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Miss Happy	Posted - 2007.09.26 20:50:00 - [1] Yes you have it folks, after several weeks, including the carebear skill book tactic of fleeing to an alliance and then being booted by its inept ceo, the uber-carebears of Gallente space - EMP industries have finally realised the futility of their position. After taking 50 losses for no kills and going from 180 members at start of war down to 70 at the end, they finally coughed up the surrender fee. Now, I'm not going to divulge the actual amount, but let me just say it was a very substantial 9 figure sum. This, in addition to the billions they lost in ships and mods/implants will teach these ISK farmers that you can't smack talk, scam and thief ad hoc without suffering the reprecussions. They should just thank their lucky stars we declined to finish off their POS when we knocked it into reinforced mode. One of the positive outcomes of this incident, in addition to teaching noob carebears a darn good lesson, was the removal of EMPs **poor CEO. This guy scammed his own corp members by telling them it cost 1 billion isk for their corp to join the Crimson Alliance, when any experienced eve player knows that this fee only applies to creating a new alliance. I shudder to think how much money he made from conning the hapless collection of noobs that make up the bulk of his corp. With our campaign against the EMPers over and done with, our full attention now returns to Tigerfish Torpedo and his ragtag Crimson Alliance and their splinter corps. This alliance started the war with 500 members. Their numbers now stand at a mere 190, of which many are the usual carebear-industrial type cannon fodder Tigerfish Torpedo, instead of providing competent leadership, you have run your alliance into the dirt, even many of your disaffected members talk to me behind your back. The most honorable thing you could do now would be to stand down as CEO and the new leadership to discuss our surrender terms. Oh, almost forgot, this is to the Cap Booster thief, Ryoukoboi who started the ** storm - YOU CAN RUN, HIDE, JUMP CORP, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW YOU, AND ANY CORP THAT HARBOURS YOU WILL BE DUE A VISIT FROM US.
Voodoo'sMother	Posted - 2007.09.26 20:55:00 - [2] Yawn --------------------------------------------------- Yeah I typo- So what.
Marcathonas Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:06:00 - [3] You aren't nexa :( I want nexa to post the uberstory on eve-pirate already :(
Jezala Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:16:00 - [4] sniff proud of you guys.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:20:00 - [5] Applause Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:37:00 - [6] This person is not related to TRAPS at all. You guys know my writing style on Eve-Pirate. This is a weak attempt at slandering me and my corp. Personally I think it's someone within the Crimson alliance or EMP doing this. Obviously I cannot prove anything but we are all allowed our opinions. Actually after rereading it, I think it is someone who defected from EMP and joined Crimson as the part about how much the EMP CEO paid Tigerfish the Crimson alliance CEO was discussed on EMP forums and some of the verbage here is identical to there. I would urge the EMP forum mods to purge membership of any former EMP members, especially the ones who defected from EMP over to Crimson alliance. I would also cease any sharing of your personal intel with those people as well. I am still working on my story for Eve-Pirate. It's close to being complete. I might have it done and posted tonight. This crap attention blurbage here has nothing to do with me or my corp. Yes, EMP did pay. Yes we will continue to fight Crimson alliance. Yes we will also declare war against their various alt and splinter corporations. As far as EMP go, they are a good corp at heart who just got too big too fast and failed to comprehend that the actions of one player can affect the entire corp. Hopefully they also learned that just because someone plays a pirate it doesn't mean they lie, cheat and scam and they should be treated with the same respect that you expect to be treated with.
Viglen Grindahvalur	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:37:00 - [7] hmm they seem to be worn out! Previous slaughter
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Viglen hmm they seem to be worn out! Previous slaughter Yeah apparently they had a large amount of wars prior to TRAPS decing them. I am not sure of the reasons behind the other wars, but hopefully with the recent changes within EMP they can build a better corp this time around.
Viglen Grindahvalur	Posted - 2007.09.26 21:44:00 - [9] Agreed, I hope they learn from all this and get lucky enough to get a decent commander in theyr corp. Then they might actually become what they are striving to be
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.26 23:01:00 - [10] Well if the OP is connected to EMP and tries to stir this much then no wonder they ended up with so many wars against them. It's a shame more pod pilots aren't a bit more polite. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.26 23:09:00 - [11] My question is: how does a corp get so big with crap leadership/leaders.??? Someone was doing something right or the corp would or died out before any war. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.26 23:24:00 - [12] Originally by: hellsknights My question is: how does a corp get so big with crap leadership/leaders.??? Someone was doing something right or the corp would or died out before any war. All you need to do is spam local and the recruiment channel and you will have tons of players. Especially when you advertise that you're based in low sec with a POS etc. Lots of those players don't give a crap about the corp direction, they just want a group of people to hang with.
Exteerminator	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:37:00 - [13] wow, do many pirate corps in eve make a profit, taking into account their losses vs ransom money paid?
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:23:00 - [14] Fairly sure Miss Happy is not one of the CRMSN alts, why ? becuase she had an argument with one of our alts in the last thread
Jirai Tew'rist Caldari Tew'rist Funds Unlimited	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:30:00 - [15] Who cares, alts are made to be fun. Look at the potential fun Miss Happy is having. Definately could have picked a better name. Kill them none the less. ----- =/ sig got nerfed... Oh well, no time to make another uber one...
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:47:00 - [16] I don't think TRAPS would go around declaring that corps pay up. It's bad for business, surely.
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:37:00 - [17] Lemme get this straight... You started this over CAP BOOSTERS!? WTF? Dude, empire must be more boring than I thought. P.S. - If you're hard up for Cap Boosters, I can hook you up.
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:55:00 - [18] Originally by: hellsknights My question is: how does a corp get so big with crap leadership/leaders.??? Someone was doing something right or the corp would or died out before any war. Having been a member of EMP Industries, (And having left because of the 'join an alliance..then leave'em high and dry when it gets too tough (privateers declare war on alliance)' tactic. Really left a bad taste in my mouth.) They get big because they rather indiscriminately recruit. No real quality control on the way in. The ceo has friends in various low-sec pockets that could be depended on for some level of protection. (In fact, at some point they were considered 'our' miners and we would helpfully dec-back corps who dec'd them.) Which lets them mine in low-sec with a much higher sense of security and freedom from most ore thieves. Very attractive from a starter-player point of view. But after a few times of this, it got really...really tired. They might get support from their former friends if it were entirely convenient. But I don't think most of 'em would enjoin a war anymore. (That, and if I look over the corporate website, there is a post I put together. I pleaded..begged...demanded.. that everyone keep their mouth shut in local, simply because they're not built for fighting. But I also added 'okay, we're at war...what do we do now' and they can't even bother to follow the basic fitting, fly cheap, etc etc etc advice.) I hate to say it, but I'm really surprised they are still going as an entity. It actually pains me to watch it unfold. --
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Zedrik Cayne They get big because they rather indiscriminately recruit. No real quality control on the way in. The ceo has friends in various low-sec pockets that could be depended on for some level of protection. (In fact, at some point they were considered 'our' miners and we would helpfully dec-back corps who dec'd them.) Which lets them mine in low-sec with a much higher sense of security and freedom from most ore thieves. Very attractive from a starter-player point of view. I happened to stumble on one of them some time ago in synd, when we still had them as blueish due to, well, all that stuff back then. What I concluded from the conversation was that nobody wanted to fight even in cheap ships, kept scattering around, and that was wrecking havoc on the morale of the few guys that actually knew what they were doing. I guess that a too lenient recruiting policy and monitoring lets the scum filter through, driving away the good guys, and resulting in even worse scum (and no, I'm not referring to yarrs here:)
Exteerminator	Posted - 2007.09.27 19:15:00 - [20] Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:24:51 Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:22:37 Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:21:15 Totally agree with what Zedrik Cayne said. My main was in EMP until after the last war with br4ins ended.I'm posting with alt as I don't want to stike up a flame war here. Definitely no quality control then anyway. Some of the better members (and there were and still are some good guys in EMP afaik) attempted to organise combat gangs based around some of the older (in terms of SP) members in the heavier hitting ships, with the newer members fitting out cheap T1 frigates with basic stuff for tackling and the like. However, anytime an attempt was made to organise this, there would be complete silence from about two thirds of the members logged on. In many cases even those who volunteered to participate demanded to be given free ships, and others woudln't even train up the basic combat skills to enable them to fly a tackler at all. There was a constant member turnover most of the time I was in corp, many of the more promising seeing sense imho and moving on, as each week a new group of peeps on trial accounts (most likely) would invade corp chat channel. In several cases we had chars less than a month old flying navy megathrons!! In fact one or two hinted they were ISK buyers. I had a look at viglens link to brains killboards there, didnt realise the masssive losses they inflicted, makes traps conflict seem minor in comparison ;) no offense intended nexa. btw I think the original poster referring to the 180 man corp is misleading people a little. When I was in the corp the large no of members statistically didn't translate to even 10% of that amount online at any one time. As I said, some many noobs were being accepted without any questions being asked, a lot of these guys were on trial accounts and after a short time became permanently inactive. Another example of poor corp admin imho, not clearing out the deadweight regularly. I think maxcorps simply liked looking at hits corp info screen and seeing 180 members. Its a poor indictment of the corp - many of the miners were even afraid of highsec belt rats and preferred to remain in 1.0 and 0.9 systems - made it all the easier for brains to kill em, while the smarter amongst us headed out to low sec.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.27 21:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Exteerminator Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:24:51 Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:22:37 Edited by: Exteerminator on 27/09/2007 19:21:15 , makes traps conflict seem minor in comparison ;) no offense intended nexa. None taken. I was quite surprised myself at how many kills they racked up. Though I would like to point out we had 49 kills against EMP with 0 losses. All joking aside, those are the exact reasons corps that recruit without a decent screening have problems in the long run. Out of the 180 member list, they usually had about 10% of that online at any given time. I will have my actual stories posted tonight on Eve-Pirate. It should be interesting to see what people think once they read it all.
ollobrains Mission Invasion Squad	Posted - 2007.09.27 21:29:00 - [22] actually most of these wars are started when pirates get alts into fast growth carebear corps - play up blame the corp, their main corps war dec demanding large fees, sure its fun but really the whole minor issue , pilots affecting their corp with ones actions, usually a lack of war decs on other merc-pirate corps. Use of alts to spam COAD forums etc , most of these alt corps and alts are merc related, why they just dont come out and say we are decing war a) youre industrial b) u got minimal pvp forces c) we want large extortion so our mains can have more isk d) youre mods are ours thanks really gets me wondering but meh just go to the dark side its all good Group mission invasions
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.09.27 22:10:00 - [23] I have no idea if this topic thread was started by a TRAPS alt or not. Frankly, I'm passed caring. Initially, the 'we hate Tiger' club was something that intrigued me, now I just expect the worst, and am usually pleasantly surprised. Officially, we're at 161, not 190, and I'll be axing more members/corps within the next week. Also, officially, we will never, ever, surrender this war. Speaking for myself alone; I have 13 kills on the TRAPS pilots, and have suffered 0 losses. The war will continue until I can't personally fight any longer, or afford ships with which to do so. Also, as an additional point, I would urge any enemy, who has been contacted by a CRMSN pilot to forward the chat logs to me, and I will remove them from the alliance. Weakness is something I will not tollerate. Tiger.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.27 22:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo I have no idea if this topic thread was started by a TRAPS alt or not. Frankly, I'm passed caring. Initially, the 'we hate Tiger' club was something that intrigued me, now I just expect the worst, and am usually pleasantly surprised. Officially, we're at 161, not 190, and I'll be axing more members/corps within the next week. Also, officially, we will never, ever, surrender this war. Speaking for myself alone; I have 13 kills on the TRAPS pilots, and have suffered 0 losses. The war will continue until I can't personally fight any longer, or afford ships with which to do so. Also, as an additional point, I would urge any enemy, who has been contacted by a CRMSN pilot to forward the chat logs to me, and I will remove them from the alliance. Weakness is something I will not tollerate. Tiger. They were referring to EMP's numbers Tiger, not yours. Least I dont think they were. EMP had 180 members when I dec'd them. So I think that's where it came from. Glad to see you've only been killed once since your killboard has been up. Impressive, I will give you that.
Meat Missle The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.28 01:57:00 - [25] I will personally vouch that this Miss Happy person is no alt of Nexa's.
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.28 03:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Nexa Necis Glad to see you've only been killed once since your killboard has been up. Impressive, I will give you that. First Steely Dan and then this subtlety? I think I'm gonna have to start reading someone on eve-pirate. You're quickly racking up points on my awesome meter. --
ollobrains Mission Invasion Squad	Posted - 2007.09.28 06:43:00 - [27] watching this might be worth a war dec Group mission invasions
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.09.28 07:55:00 - [28] Edited by: Leora Nomen on 28/09/2007 07:56:41 Originally by: hellsknights My question is: how does a corp get so big with crap leadership/leaders.??? Someone was doing something right or the corp would or died out before any war. Not really. All you need is to establish a social network, talk with each other in corp chat and on TS/Vent. People who first join get lured by promises of riches - low sec, 0.0, POS, rats bigger than a cruiser you can fly, etc. After that they get established in the social network of players that already exists in place, make friends, and don't want to leave anywhere from that which they are familiar with. It seems to be very inconvenient to them. Other people see some kind of benefits in crap corps. Yeah, the CEO and leadership sucks but they get some other perks with membership that in their eyes make up for it. Like not having to do anything or be ordered around - they can just go around and do their own thing. guide to game time codes
Tenacious Kitty	Posted - 2007.09.28 19:25:00 - [29] Was wondering when this weeks Noob Empire war pointless drama thread was going to appear.....well it's making me laugh anyway One question tho thar Nexa, you say that you will declare war on any that leave and join another corp? Will you do this even if they join BoB or Goonswarm? TK
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.09.28 20:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Tenacious Kitty Was wondering when this weeks Noob Empire war pointless drama thread was going to appear.....well it's making me laugh anyway One question tho thar Nexa, you say that you will declare war on any that leave and join another corp? Will you do this even if they join BoB or Goonswarm? TK Honestly it depends on several factors. If it's the main person we were originally chasing, yes we would dec BoB/Goons. The other determining factor would be the corp wallet size at the time. So if BoB has 10 wars against them, I am not sure it would be worth it to dec if it's going to cost us 500mil for a week. Again, it just depends on the situation. I've said in the past, we're not afraid to lose, and we lose quite often. If it was just another person who was in the corp and they didn't really get into the war or the cause of the war, then probably not. We had one war against a guy who called us h_o_m_o_s for war decing and killing him. So when he jumped ship, we followed. Then his new corp pulled the same smack talking and BS stuff like that so we kept them dec'd even though the original pilot we were chasing had left their corp. Of course if anyone wants to pay the fees for us to dec alliances, I would dec them a la' Privateers.

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