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Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:04:00 - [1] Well, I wrote out a whole goddamn post, and Eve forums decided to eat it. So basically my question is, how does the Deimos perform relative to the other HAC's. I never see them around, is there a reason? Also, I'm not a big gallente player, so what would the typical fit be (typical pvp mids with guns in high and tank +dmg +speed mods in low?) -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:07:00 - [2] great close range firepower support in small gangs. not that good solo, but shines in gangs. --- planetary interaction idea!
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:15:00 - [3] Yup, its a great gang support ship. But it canot really solo consistantly :(. I love the thing tho. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:16:00 - [4] Why would you say it's not the best solo ship? Due to being held back by range and it might run into something it can't handle? Without implants or gistii mods or anything, what kind of speed can you get it up to? -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Koryvarn on 27/09/2007 17:18:39 It's a gank ship really. From what I've seen, it tends to get called primary before the other HACS, but it's still pretty good. Something like: Highs: 5 x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium Tapered Capacitor Infusion I Lows: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Rigs: Anti-Explosive Pump I Ancillary Current Router I Over 640 dps with T2 hammerheads and faction ammo. Tanks a fair bit with 70/75/87/74 resists and a dual rep tank. Can swap a MFS with a DC2 if you want more tank (why would you want to?). Not managed to fit 2 Tech 2 MAR's and keep the gank factor up. EDIT: Originally by: Marcus Druallis Why would you say it's not the best solo ship? Due to being held back by range and it might run into something it can't handle? Without implants or gistii mods or anything, what kind of speed can you get it up to? It dies fast, and is very vulnerable to webs. If you get webbed, they run run around you in circles until you die.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Koryvarn Edited by: Koryvarn on 27/09/2007 17:18:39 It's a gank ship really. From what I've seen, it tends to get called primary before the other HACS, but it's still pretty good. Something like: Highs: 5 x Heavy Ion Blaster II Mids: Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium Tapered Capacitor Infusion I Lows: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Rigs: Anti-Explosive Pump I Ancillary Current Router I Over 640 dps with T2 hammerheads and faction ammo. Tanks a fair bit with 70/75/87/74 resists and a dual rep tank. Can swap a MFS with a DC2 if you want more tank (why would you want to?). Not managed to fit 2 Tech 2 MAR's and keep the gank factor up. EDIT: Originally by: Marcus Druallis Why would you say it's not the best solo ship? Due to being held back by range and it might run into something it can't handle? Without implants or gistii mods or anything, what kind of speed can you get it up to? It dies fast, and is very vulnerable to webs. If you get webbed, they run run around you in circles until you die. Hmmm, is the cap booster an absolute necessity? I mean, I've flown the enyo alot, and a web was absolutely necessary (due to small blasters range). I guess the problem doesnt exist with larger guns? -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Jasai Kameron Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Jasai Kameron on 27/09/2007 17:32:56 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Hmmm, is the cap booster an absolute necessity? I mean, I've flown the enyo alot, and a web was absolutely necessary (due to small blasters range). I guess the problem doesnt exist with larger guns? There's no way he can run dual MAR, Mwd bursts and guns without the cap boooter. If I was in a gang I'd be tempted to passive tank the Deimos. Assuming I can be remote repped after the battles over, I wouldn't fit any armor reps at all. I'm no expert, but here's a setup I might go with: 1 x DC II 1 x EAN II 1 x Energised Reactive Membrane II 1 x 800mm Rolled Tungsten Plate 2 x Mag Stab 1 x stasis web II 1 x faint warp prohibitor 1 x YT8 MwD 5 x Ion IIs 1 x Mediums Diminishing Nosf 1 x Ancillary Current Router I 1 x Trimark I 74.5, 79.3, 89.6, 68.2 on 7965 of armor. 688 dps w/ void and drones. If you don't want to fit rigs, downgrade the Medium Nosf to a small.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:50:00 - [8] ECM bursts? Where do you see that? -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Marcus Druallis I never see them around, is there a reason? Also, I'm not a big gallente player, so what would the typical fit be (typical pvp mids with guns in high and tank +dmg +speed mods in low?) The reason you don't see them around much lately is because they're a close range dps machine. Everything is dampener heavy and ranged heavy these days. In a ship like this you'll find yourself webbed and outside blaster range more often than not. And since the capacitor on this thing is sensitive at best...trying to run a decent tank usually requires a substantial isk investment into modules and rigs. This ship is best suited as a small gang support ship...maybe paired with a gallente or minmatar recon to make it effective in a sub-five-man gang. Otherwise it's a rather risky ship to fight solo with...though with a set of ecm drones you might be able to thwart people webbing you fairly easily. For setups I would suggest the ship setups index...Deimos. --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 17:59:00 - [10] Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 27/09/2007 17:59:48 Yeah, I'd probably mostly run this thing in like 6-7 man gangs. Damping this ship won't really do much, since its already up close and personal, no? EDIT: Also, you see plethoras of Vagabonds, and they are essentially close range... -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Hmmm, is the cap booster an absolute necessity? I mean, I've flown the enyo alot, and a web was absolutely necessary (due to small blasters range). I guess the problem doesnt exist with larger guns? You pretty much cap out really quickly in a deimos when running mwd + reppers + guns. The idea of the above setup is someone else web tackling. The dual reps is there to keep you alive long enough to unload some hurt, or alternatively, get away.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Shozo Originally by: Marcus Druallis I never see them around, is there a reason? Also, I'm not a big gallente player, so what would the typical fit be (typical pvp mids with guns in high and tank +dmg +speed mods in low?) The reason you don't see them around much lately is because they're a close range dps machine. Everything is dampener heavy and ranged heavy these days. In a ship like this you'll find yourself webbed and outside blaster range more often than not. And since the capacitor on this thing is sensitive at best...trying to run a decent tank usually requires a substantial isk investment into modules and rigs. This ship is best suited as a small gang support ship...maybe paired with a gallente or minmatar recon to make it effective in a sub-five-man gang. Otherwise it's a rather risky ship to fight solo with...though with a set of ecm drones you might be able to thwart people webbing you fairly easily. For setups I would suggest the ship setups index...Deimos. Tbh tho, those setups are so out of date man. Thanks though for the idea. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 27/09/2007 17:59:48 Yeah, I'd probably mostly run this thing in like 6-7 man gangs. Damping this ship won't really do much, since its already up close and personal, no? EDIT: Also, you see plethoras of Vagabonds, and they are essentially close range... I mean in that dampeners are the new black...not that you'll be damped. But, if you were webbed by a ship with an MWD and you were damped without a sensor booster you can easily be unable to do anything. Vagabonds are so useful because of the speed...they have most times no tank fitted in favor of pure speed mods and the fall-off auto-cannons/artillery really benefit them as well. Deimos is a heavy close range ship with a delicate capacitor as its weakness...something required for all modules on the ship...where as vagabond has the benefit of no cap need for guns. Basically, I was meaning that you could easily be stopped cold by a ship equipped with a web and mwd...especially if they have a gang to support them but, then in that situation you probably would too and at that point it's not just about one ship...heh. --
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.09.27 18:17:00 - [14] Edited by: Shozo on 27/09/2007 18:18:15 Edited by: Shozo on 27/09/2007 18:17:38 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Tbh tho, those setups are so out of date man. Thanks though for the idea. Not really anymore...post-nos nerf makes some of the setups viable again. Personally, I use a variant of this setup here. My setup...if I remember correctly... High: 5x Medium Tech2 Ion Blasters 1x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Mids: 1x Shadow Serpentis 10mn MWD 1x Tech2 Warp Disruptor(might be scram...can't remember) 1x Fleeting Web(90%) Lows: 1x 'Meditation' Medium Armor Repairer 1x DCU II 1x Tech2 Energized Reactive Plating 1x 400mm Rolled Tungsten Plate 2x Tech2 MFS (Shadow Serpentis MFS if you can afford it) Rigs: 2x Armor Repper Amount(I think...can't remember exactly) --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.27 22:25:00 - [15] Are webbing drones dependable? What would 5 of them do? Since then I can drop the web and fit the booster. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.09.27 22:50:00 - [16] Web drones only come in the flavour "Berserker SW-900". No Warrior SW-300 / Valkyrie SW-600 in game atm. So 2 would be max on a Deimos. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.28 07:19:00 - [17] Originally by: El'essar Viocragh Web drones only come in the flavour "Berserker SW-900". No Warrior SW-300 / Valkyrie SW-600 in game atm. So 2 would be max on a Deimos. Well that's ***, NERF TITANS!!11elevnty haha -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:26:00 - [18] ECM drones are your freinds
Rudy Metallo The Bastards	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four ECM drones are your freinds This. And personally, I think the guy just before the post that shozo sited is the best. That is, 5x Heavy Nuetron II (80xCNAM/Null) 1x x5 Web 1x j5 Warp Dis (or faction) 1x 10mn MWD II 1x MAR II 1x EANM II 1x N-type Explosive (or t2 if you want) 3x MFS II (Or Shadow Serp.) Rigs: 2x Capacitor Control Circuit Drones: 5x Valk II/HH II/Vespa EC-600s (<my personal favorite) Basic theory behind this setup: 1. Activate MWD 2. Scram + Web 3. f1, f2, f3... 4. ????? 5. PROFIT! Things deals out ungodly DPS. Say what?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four ECM drones are your freinds oh yeah. 5 EC-600's can ruin anyone's day --- planetary interaction idea!
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four ECM drones are your freinds This. And personally, I think the guy just before the post that shozo sited is the best. That is, 5x Heavy Nuetron II (80xCNAM/Null) 1x x5 Web 1x j5 Warp Dis (or faction) 1x 10mn MWD II 1x MAR II 1x EANM II 1x N-type Explosive (or t2 if you want) 3x MFS II (Or Shadow Serp.) Rigs: 2x Capacitor Control Circuit Drones: 5x Valk II/HH II/Vespa EC-600s (<my personal favorite) Basic theory behind this setup: 1. Activate MWD 2. Scram + Web 3. f1, f2, f3... 4. ????? 5. PROFIT! Things deals out ungodly DPS. Doesnt fit without a 5% powergrid implant. And i would go for cap extending rigs. -- Zuba
Zana Kito	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:20:00 - [22] A neutron gank thorax with 5 EC-600 drones performs well, for 1/10th of the price. :D Maybe if i had billions i would consider a deimos.. otherwise nano vagas, ishtars etc are better isk spent since they can pick their fights at will.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.28 13:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Zana Kito A neutron gank thorax with 5 EC-600 drones performs well, for 1/10th of the price. :D Maybe if i had billions i would consider a deimos.. otherwise nano vagas, ishtars etc are better isk spent since they can pick their fights at will. but you're missing the point. a couple of deimos shovelin' faction AM on you = cool factor --- planetary interaction idea!
Borasao	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Borasao on 28/09/2007 14:26:04 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Zana Kito A neutron gank thorax with 5 EC-600 drones performs well, for 1/10th of the price. :D Maybe if i had billions i would consider a deimos.. otherwise nano vagas, ishtars etc are better isk spent since they can pick their fights at will. but you're missing the point. a couple of deimos shovelin' faction AM on you = cool factor Only for a few seconds, though, then you have to find a new target :p
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.28 20:15:00 - [25] But yeah, tbh, I'm here to have fun, not be the most "uberest" pilot in Eve. While I know a vaga could prob do the job better, I'm here to have some ****s and giggles. Also, this ship will prob be mostly anti-gank squad dps in defending home region, so it'll be gang work. Maybe some pipework but idk. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
joshmorris Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.28 20:20:00 - [26] Deimos is good man, try teh neutrons with ecm drones before nerf, Can solo stuff well Amazing in gangs so much firepower. Man please change the arty sound from the pathetic but classic pew to something more like "chung chunk" I want meaty arty.
CherniyVolk	Posted - 2007.09.28 20:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Koryvarn Edited by: Koryvarn on 27/09/2007 17:18:39 It's a gank ship really. From what I've seen, it tends to get called primary before the other HACS, but it's still pretty good. Yes, this is true unfortunately. 9 times out of 10, the Deimos will be called primary. Despite the claims that it sucks, when the ball drops it's one of the last ships we want near us in any battle. It is a wild card that given it's DPS alone, can make or break a victory. This is why, I often enjoy Deimos roaming gangs. Three or four Deimoses, an Interdictor and maybe an Interceptor or two... loads of fun to be had for sure. You have the numbers to engage gangs, the agility to make the engagement fun, the DPS to handle pretty much anything under a Carrier. By itself however... a MWD, scram and web... it's not that great really. Ishtar serves better solo.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.28 21:54:00 - [28] Try making a tanky fit, be called primary and be a tougher nut to ***** than expected :) But do keep ze blasters, no need to ignore your DPS output while doing this. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.28 22:29:00 - [29] Originally by: joshmorris Deimos is good man, try teh neutrons with ecm drones before nerf, Can solo stuff well Amazing in gangs so much firepower. Jesus what is getting nerfed now? I swear CCP follows me around with a goddamn nerfbat... -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 07:00:00 - [30] No one else feels haunted? -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])

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