, I have seen a few BPs drop off weak pirates in empire space, but never off strong pirates in the middle of nowhere. Go figure. ---------------- Dominique Doolittle Caldari Homemaker, Industrial Spy, System Hacker Security Rating: 9.99999999963e-005
Barret Davis	Posted - 2003.07.15 20:01:00 - [16] Must be nobody out there for them to pirate BPs off of... So, on hunting convoys, do you take a sec status hit? Does it depend on the sec status of whatever system you ambush them in? * * * Infernal pirates. Leave me!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.07.15 20:33:00 - [17] I thought ship/cargo scanners didn't work on NPC? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Saturn	Posted - 2003.07.15 20:46:00 - [18] There is a scanner that tells you exactly what the NPC convoy ship is carrying and it helps allot to decide which ship in the convoy to jump if any of them at all. Im at work but off of the top O' my head I believe its a "Speculative ship identifier" Doesnt ring with the cargo scanner name that one might expect but it does a nice job. This isnt or at least wasnt a rare item and drops from 2-4k pirates occasionaly. One thing to note about its use is its a good idea to scan each ship twice as sometimes it doesnt read everything that the ship is carrying. Not sure why this is. Im guessing that the contents do not spawn with this ship but only upon scan or destruction. Anyway, I try to get within 200-500 m and get my scan on for reliablilty. Good luck! _________ "Our inmates are dedicated to producing the best license plates for your ships." -Saturn, Warden and CEO of Prison Corp

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