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I have been reading a lot lately about all our adversaries, but I am kinda new to them..(fresh in rise, not a real 0.0 dweller before)
what makes goons so special?
and what are our other enemies? I have heard things like UL, KOS, TCF, PL, RA, Coalition, etc...
what are they like? same as goons?

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).
goons are special because there's just f*cking thousands of them.

also goons are "special" (mainly because their mothers tell them they are).

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Goons are no longer a homogenous orange blob they used to be, many corporations which do not come from SomethingAwfull joined them so ist kinda hard to define them now. But theire principal attribute is****gotry. Theire goal is to lower the game to theire standards by any means necessary : low-level troll in CAOD, local chat invasion and even hacking our Teamspeak server.
You cant speak with them, you cant negociate, you cant match theire numbers. The only thing you can do is building a big wall and waiting for them to be bored.
The word which is closest to this definition is : Barbarians.

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An example of Goon behaviour:
Many moons ago, Ralph Rodriguez was flying solo in his Sabre from FD-MLJ. Looking for action he flew to Goon land and a very kind plated Thorax engaged him in the home system. As I was killing him I noted that the pilot was infact a Daddy Goon. I survived with 36% structure and did not consider it wise to engage the other 400 in local in this state. Suddenly local spiked to over 900 and I started running. For the next 7 hours I was chased by 300- 400 of them over the surrounding 14 systems. I finally cloaked and then watched them bubble the gates. They then starburst and hit every planet and moon at the same time to search for me (That was impressive). In short they utilise group thinking and unquestionable following of orders until directed otherwise. They will keep throwing resources at you until the objective is achieved or changed. They are in the main juveniles controlled by a group of intelligent leaders. Their allies are similar in makeup and method. They recruit anything and everybody, tell them nothing but demand total obedience. In short the prefect army. Unquestioning but willing to die for an unknown objective. The only weakness to this strategy is harm the leadership and the house of cards collapses.
Underestimate them and you will die, lack discipline and you will die, lack sufficient numbers for engagement and you will die.
Think and you may win.
Follow orders and remain disciplined and you may win.
Target starve them and you may win.

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Ask your self the following question- What kind of person looks at all the Alliances and corporations and then chooses to join one whose reputation is one of being an uncouth mob of jerks.

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Goonswarm was originally a bastion for new players coming from somethingawful.com. They would be recruited into the swarm by other SA members and given limited introduction to the game and its mechanics. They were originally the ultimate meatshield. Initially, hundreds of new players from a common online community being led by more senior members in attacks (zergs) against their enemies. That is how they got their reputation for flying swarms of T1 frigates.
The original recruitment slogan was something along the lines of "join us to help destroy that which others have worked so hard to achieve" or some such thing. Of course, they adapted to the ever-changing gameplay and suddenly, at the heart of a T1 frigate pack would be a command ship, giving the newbies huge bonuses and adding devastating effect to their swarm tactics. HAC's, T2-fit battleships, dreads, and carriers became commonplace in their fleets.
They are friendly first and foremost with Red Alliance. When Tau Ceti Federation entered the fold, they became known as Red Swarm Federation, or RSF for short. During the ISS/IAC war, they allied with IAC/AAA against ISS/MC/LV/FIX, and thusly, the lines were drawn in the sand. The group collectively became known as the Rapetrain Coalition (alternately, just "The Coalition") as BoB declared war against them and the south exploded in waves of destruction. Other alliances joined the different sides but Goonswarm is always considered the core "bad guys" by the Greater BoB Community. Occasionally, you'd see a rush of frigates in a system and run to intercept them, only to have a massive blob of destruction waiting for you. They are the very definition of blob warfare.
Despite their "nooby" beginnings, they are collectively a massive group of players and have some tough friends to go with their "who gives a ****" attitude.
Thank God for dead Goons!

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Goons are like farm animals. They arent special. Goons are union of losers(im meaning real life especially). They have numbers thats all. No special tactics neither military concept(As most of you noticed they dont have complicated tactics even they cant implement). As i said they like farm animals, in these we are killing them like dogs and they are breeding again, but with low quality. They are smacking a lot, nothing more; their ingame behaviours give us many clues about their characteristic (very low quality/cheap persons i say). I have no respect to them. I dont feel like a bug nor a insect, if they feels like they will get what they deserve, sooner or later but they will. As a south region resident, we are in the "Crusade" against to them with our allies. And i want bug(goon)free home and will continue to crushing of their heads in the name GOD!

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As you all know, RISE is falling appart.

And it is not even due to hostile pressure, we are killing ourselves by doing the wrong things. Some people will hate me even more because I speak franckly, but I don't care. Our biggest threat atm is our poor leadership and we need to make it a primary objective. It's either RISE changes leadership or it will loose even more people including mysleft and other know pilots.

So, lets see.

Contact Lokesh to take over if you have this profile:

- Lots of eve experience
- Dedicated to eve (play time)
- Smart and leader by nature.
- Able to reform a new mi

Once this will be established, this new leader should reform a new council, to consult, but only one person needs to take final decisions.

This might look like a personal initiative from my part, but I have consulted many, many high ranked pilots in RISE before sending this.

When/If this is achieved, we might have a chance...

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).

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Thanks to the great "leave core and do something else"-thing we are unable to do a thing. At least not without losing precious training time. Or, at least, it got MUCH MUCH harder.

ALL, I repeat, ALL cloning facilites in core are DOWN, and there's noone to repair them. As I'm writing this, core gang is completely empty, noone is around.

We can't fight because our clones were in 5P and the cloning facility is down. That means, If we die we're losing like a month of training time, and we can't move clones away from core without leaving core, which is hard to do in one piece with all the hostiles around. And, you can't set up a new jumpclone should you lose the one you have here. You have to make it back in one piece.

If we don't act now it will be our undoing.

Signed by an angry Thercon Jair and an equally upset Meyung Chan

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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Originally by: Shimrod

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Hi mommy look at me, I had spieesss in other peoples alliances and i spilled the beans! can i come up from the basement now?

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Originally by: Shimrod

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Hi mommy look at me, I had spieesss in other peoples alliances and i spilled the beans! can i come up from the basement now?

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We didn't want to do this, we were forced to. SAVE US FROM HIM! HE'S MAD! MAD I TELL YOU!

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Originally by: Cvuos

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I was part of the gang chasing that dictor. Most intense 7 hours of my Eve career. We had about 1400 in gang. 900 chasing, 400 of them tackling. The remaining 500 were holding back in case things got ugly.

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mentally most of our enemies are roughly the same as goons (i.e. lacking in higher brain function).

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An example of Goon behaviour:
Many moons ago, Ralph Rodriguez was flying solo in his Sabre from FD-MLJ. Looking for action he flew to Goon land and a very kind plated Thorax engaged him in the home system. As I was killing him I noted that the pilot was infact a Daddy Goon. I survived with 36% structure and did not consider it wise to engage the other 400 in local in this state. Suddenly local spiked to over 900 and I started running. For the next 7 hours I was chased by 300- 400 of them over the surrounding 14 systems. I finally cloaked and then watched them bubble the gates. They then starburst and hit every planet and moon at the same time to search for me (That was impressive). In short they utilise group thinking and unquestionable following of orders until directed otherwise. They will keep throwing resources at you until the objective is achieved or changed. They are in the main juveniles controlled by a group of intelligent leaders. Their allies are similar in makeup and method. They recruit anything and everybody, tell them nothing but demand total obedience. In short the prefect army. Unquestioning but willing to die for an unknown objective. The only weakness to this strategy is harm the leadership and the house of cards collapses.
Underestimate them and you will die, lack discipline and you will die, lack sufficient numbers for engagement and you will die.
Think and you may win.
Follow orders and remain disciplined and you may win.
Target starve them and you may win.

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Originally posted by some RISE dude on FoH:
In all honesty, I'll ignore your not-so-subtle jab and answer in all truthfulness. It's a combination of things:

EVE territorial warfare is only fun when you're winning, and I can see the writing on the wall.

Goons' stated objective has been to degrade the game experience of their enemies to force them to quit. It worked. I've started to find the game more stressful than fun, so that does it for me.

For all of its complexity EVE pvp is really pretty boring. You're either in a small gang fight which doesn't mean ****, or you're in a huge fight that's equivalent to watching a power point presentation.

It takes an ungodly amount of time, sucking up, and luck to join a halfway decent alliance, since all the good ones have closed recruitment due to metagaming. Which leads me to the next point.

The biggest reason for RISE's failure, over the last 3 months, has been metagaming. The spy that stole billions in backup ships from POSs in KW and the teamspeak spy that got us kicked off BoB TS for 3 weeks and cost us several combat operations in which we otherwise had a tactical advantage have done more to hurt our morale than anything else. All the local smack, forum whoring, capitals camping gate losses, etc. don't even hold a candle to it.

I'm not bitter or anything. I had fun while I played and RISE was decent enough. But I'd rather play something else.

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SOME RISE IDIOT

Thanks to the great "leave core and do something else"-thing we are unable to do a thing. At least not without losing precious training time. Or, at least, it got MUCH MUCH harder.

ALL, I repeat, ALL cloning facilites in core are DOWN, and there's noone to repair them. As I'm writing this, core gang is completely empty, noone is around.

We can't fight because our clones were in 5P and the cloning facility is down. That means, If we die we're losing like a month of training time, and we can't move clones away from core without leaving core, which is hard to do in one piece with all the hostiles around. And, you can't set up a new jumpclone should you lose the one you have here. You have to make it back in one piece.

If we don't act now it will be our undoing.

Signed by an angry Thercon Jair and an equally upset Meyung Chan

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Could someone please help me? Wasn't it BoB who said their goal was to take over all 0.0 in EVE and then find a way to take over all of Empire as well?

Im really lost here, or really drunk. Send halp.

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Could someone please help me? Wasn't it BoB who said their goal was to take over all 0.0 in EVE and then find a way to take over all of Empire as well?

Im really lost here, or really drunk. Send halp.

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Originally by: Sacrosanctus

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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Originally by: Sacrosanctus

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Except Goons.

No ?

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Originally by: Sacrosanctus

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Guys, remember that time we had a gang of 900 and our "daddy goon" was in trouble so we went to save him and then send 400 goons after a dictor for hours and dozens of jumps then he got away by cloaking? That was such a cool day.

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And then we starburst and hit every planet and moon. The Starburst is like a doomsday except it hits everything in the same system at once.

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Originally by: Bethy Kun

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Its just amazing how much time and energy and gerneral obsessing that is done over a 950 member alliance by lets see... Goons = 5100 pandemic = 400+ KOS = 1600+ TCF = 1200 and many many more, am I the only one who finds the humor of the endless rise is dead threads, even withthem facing 10-1 odds?


if you trying to kill them by telling them they are dead too death, only thing u have sucessfully done is hurt multiple ppls brains trying to grasp wth goons are doing... cuz atm, they havent really done anything except die lately but what else is a goon good for? other then cheap easy KB stats.

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Originally by: CrispyKritters

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Originally by: Bethy Kun

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Is this how RISE ends? with alt posts separated from reality?

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Originally by: NATMav

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It's okay RISE, I'm sure BoB will happily leech your better pilots and leave the rest to fend for themselves with no clones or any way to get their assets out.

If the RISE leadership didn't already run off with all the assets weeks ago, it might be time to start considering surrender terms, assuming RSF are open to talks.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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go back to losing all your space to rifter fleets

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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go back to losing all your space to rifter fleets

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Originally by: WrathOfOprah

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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BURN

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Depends on if it's Tolon's starburst or not.

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Originally by: Rohann

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/emote pokes woody and moons him

I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!

Originally by: Local Her0

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Originally by: Bethy Kun

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Its just amazing how much time and energy and gerneral obsessing that is done over a 950 member alliance by lets see... Goons = 5100 pandemic = 400+ KOS = 1600+ TCF = 1200 and many many more, am I the only one who finds the humor of the endless rise is dead threads, even withthem facing 10-1 odds?


if you trying to kill them by telling them they are dead too death, only thing u have sucessfully done is hurt multiple ppls brains trying to grasp wth goons are doing... cuz atm, they havent really done anything except die lately but what else is a goon good for? other then cheap easy KB stats.

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first u forgot to count RA in - secondly you should know by now that there are not 9000 pilots killing rise in RIT - there are only 25 'Pandemic Legions' camping them in day and night - end of the story

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Originally by: ForumPosterAlt

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So from this it looks like RISE have some pretty terrible people in their alliance. I mean every corp does, but if this is the standard RISE mentality then they need to stop playing eve and go take a vacation.

Everyone that plays eve is a real person behind the keyboard, no different than any other gamer other than what corp they joined. You don't need to be saying such things about their irl personality. Its just a game.

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Edited by: Elder Bob on 27/09/2007 22:27:39
And finally, to go with it, an alliance mail.

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As you all know, RISE is falling appart.

And it is not even due to hostile pressure, we are killing ourselves by doing the wrong things. Some people will hate me even more because I speak franckly, but I don't care. Our biggest threat atm is our poor leadership and we need to make it a primary objective. It's either RISE changes leadership or it will loose even more people including mysleft and other know pilots.

So, lets see.

Contact Lokesh to take over if you have this profile:

- Lots of eve experience
- Dedicated to eve (play time)
- Smart and leader by nature.
- Able to reform a new mi

Once this will be established, this new leader should reform a new council, to consult, but only one person needs to take final decisions.

This might look like a personal initiative from my part, but I have consulted many, many high ranked pilots in RISE before sending this.

When/If this is achieved, we might have a chance...

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what if we all joined goonswarm? would eve end?

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Well, I guess it worked, but props to RISE for staying alive much longer than I would have expected. I hope you guys had fun while it lasted.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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no one cares....imo...now go back to running around in rifter fleets.

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Originally by: Idaeus

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I thought that was Deathblossom.

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Originally by: ciapek

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fresh meat u bakaed and now comming ouf your oven, lets c how well its done ........

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Originally by: ollobrains

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i wanna join goonfleet and have some fun let me in let me in rofl, if u seriously interested without any scamming etc to join someone from goons tell me where to sign up

whos bottom needs kissing rofl

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Originally by: Nials Corva

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I have a humble request for the members of Rise. Since your cloning services seem to be constantly down, could you put links to your skill point profiles in your bios? There's a contest to see who can cause the most total SP loss and this would assist greatly in judging.

Thanks in advance for participating in what may be the next generation of Kill:Death and Isk Lost ratio metrics.

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i wanna join goonfleet and have some fun let me in let me in rofl, if u seriously interested without any scamming etc to join someone from goons tell me where to sign up

whos bottom needs kissing rofl

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If the RISE leadership didn't already run off with all the assets weeks ago, it might be time to start considering surrender terms, assuming RSF are open to talks.

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I came up with this super secret manouver and named it after my favourite sugary, yet delightfully juicy treat.

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Suddenly local spiked to over 900 and I started running. For the next 7 hours I was chased by 300- 400 of them over the surrounding 14 systems

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ROFL

Very funny. A tiny bit overexagerated perhaps?

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Originally by: Hyakuchan

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You already know they aren't.

F is French. They'll sooner bury a lit cigarette in RISE's ear then let someone else surrender before they themselves do.

R is Russian, and they sleep at funny hours, so they just plow through RISE space when everyone is logged.

And Swarm....
Well, we all know what the Goons are like; Americans with fantasies of Chuck Norris beating up crippled people. No... RISE will get no sympathy from them, and if they try to surrender Goon will simply play along until they can cause the most harm by attacking again.

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You mean like the "honorable" BOB who apparently accepted DR+AWE surrender and then backstabbed them by attacking their freighter convoy evacuating assets to empire?

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Originally by: Nemain Darru

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-Goons want to control all of 0.0 and preferably empire as well

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Originally by: Hyakuchan

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Originally by: Nemain Darru

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-Goons want to control all of 0.0 and preferably empire as well

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Actually it's more apt to say that Goons just want to make sure that anyone who wants to control 0.0, never does.

They're sadists. They want to beat people up, kick down what others build, and generally wreck up the place Nixon style. They do it because they can and because other people don't want them to.

Which, there's nothing wrong with.

What makes it so amusing is how indignant BoB the Builder & Friends gets about it. The idea of a group who can casually hate other people just for kicks is difficult to grasp for people who don't actually think that way themselves.

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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Originally by: Nemain Darru

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It would also appear to me that BoB is fighting way too many people at once :P

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Originally by: Hyakuchan

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Actually it's more apt to say that Goons just want to make sure that anyone who wants to control 0.0, never does.

They're sadists. They want to beat people up, kick down what others build, and generally wreck up the place Nixon style. They do it because they can and because other people don't want them to.

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Originally by: Nemain Darru

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Edited by: Nemain Darru on 28/09/2007 22:36:09
Hmm.

So, being a newf*g let me try to put this in order for myself:

-BoB wants to control all of 0.0 and preferably empire as well
-BoB uses fleets so big everything lags to hell to do this

and

-Goons want to control all of 0.0 and preferably empire as well
-Goons use fleets so big everything lags to hell to do this

Hmmm.

I'd say by virtue of their funky sigs and "OVER 900!" Goons are pulling slightly ahead.

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Originally by: Shimrod

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Hi mommy look at me, I had spieesss in other peoples alliances and i spilled the beans! can i come up from the basement now?

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Originally by: Halkin

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bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads

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Originally by: Lonectzn

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Heh it's unfortunate but there's always a lot of animosity in games like this. It comes from both sides, there's some award-winners in our alliance but it basically comes with the subscription. I like Rise because it's got a really good core of people who are pretty relaxed and don't take the whole thing too seriously. I have enough politics and grandstanding at work without bringing it into a game lol.

That's probably why we survived Reunion. PL are okay but Reunion really have a special place in my heart, I take against that Rise poster calling them stupid . They were a lot of fun, and killed a mass of Rise newbies (don't we all want to sometimes? ). To be honest PL have gotta be around another few months before I'll consider them up to RA... You really gotta love their style, they're just cool all over.

We've been proclaimed nearly-dead many times and pull through. If you want RHG you're going to have to come take it. Camping systems didn't work in the past and won't now - you actually gotta come pop those towers baby

Keep up the fight - we will. Though I just wish last patch hadn't screwed me over... is the pain of running EVE on linux. May end up having to dual boot JUST FOR EVE... I mean damn you can only ask so much of a person before they break

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Hay guys can I post in this thread?

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Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.
I know attacking BOB allies does some indirect damage to BOB in the long run but I would assume destroying actual BOB ships and disrupting mining, industry and transport in BOB's home systems would cause more long term damage.
I am genuinely curious about Goon,RA reasons. With my limited understanding of the game it seams like attacking BOBs smaller allies instead of BOB itself,helps BOB in the long run.

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Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.
I know attacking BOB allies does some indirect damage to BOB in the long run but I would assume destroying actual BOB ships and disrupting mining, industry and transport in BOB's home systems would cause more long term damage.
I am genuinely curious about Goon,RA reasons. With my limited understanding of the game it seams like attacking BOBs smaller allies instead of BOB itself,helps BOB in the long run.

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Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.

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Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.

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With my limited understanding of the game

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Originally by: Mistae

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Despite all the posturing and propaganda from both sides isn't the real unknown the ratio of capitol ship production going on in the backround. If BOB is producing and stockpiling equipped capital ships at a rate 3 times greater than Goon,RA,etc. Time is on their side. If this were the case, then Goon,RA,etc "victory" over the residents of Feyth will be an example of winning th battle but losing the war. Again I do not know, I am just asking.

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Originally by: Mistae

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Jhyme, If I understand you correctly you are awnowledging that BOB takes advantage/benefits from you attacking their smaller allies instead of BOB head on.

Despite all the posturing and propaganda from both sides isn't the real unknown the ratio of capitol ship production going on in the backround. If BOB is producing and stockpiling equipped capital ships at a rate 3 times greater than Goon,RA,etc. Time is on their side. If this were the case, then Goon,RA,etc "victory" over the residents of Feyth will be an example of winning th battle but losing the war. Again I do not know, I am just asking.

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Originally by: Mistae

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Jhyme, If I understand you correctly you are awnowledging that BOB takes advantage/benefits from you attacking their smaller allies instead of BOB head on.

Despite all the posturing and propaganda from both sides isn't the real unknown the ratio of capitol ship production going on in the backround. If BOB is producing and stockpiling equipped capital ships at a rate 3 times greater than Goon,RA,etc. Time is on their side. If this were the case, then Goon,RA,etc "victory" over the residents of Feyth will be an example of winning th battle but losing the war. Again I do not know, I am just asking.

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Originally by: Bethy Kun

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Its just amazing how much time and energy and gerneral obsessing that is done over a 950 member alliance by lets see... Goons = 5100 pandemic = 400+ KOS = 1600+ TCF = 1200 and many many more, am I the only one who finds the humor of the endless rise is dead threads, even withthem facing 10-1 odds?

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Originally by: Bethy Kun

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Its just amazing how much time and energy and gerneral obsessing that is done over a 950 member alliance by lets see... Goons = 5100 pandemic = 400+ KOS = 1600+ TCF = 1200 and many many more, am I the only one who finds the humor of the endless rise is dead threads, even withthem facing 10-1 odds?


if you trying to kill them by telling them they are dead too death, only thing u have sucessfully done is hurt multiple ppls brains trying to grasp wth goons are doing... cuz atm, they havent really done anything except die lately but what else is a goon good for? other then cheap easy KB stats.

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Originally by: Areena Shay

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You really cannot have it both ways.

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Originally by: May Zonday

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Originally by: Areena Shay

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You really cannot have it both ways.

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Neither can RISE. Either they need to pack their **** and move to empire, or put up with Goons sitting outside their systems, ratting and mining RIT to the dirt while BoB pansies around trying to pick a fight with the Amarr roleplayers.

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Originally by: Havoc GunStar

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500m isk Rattlesnake fire sale?

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Originally by: Marduk Felzhen

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Originally by: Vorian Atraties

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i bid my kidney...

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i bid his other kidney

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Originally by: Jhyme

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Edited by: Jhyme on 29/09/2007 19:19:03
Edited by: Jhyme on 29/09/2007 19:12:12

Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.
I know attacking BOB allies does some indirect damage to BOB in the long run but I would assume destroying actual BOB ships and disrupting mining, industry and transport in BOB's home systems would cause more long term damage.
I am genuinely curious about Goon,RA reasons. With my limited understanding of the game it seams like attacking BOBs smaller allies instead of BOB itself,helps BOB in the long run.

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It could be attributed to spatial factors, such as the fact that BoB uses your alliance as a meat shield and a cash cow. They let you take the damage while they attack others, and if you die, it's not big deal-- it wasn't their money and posses down the drain. If you live but suffer tremendous damage, that's fine too, as you guys will just spend your own alliance resources to build the shield back up against the rabid goons. The irony is that BoB should be paying you guys since you are doing them a service, and instead, you guys are paying them.

If the BoB homeworlds were right next door, and Rise was in Delve, then it would be understandable that you had to pay BoB, because at that point, BoB is actually being the protective meatshield.

Leave your alliance, rise up against your BoB landlords, and then when BoB falls, and you still have anti-goon sentiment, it's not too late to kill goons then.

Edit: Btw. royofca.com

Best regards,
Jhyme

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Originally by: Jhyme

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Edited by: Jhyme on 29/09/2007 19:19:03
Edited by: Jhyme on 29/09/2007 19:12:12

Originally by: Mistae

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One thing about this war I haven't understood is why Goon, RA and their allies invest so much time and resources into attacking BOB allies and not BOB direct. I know there has been direct engagment in some of these epic POS battles but as far as I can tell at other times a majority of Goon,RA,etc attacks have not been directed at BOB systems or concentrations of BOB ships.
I know attacking BOB allies does some indirect damage to BOB in the long run but I would assume destroying actual BOB ships and disrupting mining, industry and transport in BOB's home systems would cause more long term damage.
I am genuinely curious about Goon,RA reasons. With my limited understanding of the game it seams like attacking BOBs smaller allies instead of BOB itself,helps BOB in the long run.

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It could be attributed to spatial factors, such as the fact that BoB uses your alliance as a meat shield and a cash cow. They let you take the damage while they attack others, and if you die, it's not big deal-- it wasn't their money and posses down the drain. If you live but suffer tremendous damage, that's fine too, as you guys will just spend your own alliance resources to build the shield back up against the rabid goons. The irony is that BoB should be paying you guys since you are doing them a service, and instead, you guys are paying them.

If the BoB homeworlds were right next door, and Rise was in Delve, then it would be understandable that you had to pay BoB, because at that point, BoB is actually being the protective meatshield.

Leave your alliance, rise up against your BoB landlords, and then when BoB falls, and you still have anti-goon sentiment, it's not too late to kill goons then.

Edit: Btw. royofca.com

Best regards,
Jhyme

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Most of the time I skip Goonspam, but I just had to read this one and

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Originally by: rolfcopter

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I love goon topics.
A goon makes a topic.
Other 988983 lonely goons anwers.

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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd

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Originally by: rolfcopter

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I love goon topics.
A goon makes a topic.
Other 988983 lonely goons anwers.

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minus the ~60 or so posts made by non-goon toons...

fail.

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Originally by: Morris Falter

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Edited by: Morris Falter on 02/10/2007 09:56:07
I don't know if any of my old corp's posts are still on Rise's forum from last year, but before we merged into collective to be part of the impass campaign, we were part of the outer ring Rise as 133rd Ghost Wing.. just a small corp based mostly around people who knew each other from various real life connections, nothing huge - eve is full of corps like this. Anyway..

Initially, when we joined up with the rise alliance all seemed well - regular gangs, seemed like there was good production, good voice comms, forums, people seemed to know what they were doing. How wrong you can be..

The first sign that things were not as they should be was when 0utbreak came to visit - not, in retrospect, in any great numbers, but organised enough and with the right ships to do hit and run ganks (similar to pandemic legion, if they forgive me the comparison). Suddenly, participation was low, no one wanted to undock or respond in ally channels, people got blown up needlessly.. all the usual stuff.

This went on for about a fortnight, we had some success (I believe the first command ship killmail I was on was an outbreak astarte in 4C- ;), but mostly it was frustration. For us, moving from Stain to Outer Ring was a big change, and we had next to no supplies - asking for people to build things like ships, ammo, even (god forbid) t2, seemed to be a major issue. We had been used to front line fighters getting what they needed when they needed it, and of course having our own established stocks in stain which we could share out with others too. Seeing so much resources being hoovered up by miners / complex runners who had no interest in defending their space in any organised way.. you get the idea.

It just seems like that whoever is leading Rise at the moment (SG?) didnt learn from the mistakes made in outer ring, or whatever they did learn hasnt been applied.

I'm trying really hard not to mention that they elected to become a renting alliance with no home of their own, but the downsides of that should be obvious. Even if the RIT triangle was rise sovereign space (which it definitely is not, whatever the map says), I believe the problems would be similar.

It is not all clouds though - at the end of this, after losing a few (far smarter than me) members who could see the way it was going, it was decided enough was enough, and instead of beating a dead horse, we decided that if we were so smart, actually we could do it on our own, our ideas and ideals were better than those we had seen, and having circular arguments with invisible leadership on a forum would get us nowhere.

We went back to stain, within a week we were in a better shape than a month in rise space had made us, hanging out with some very great and interesting people who no doubt wondered who let the noobs in (the then very new aAa) who didnt **** on their promises, and even if they were going to murder you, would say it to your face, instead of weaseling.

I'm going on a bit - forgive me - I'm basically aiming this at the people in rise (or any other alliance that doesnt really deliver) - if you think you can do better, its normally because you can, but if you're not given the chance to do it, then its time to move on. Don't waste your time with dead horses. Why play the game to someone else's rules?

Good luck o/

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