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Sikiros Novaken	Posted - 2007.09.25 01:19:00 - [31] AFs are versital, tough, small ships. They are fair dps, fair in an anti-support role, fair tacklers, fair mission and ratting ships. The thing that gets most people is that 1)They are not cost effective, and 2) A really specialzed ship will probably do any given job better. For a lot of online gamers there is are only two digital vaules for something; "best" and "worthless". If you cant put it in category a it must be category b. Basically, if you like flying small ships they are an excellent all around frig. They are expensive for what they do, not not really optimal, but they can be used many ways. If you are a small ship enthusiast with a good income stream, give them a go.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.09.25 01:40:00 - [32] 0.0 ratting in enemy territory with a prototype cloak.
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.25 03:02:00 - [33] Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 25/09/2007 03:02:44 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/09/2007 23:11:12 Originally by: Opiate Anhydride Aaah, your all wrong blasting the AF class. I challenge any cruiser to take down my T2 fitted blarpy. It can nail drones in one salvo, forget them... Cruisers w/o missiles will never hit it. Cruisers with missiles do little damage. In short they kick ass for cost and I have taken down many a BC solo. AF's rock!! Location: Oyonata, you will be fighting a Rupture (with a generic fit I use), 10M prize for the winner. Mail me in-game to arrange for details - lost my last Rupture to a accident involving gate guns, a HAC and a Moa, but will have one ready tommorow Last time I fought an AF in a Rupture I was using something close to: High: 4x220mm 2xMed Nos Mid: 1x10mn MWD 1xWarp Disruptor 1xStasis Web Low: 1xSAR 1xDC 1x800mm RT 1xEANM 1xGyro Drones: 6xLight ECM t2 blaster Iskur /w t2 drones. It didn't break my shields before it popped. I was full t1 fit... That better be one fast kiting Blarpy to be able to fight a Rupture.
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.09.25 04:13:00 - [34] I used an Enyo for piracy for a loooong time. Killed cruisers in it, and even scored a couple of battlecruisers (one was a Cyclone ratting and I tanked his damage easily from heavy missiles, the other was a T2 AC-fitted Cyclone that I killed with a buddy of mine in a Thorax [my buddy didn't make it]). They're remarkably fun ships to fly, but whenever I go out in an assault frigate now I use a Ishkur. I didn't have the funds back then to throw on an Ishkur with nice stuff, so I settled for an even Enyo. ### I nearly finish carriers, and they nerf it. I nearly finish Amarr recons, and they make them useless. Vagabond pilots beware... I have bought Minmatar Cruiser.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.25 04:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: SYN nix Originally by: Mr Bodacious they make decent pirating ships. if by pirating i mean ganking t1 cruisers and below. :) so you are saying they CAN take down cruisers? yes they can Well flown cruisers? Uhh no _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.25 04:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Great Artista Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: SYN nix Originally by: Mr Bodacious they make decent pirating ships. if by pirating i mean ganking t1 cruisers and below. :) so you are saying they CAN take down cruisers? yes they can Well flown cruisers? Uhh no Exactly Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.09.25 05:22:00 - [37] the use of AF's has always been questionable. Just look at the yes/no replies on just this thread. They do need an all round buff, the most prominent that people have been screaming for for ages is to have their pointless resist bonus added to their base resists like the HAC's and CS's and then give them a real fourth bonus. If AF's had that extra bonus then the question of an AF v's Cruiser may just shift to been in the favour of AF's. Still I wonder what the reason for CCP's bloody mindedness on this subject, its been brought up many many times but no dev has even once replied as to why this t2 ship must have its fourth bonus wasted.
Minmatar Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.25 05:44:00 - [38] Remember how fun it is to fly your Rifter? Now a Stabber is a Rifter on steroids. A Jaguar/Wolf is a Rifter made with PREMIUM DUCT TAPE. Chooose wisely. ---My Unjacked Sig Space---Can't Touch This Does Hammer Slide--- A Veldspar dies every 2 minutes, Donate money to me to help fund my rightous cause to stop further Veldspar Massacres.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2007.09.25 05:54:00 - [39] they are a fun factor but a money sink too they have too much mass and are too slow and a properly fitted t1 cruiser kill AF very well. ________________________________________________________________ Somewhere in space...
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Nian Banks the use of AF's has always been questionable. Just look at the yes/no replies on just this thread. They do need an all round buff, the most prominent that people have been screaming for for ages is to have their pointless resist bonus added to their base resists like the HAC's and CS's and then give them a real fourth bonus. If AF's had that extra bonus then the question of an AF v's Cruiser may just shift to been in the favour of AF's. Still I wonder what the reason for CCP's bloody mindedness on this subject, its been brought up many many times but no dev has even once replied as to why this t2 ship must have its fourth bonus wasted. Yeah. Four bonuses and a mass decrease would make them generally more useful then they are now. In fact, the mass is bugging me the most now. I'm used to flying the Rifter a whole lot, and whenever I do jump in a Jaguar, the handling is appaling in comparison. However, nobody has bothered to respond so far.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:14:00 - [41] Assult frigates are excellent tacklers against larger ships like Battleships. Battleships struggle dealing damage against frigate sized vessels take this into consideration with an Assult ships fantastic tanking capability then you have a small cheap ship that can just sit there and take virtually any damage that a battleship can deal. You wont do much to a battleship but you can take its damage for a time. Are assult ships effective against cruisers? Yes. This was never their job but you certainly can take down well flown cruisers in an assult frigate. Cruisers will do a fair amount of damage to you but you will tank that damage very well. www.eve-players.com
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:16:00 - [42] They're for fun, nothing more. Interceptors tackle better. T1 frigs are better for throwaway. AF's are small and hence lack DPS and real tanking, fat in terms of sig radius, and comparatively expensive. Like I said....fun. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Heretic Army Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.25 08:29:00 - [43] They're really good at making me wonder why they're the only t2 ships without a real 4th bonus... They're also fun to fly. I heart my Vengeance. --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it. Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.25 10:19:00 - [44] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/09/2007 10:20:46 Originally by: ViolenTUK Assult frigates are excellent tacklers against larger ships like Battleships. Battleships struggle dealing damage against frigate sized vessels take this into consideration with an Assult ships fantastic tanking capability then you have a small cheap ship that can just sit there and take virtually any damage that a battleship can deal. You wont do much to a battleship but you can take its damage for a time. You're better off using an interceptor for tackling. MWD, hang at 20+ km range and distrupt while the cavalry arrives. Originally by: ViolenTUK Are assult ships effective against cruisers? Yes. This was never their job but you certainly can take down well flown cruisers in an assult frigate. The offer above extends to you as well, since the guy above didn't mail me yet. Originally by: ViolenTUK Cruisers will do a fair amount of damage to you but you will tank that damage very well. See, that's where you make your mistake. There is no way to tank the damage you will recieve from a good gun cruiser in a AF. You will either kite or die, and AFs don't really have the speed / agility to do that properly. When you're attacking cruisers/BCs, you're relying on them having a bad fit or poor pilot. The module which will slaughter you in the end is the web. To add insult to injury, you're also slower then a Cruiser, unless you're flying the Jaguar. Originally by: Bardi MecAuldnis They're really good at making me wonder why they're the only t2 ships without a real 4th bonus... They're also fun to fly. I heart my Vengeance. I really, really don't understand the lack of the fourth bonus compared to HACs, especially since AFs and HACs are in the same tree and all that. Also, the mass progression is silly - HACs are not heavy and lumbering compared to cruisers, and AFs, for some reason, are?
Ruciza	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:31:00 - [45] AFs are good against destroyers, for example. Something which Interceptors are not so good against. Or long range battlecruisers and cruisers. You can't really expect them to go against ships which have ten times as much powergrid and which are set up to kill them. Other than that, it's a multiplayer game. Once you have more that one, things begin to look differently. To understand what AFs can do, you need to keep in mind the overall balance. You can't talk about AFs without talking about battlecruisers or battleships or interceptors or destroyers. That is why you don't get an answer from CCP.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:18:00 - [46] They can take down cruisers, I've seen them do it. I've also been stuck fighting one alone in my Drake, and found that neither of us had any chance of taking the other out unless someone showed up to web him for me (had a mwd, of all things). Mostly, they're fun small ships to fly if you're not into the ZOMGWTFZOOM interceptor combat. Sentry guns do limit their usefulness outside of 0.0 outside of wardecs, though. Personally I'd rather spend the money on an Inty, they seem to be a lot more survivable in practice.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:30:00 - [47] Edited by: ViolenTUK on 25/09/2007 13:31:56 Originally by: Cpt Branko You're better off using an interceptor for tackling. MWD, hang at 20+ km range and disrupt while the cavalry arrives. I agree with you completely. The point I was waking was that Assault Frigates are good tacklers. I didnÆt say they were the best and I never inferred that. Originally by: Cpt Branko See, that's where you make your mistake. There is no way to tank the damage you will receive from a good gun cruiser in an AF. You will either kite or die, and AFs don't really have the speed / agility to do that properly. I didnÆt make a mistake. Typically an Assault frigate will tank the damage from a cruiser yes I have done this myself in the past. I will admit to you that a well-gunned cruiser will more than likely break an Assaults Frigates tank. I have seen on many occasions Assault Frigates tank cruisers effectively and in light of this I will never believe that Assault Frigates are in anyway useless against cruisers. I know you werenÆt trying to convey that. www.eve-players.com
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:32:00 - [48] Originally by: SYN nix Originally by: Mr Bodacious they make decent pirating ships. if by pirating i mean ganking t1 cruisers and below. :) so you are saying they CAN take down cruisers? They can take down Bellicoses with 4 Tpaiters if they try hard. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
RavenShadow1916	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:33:00 - [49] Guys im an af fan....and if not in bc or bs in pvp its an af im in. In large ops with enemy ew ships about 2/3 af's working together can take down ew cruisers in about 30 sec's....they so busy jamming bc and bs and b4 they can react to you they are dead. Plus an jag is a great tackler for bc and bs. You have the hitpoints to hang on till the gang turn up even if you are not doing to much damage. I have flown ceptors and the af is far better overall.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:35:00 - [50] Speaking seriously the only USe if found for them is webing and killing fighters during abig fight while fiting an AB ( to keep signature low ) If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: ViolenTUK Cruisers will do a fair amount of damage to you but you will tank that damage very well. See, that's where you make your mistake. There is no way to tank the damage you will recieve from a good gun cruiser in a AF. You will either kite or die, and AFs don't really have the speed / agility to do that properly. Either you are referring to some heavy duty T2 Cruiser aka HAC or you never fought T1 Crusier vs AF. We can gladly meet in Branch/Tenal/Venal any day. In empire its gotta be a problem to meet me, simply as I seldomly go there - but will gladly try to ;) . AF Guide (old, to be updated)
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.25 19:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Hydrogen Either you are referring to some heavy duty T2 Cruiser aka HAC or you never fought T1 Crusier vs AF. Yes, I have. Cruisers with T1/named fits melt most AFs preety easily, as long as we're talking solo fights. T2-fit cruisers are devastating. Originally by: Hydrogen We can gladly meet in Branch/Tenal/Venal any day. In empire its gotta be a problem to meet me, simply as I seldomly go there - but will gladly try to ;) . Same thing applies as above
Diomidis	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:26:00 - [53] Some ppl try to prove what? That a T2 frig cannot beat an experienced pilot of a higher class, more expensive fitted ship? Well...you are right... Flying an AF doesn't mean you "own" Cruisers and BCs. It doesn't mean that you are the ultimate tackler, nor the best tanker... But the mix of speed tanking, "excellent-for-frig" resistances and a respectable DPS capability that outperforms most frig setups make up for a good compromise. Ceptors are better tacklers, reach safer speeds. But cannot deal as much damage like doing their thing. No ship is "the best"... Just some of them are better for a certain role, and AFs are good, resilient and fast dmg dealers in a large gang or versatile all-arounders in 2-3 ppl gangs for pirating and general fun against unsuspecting pilots that more likely are going to underestimate you for a frig piloting noob until its too late...you can pown many noob pilots that urged to a Cruiser or BC class ship without the proper supporting skills in a 2 man gang. You are not in the ultimate pown mobile, and you cannot expect to do what a HAS does with a ship costing less than the 1/10th including the average T2 setup.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:34:00 - [54] They make good complex tanks, the rest is meh Well... the wolf is nice-ish for soloing.
iiOs Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.25 20:40:00 - [55] some of them looks nice.--- ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Rudy Metallo The Bastards	Posted - 2007.09.25 21:40:00 - [56] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 25/09/2007 21:44:39 A good AF pilot can take out most t1 cruisers, even with full t2 fits and competent pilots. A very good one can kill some tier 1 BC's on a good day. A couple can take a BS. Actually very useful ships, you just need to know your ass from your elbows when you fly them. Most people are like "YAI! BIGGER = BETTER" but I tend to disagree, mostly because a lot of those people have never gone near AFs. I've pilotted them for a majority of fly time, and I'll tell you they are not obsolete or useless. Say what?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.25 22:05:00 - [57] the problem with the Afrigs is not that they are bad (bar the inexistence of a real 4th bouns AND bad agility), but the fact that a T1 cruiser can do the same job for less isk. throwing a good 4th bonus, a role bonus and giving a better agility to thos things will go a looooooong way to improve this class. --- planetary interaction idea!
Mictain Orgasie Ancient Ghosts	Posted - 2007.09.26 04:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 25/09/2007 21:44:39 A good AF pilot can take out most t1 cruisers, even with full t2 fits and competent pilots. A very good one can kill some tier 1 BC's on a good day. A couple can take a BS. Actually very useful ships, you just need to know your ass from your elbows when you fly them. Most people are like "YAI! BIGGER = BETTER" but I tend to disagree, mostly because a lot of those people have never gone near AFs. I've pilotted them for a majority of fly time, and I'll tell you they are not obsolete or useless. right
Olivin Gallente Aquarium	Posted - 2007.09.26 07:54:00 - [59] Originally by: SYN nix well other than taking down other frigates and being able to sometimes take down intys, what are AF good against? (i'm not talking about lvl 3/4 mishers, im not interested in pve right now). can they go against cruisers? or anything bigger? can they even deal out enough damage to take them down? AF's a cool pwnmobiles for solo pirates and skirmish gangs. Unfortunately, SP and skills needed to make them work are completely insane. Since it's a frigate, fitting it correctly requires all relevant skills pretty much maxed (with only a 20-30% of that you will be able to be a local hero in the Rax ). And yeah, you will be able to kill most of T1 cruisers, unless they speficially setup against AF. ---------------------------- We¦re not lost. We¦re locationally challenged.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.26 10:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Olivin AF's a cool pwnmobiles for solo pirates LOL! Originally by: Olivin and skirmish gangs. So are T1 frigs, and you get more actual skrimish, and as long as you got one good kill, the OP was sucessfull even if you lose a frig or two. Basically, if you want a fast operation, T1 frigs are both faster and more cost-effective. Originally by: Olivin And yeah, you will be able to kill most of T1 cruisers, unless they speficially setup against AF. What classifies as a 'specifically setup against AF'?

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