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I have been reading a lot lately about all our adversaries, but I am kinda new to them..(fresh in rise, not a real 0.0 dweller before)
what makes goons so special?
and what are our other enemies? I have heard things like UL, KOS, TCF, PL, RA, Coalition, etc...
what are they like? same as goons?

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).
goons are special because there's just f*cking thousands of them.

also goons are "special" (mainly because their mothers tell them they are).

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Goons are no longer a homogenous orange blob they used to be, many corporations which do not come from SomethingAwfull joined them so ist kinda hard to define them now. But theire principal attribute is****gotry. Theire goal is to lower the game to theire standards by any means necessary : low-level troll in CAOD, local chat invasion and even hacking our Teamspeak server.
You cant speak with them, you cant negociate, you cant match theire numbers. The only thing you can do is building a big wall and waiting for them to be bored.
The word which is closest to this definition is : Barbarians.

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An example of Goon behaviour:
Many moons ago, Ralph Rodriguez was flying solo in his Sabre from FD-MLJ. Looking for action he flew to Goon land and a very kind plated Thorax engaged him in the home system. As I was killing him I noted that the pilot was infact a Daddy Goon. I survived with 36% structure and did not consider it wise to engage the other 400 in local in this state. Suddenly local spiked to over 900 and I started running. For the next 7 hours I was chased by 300- 400 of them over the surrounding 14 systems. I finally cloaked and then watched them bubble the gates. They then starburst and hit every planet and moon at the same time to search for me (That was impressive). In short they utilise group thinking and unquestionable following of orders until directed otherwise. They will keep throwing resources at you until the objective is achieved or changed. They are in the main juveniles controlled by a group of intelligent leaders. Their allies are similar in makeup and method. They recruit anything and everybody, tell them nothing but demand total obedience. In short the prefect army. Unquestioning but willing to die for an unknown objective. The only weakness to this strategy is harm the leadership and the house of cards collapses.
Underestimate them and you will die, lack discipline and you will die, lack sufficient numbers for engagement and you will die.
Think and you may win.
Follow orders and remain disciplined and you may win.
Target starve them and you may win.

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Ask your self the following question- What kind of person looks at all the Alliances and corporations and then chooses to join one whose reputation is one of being an uncouth mob of jerks.

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Goonswarm was originally a bastion for new players coming from somethingawful.com. They would be recruited into the swarm by other SA members and given limited introduction to the game and its mechanics. They were originally the ultimate meatshield. Initially, hundreds of new players from a common online community being led by more senior members in attacks (zergs) against their enemies. That is how they got their reputation for flying swarms of T1 frigates.
The original recruitment slogan was something along the lines of "join us to help destroy that which others have worked so hard to achieve" or some such thing. Of course, they adapted to the ever-changing gameplay and suddenly, at the heart of a T1 frigate pack would be a command ship, giving the newbies huge bonuses and adding devastating effect to their swarm tactics. HAC's, T2-fit battleships, dreads, and carriers became commonplace in their fleets.
They are friendly first and foremost with Red Alliance. When Tau Ceti Federation entered the fold, they became known as Red Swarm Federation, or RSF for short. During the ISS/IAC war, they allied with IAC/AAA against ISS/MC/LV/FIX, and thusly, the lines were drawn in the sand. The group collectively became known as the Rapetrain Coalition (alternately, just "The Coalition") as BoB declared war against them and the south exploded in waves of destruction. Other alliances joined the different sides but Goonswarm is always considered the core "bad guys" by the Greater BoB Community. Occasionally, you'd see a rush of frigates in a system and run to intercept them, only to have a massive blob of destruction waiting for you. They are the very definition of blob warfare.
Despite their "nooby" beginnings, they are collectively a massive group of players and have some tough friends to go with their "who gives a ****" attitude.
Thank God for dead Goons!

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Goons are like farm animals. They arent special. Goons are union of losers(im meaning real life especially). They have numbers thats all. No special tactics neither military concept(As most of you noticed they dont have complicated tactics even they cant implement). As i said they like farm animals, in these we are killing them like dogs and they are breeding again, but with low quality. They are smacking a lot, nothing more; their ingame behaviours give us many clues about their characteristic (very low quality/cheap persons i say). I have no respect to them. I dont feel like a bug nor a insect, if they feels like they will get what they deserve, sooner or later but they will. As a south region resident, we are in the "Crusade" against to them with our allies. And i want bug(goon)free home and will continue to crushing of their heads in the name GOD!

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Goons seems to be a bunch of idiots and I would feel like an ******* being alligned to them.

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As you all know, RISE is falling appart.

And it is not even due to hostile pressure, we are killing ourselves by doing the wrong things. Some people will hate me even more because I speak franckly, but I don't care. Our biggest threat atm is our poor leadership and we need to make it a primary objective. It's either RISE changes leadership or it will loose even more people including mysleft and other know pilots.

So, lets see.

Contact Lokesh to take over if you have this profile:

- Lots of eve experience
- Dedicated to eve (play time)
- Smart and leader by nature.
- Able to reform a new mi

Once this will be established, this new leader should reform a new council, to consult, but only one person needs to take final decisions.

This might look like a personal initiative from my part, but I have consulted many, many high ranked pilots in RISE before sending this.

When/If this is achieved, we might have a chance...

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).

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Thanks to the great "leave core and do something else"-thing we are unable to do a thing. At least not without losing precious training time. Or, at least, it got MUCH MUCH harder.

ALL, I repeat, ALL cloning facilites in core are DOWN, and there's noone to repair them. As I'm writing this, core gang is completely empty, noone is around.

We can't fight because our clones were in 5P and the cloning facility is down. That means, If we die we're losing like a month of training time, and we can't move clones away from core without leaving core, which is hard to do in one piece with all the hostiles around. And, you can't set up a new jumpclone should you lose the one you have here. You have to make it back in one piece.

If we don't act now it will be our undoing.

Signed by an angry Thercon Jair and an equally upset Meyung Chan

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Suddenly local spiked to over 900

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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Originally by: Sacrosanctus

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Hi mommy look at me, I had spieesss in other peoples alliances and i spilled the beans! can i come up from the basement now?

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Originally by: Shimrod

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Hi mommy look at me, I had spieesss in other peoples alliances and i spilled the beans! can i come up from the basement now?

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We didn't want to do this, we were forced to. SAVE US FROM HIM! HE'S MAD! MAD I TELL YOU!

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Originally by: Cvuos

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I was part of the gang chasing that dictor. Most intense 7 hours of my Eve career. We had about 1400 in gang. 900 chasing, 400 of them tackling. The remaining 500 were holding back in case things got ugly.

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).

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It must suck to lose a war to people lacking higher brain function.

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An example of Goon behaviour:
Many moons ago, Ralph Rodriguez was flying solo in his Sabre from FD-MLJ. Looking for action he flew to Goon land and a very kind plated Thorax engaged him in the home system. As I was killing him I noted that the pilot was infact a Daddy Goon. I survived with 36% structure and did not consider it wise to engage the other 400 in local in this state. Suddenly local spiked to over 900 and I started running. For the next 7 hours I was chased by 300- 400 of them over the surrounding 14 systems. I finally cloaked and then watched them bubble the gates. They then starburst and hit every planet and moon at the same time to search for me (That was impressive). In short they utilise group thinking and unquestionable following of orders until directed otherwise. They will keep throwing resources at you until the objective is achieved or changed. They are in the main juveniles controlled by a group of intelligent leaders. Their allies are similar in makeup and method. They recruit anything and everybody, tell them nothing but demand total obedience. In short the prefect army. Unquestioning but willing to die for an unknown objective. The only weakness to this strategy is harm the leadership and the house of cards collapses.
Underestimate them and you will die, lack discipline and you will die, lack sufficient numbers for engagement and you will die.
Think and you may win.
Follow orders and remain disciplined and you may win.
Target starve them and you may win.

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Originally posted by some RISE dude on FoH:
In all honesty, I'll ignore your not-so-subtle jab and answer in all truthfulness. It's a combination of things:

EVE territorial warfare is only fun when you're winning, and I can see the writing on the wall.

Goons' stated objective has been to degrade the game experience of their enemies to force them to quit. It worked. I've started to find the game more stressful than fun, so that does it for me.

For all of its complexity EVE pvp is really pretty boring. You're either in a small gang fight which doesn't mean ****, or you're in a huge fight that's equivalent to watching a power point presentation.

It takes an ungodly amount of time, sucking up, and luck to join a halfway decent alliance, since all the good ones have closed recruitment due to metagaming. Which leads me to the next point.

The biggest reason for RISE's failure, over the last 3 months, has been metagaming. The spy that stole billions in backup ships from POSs in KW and the teamspeak spy that got us kicked off BoB TS for 3 weeks and cost us several combat operations in which we otherwise had a tactical advantage have done more to hurt our morale than anything else. All the local smack, forum whoring, capitals camping gate losses, etc. don't even hold a candle to it.

I'm not bitter or anything. I had fun while I played and RISE was decent enough. But I'd rather play something else.

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SOME RISE IDIOT

Thanks to the great "leave core and do something else"-thing we are unable to do a thing. At least not without losing precious training time. Or, at least, it got MUCH MUCH harder.

ALL, I repeat, ALL cloning facilites in core are DOWN, and there's noone to repair them. As I'm writing this, core gang is completely empty, noone is around.

We can't fight because our clones were in 5P and the cloning facility is down. That means, If we die we're losing like a month of training time, and we can't move clones away from core without leaving core, which is hard to do in one piece with all the hostiles around. And, you can't set up a new jumpclone should you lose the one you have here. You have to make it back in one piece.

If we don't act now it will be our undoing.

Signed by an angry Thercon Jair and an equally upset Meyung Chan

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Goons' stated objective has been to degrade the game experience of their enemies to force them to quit. It worked.

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Goons' stated objective has been to degrade the game experience of their enemies to force them to quit. It worked.

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Could someone please help me? Wasn't it BoB who said their goal was to take over all 0.0 in EVE and then find a way to take over all of Empire as well?

Im really lost here, or really drunk. Send halp.

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Goons' stated objective has been to degrade the game experience of their enemies to force them to quit. It worked.

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Could someone please help me? Wasn't it BoB who said their goal was to take over all 0.0 in EVE and then find a way to take over all of Empire as well?

Im really lost here, or really drunk. Send halp.

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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Originally by: Sacrosanctus

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Except Goons.

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