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Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:15:00 -
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Make it faster, so we don't have to spend so much time doing it. Mining is a chore that nobody likes and few people have time for, but it's necessary. The less time we spend doing it the better. The simplest way to reduce the time it takes to mine is to reduce the cycle duration of all mining lasers- reduce it by 90%.
At least test the idea on the server before dismissing it as unbalanced or op. |

Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:30:00 -
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No. No. No. No. No. No.
90% reduction in cycle time means an 900% increase in supply. This would cause insanity in EVE's economy.
If cycle times were to change (which I oppose) I think anything over 5% is drastically huge.
This may be surprising to some of you combat people but there are a select few of us that like mining. If you don't want to mine go shoot things so we have more customers. I think mining should be changed in some ways but this is definitely not a good approach.
Regarding Sisi: As this has a huge impact on the economy there is no way to test it on the economy-free Sisi. |

Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
133
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:14:00 -
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Absolutely not.
Most of the mining is done by bots anyways. You want to increase bot efficiency by 90%? Hell no.
Of all the terrible suggestions on how to improve mining, this is one of the worst. Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |

Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:22:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Absolutely not.
Most of the mining is done by bots anyways. You want to increase bot efficiency by 90%? Hell no.
Of all the terrible suggestions on how to improve mining, this is one of the worst.
Don't forget though, there are the select few of us that mine legitimately. We aren't all out to ruin the game. |

Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:05:00 -
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I ONCE THOUGHT MINING WOULD BE EXCITING LIKE EXPLORING VAST SPACE WITH BARELY ARMED MINING VESSAL AND THEN I WOULD SOMETIMES HIT JACKPOT AND FIND EXPENSIVE ASTEROIDS AND MINE THEM FAST LIKE IN COUPLE HOURS BEFORE OTHER GUY COMES OR BAD PIRATE. ALL TIHS EXPENSIVE STUFF WOULD OF COURSE GO INTO MY LARGE CARGOHOLD.
BUT THEN I LOGGED IN 2ND DAY AND I REALIZE MINING IS MEANT FOR BOTTERS NOT FOR ACTUAL GAMEPLAYERS.
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
265
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:13:00 -
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must be a bought/rmt'd char...there ain't no way in hell he'd spout that garbage. |

Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
134
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:46:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:Absolutely not.
Most of the mining is done by bots anyways. You want to increase bot efficiency by 90%? Hell no.
Of all the terrible suggestions on how to improve mining, this is one of the worst. Don't forget though, there are the SELECT FEW of us that mine legitimately. We aren't all out to ruin the game. You want to increase thousands upon thousands of bots mining efficiency by 90% so that a "select few" can profit a little more?
Fail. Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:57:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote: 90% reduction in cycle time means an 900% increase in supply.
Not unless you assume that everyone will spend the same amount of time mining. I doubt it. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.22 06:09:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote: You want to increase bot efficiency by 90%? Hell no.
Yes, I do! Because the supply would saturate the market with minerals, reducing the price to near zero- not a bad thing, imo, even though I am a dedicated miner. And maybe, just maybe, some of those players who are using bots would stop using bots because they'll end up with too much nearly worthless ore and minerals. But also because it will be too easy for living players to go out and mine out entire asteroid belts, ice fields, and gas clouds, leaving the bots with nothing. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
916
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Posted - 2012.01.22 06:31:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:Domukuan II wrote: 90% reduction in cycle time means an 900% increase in supply.
Not unless you assume that everyone will spend the same amount of time mining. I doubt it.
Do you mine currently? Amines tend to mine for a set period of time. They log on, have their mining fleet running, and watch a movie, or spend time doing housework (or office work in some cases). They are not mining to meet a goal, they are mining to do something "productive" while they are not able to pay full attention to the game.
Your assumption is easily falsified. Miners will spend the same time mining, because they mine to fill time. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
916
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Posted - 2012.01.22 06:35:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:The simplest way to reduce mining time is to reduce the cycle duration of all mining lasers- by 90%. The overall effect will be be positive. Reduced mining time, reduced mineral prices, reduced ship and equipment prices, more pve and pvp.
Not quite. If you wanted to make mining faster, you would increase the yield of ore tenfold, then reduce the quantity of ore spawned tenfold. Thus miners would mine ten times as much tritanium per hour as before, the belts would run out faster, and mining would no longer be AFK friendly. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.22 06:37:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: Amines tend to mine for a set period of time. They log on, have their mining fleet running, and watch a movie, or spend time doing housework (or office work in some cases). They are not mining to meet a goal, they are mining to do something "productive" while they are not able to pay full attention to the game.
Your assumption is easily falsified. Miners will spend the same time mining, because they mine to fill time.
I never said nobody mine to fill time. I am only contesting the previous assumption that everyone does. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.22 07:06:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: If you wanted to make mining faster, you would increase the yield of ore tenfold, then reduce the quantity of ore spawned tenfold. Thus miners would mine ten times as much tritanium per hour as before, the belts would run out faster, and mining would no longer be AFK friendly.
Mining lasers have two attributes that effect the mining rate, cycle duration and yield. I considered increasing the yield before I made the tropic thinking it would have the same effect. But then I realized it wouldn't because a full cycle would more than fill up a ship's entire cargo hold causing large quantities of ore to be wasted for lack of room. I chose to increase cycle duration instead to minimize waste. I see no need to reduce the capacity of asteroids though. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
267
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:55:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: If you wanted to make mining faster, you would increase the yield of ore tenfold, then reduce the quantity of ore spawned tenfold. Thus miners would mine ten times as much tritanium per hour as before, the belts would run out faster, and mining would no longer be AFK friendly.
Mining lasers have two attributes that effect the mining rate, cycle duration and yield. I considered increasing the yield before I made the tropic thinking it would have the same effect. But then I realized it wouldn't because a full cycle would more than fill up a ship's entire cargo hold causing large quantities of ore to be wasted for lack of room. I chose to increase cycle duration instead to minimize waste. I see no need to reduce the capacity of asteroids though.
Yup...bought char or troll.
He's now saying he wants to increase cycle duration...hilarious. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
917
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:03:00 -
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[quote=Jade MitchI considered increasing the yield before I made the tropic thinking it would have the same effect. But then I realized it wouldn't because a full cycle would more than fill up a ship's entire cargo hold causing large quantities of ore to be wasted for lack of room. I chose to increase cycle duration instead to minimize waste. I see no need to reduce the capacity of asteroids though.[/quote]
Increase the mineral yield of the ore, reduce the quantity of ore seeded. Thus you can mine faster in terms of ISK/hr, but the fields will be depleted quickly. The mining ships will still be able to proceed semi-AFK, and people insisting on mining while at the keyboard can continue to be bored out of their brains. Everyone wins! |

Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
134
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:23:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Jade Mitch wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: If you wanted to make mining faster, you would increase the yield of ore tenfold, then reduce the quantity of ore spawned tenfold. Thus miners would mine ten times as much tritanium per hour as before, the belts would run out faster, and mining would no longer be AFK friendly.
Mining lasers have two attributes that effect the mining rate, cycle duration and yield. I considered increasing the yield before I made the tropic thinking it would have the same effect. But then I realized it wouldn't because a full cycle would more than fill up a ship's entire cargo hold causing large quantities of ore to be wasted for lack of room. I chose to increase cycle duration instead to minimize waste. I see no need to reduce the capacity of asteroids though. Yup...bought char or troll. He's now saying he wants to increase cycle duration...hilarious. I must say, his grasp on the English language is impressive for an isk farmer.
Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:24:00 -
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What the I don't even... grow a pair. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
250
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:16:00 -
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Mining is repetitive and boring (this also has a lot to do with why its so heavily botted)
The way to fix mining is to change it so it isn't repetitive and boring, not by crashing the mineral market even more than it is now whilst retaining the repetition and boredom. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
267
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:43:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:What the I don't even... grow a pair.
As much as I agree...grow a brain and say something creative as opposed to the usual "grow a pair" that you say in each-and-every-freaking-post. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:25:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: Mining is repetitive and boring (this also has a lot to do with why its so heavily botted)
The way to fix mining is to change it so it isn't repetitive and boring, not by crashing the mineral market even more than it is now whilst retaining the repetition and boredom.
Wouldn't you agree though that shorter repetitions are more fun than longer ones? |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
22
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:34:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:What the I don't even... grow a pair. As much as I agree...grow a brain and say something creative as opposed to the usual "grow a pair" that you say in each-and-every-freaking-post. I have no objection with you badgering the witless. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
276
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:05:00 -
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silly idea, people wont mine less, they will mine just as much and absolutely flood the market. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:22:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote: Mining is repetitive and boring (this also has a lot to do with why its so heavily botted)
The way to fix mining is to change it so it isn't repetitive and boring, not by crashing the mineral market even more than it is now whilst retaining the repetition and boredom.
Wouldn't you agree though that shorter repetitions are more fun than longer ones?
Its not as though Average Joe Miner is going to stop spending so many hours mining if you give him more minerals. He'll continue to mine just as long as he always did, he'll just have more ore at the end of it. And since everyone else would be doing the same and the value of the ore would be dropping, he has to mine for just as long simply to keep up.
Now, if you want to talk about new ways of mining, ways that reward more player input and attention compared to the current 'warp in, target rock, fall asleep at keyboard' method, and combine that with a solution to the two problems of drone region alloys and loot melting, then we're getting somewhere. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:03:00 -
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Here's a Blatant Forum Alt idea for you:
Add flash to the ingame browser, and other bits and pieces to bring it to the same level as real broswers. Even goons would mine if they could play crappy flash mini games at the same time. |

Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries Pandorum Invictus
187
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:04:00 -
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An increase in mining yield is not the "fix" for mining. It's been said a million times, and proven wrong a million and one. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
268
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:20:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:What the I don't even... grow a pair. As much as I agree...grow a brain and say something creative as opposed to the usual "grow a pair" that you say in each-and-every-freaking-post. I have no objection with you badgering the witless.
And I have no problem bashing your troll idea into ribbons either. |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
23
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:58:00 -
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This would make me mine less. I don't want to waste all my time mining.
If other players want to keep mining, fine with me. And if that drives mineral prices down, great! I will transition over to manufacturing and take advantage of it.
But so will other industrialists, so the prices of ships and equipment will eventually go down. Does anyone with a normal brain have a problem with everything being cheaper?
Then I will finally be able to afford to transition over to pve and pvp! And when I loose a ship and all my awesome mods, it wont take weeks to replace.
...think about it. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
268
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:08:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:This would make me mine less. I don't want to waste all my time mining. If other players want to keep mining, fine with me. And if that drives mineral prices down, great! I will transition over to manufacturing and take advantage of it. But so will other industrialists, so the prices of ships and equipment will eventually go down. Does anyone with a normal brain have a problem with everything being cheaper? Then I will finally be able to afford to transition over to pve and pvp!  And when I loose a ship and all my awesome mods, it wont take weeks to replace. ...think about it.
1: Your doing it wrong.
2: No one said you had to "Waste your time" mining.
3: Your full of crap.
4: Repeat above list again until its clearly in your mind. |

Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
60
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:39:00 -
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Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:I ONCE THOUGHT MINING WOULD BE EXCITING LIKE EXPLORING VAST SPACE WITH BARELY ARMED MINING VESSAL AND THEN I WOULD SOMETIMES HIT JACKPOT AND FIND EXPENSIVE ASTEROIDS AND MINE THEM FAST LIKE IN COUPLE HOURS BEFORE OTHER GUY COMES OR BAD PIRATE. ALL TIHS EXPENSIVE STUFF WOULD OF COURSE GO INTO MY LARGE CARGOHOLD.
BUT THEN I LOGGED IN 2ND DAY AND I REALIZE MINING IS MEANT FOR BOTTERS NOT FOR ACTUAL GAMEPLAYERS.
Have you ever heard about gravimetrics?
Also, it is not only a chore, some people loves to mine...
Sorry, You guys are doing it wrong... go find some other way to get ISK.... or learn more about mining.... Sometimes it can be exciting! Especially FAR AWAY FORM HI SEC!!!
Although some random spawns of some new rare ore would be awesome!!! |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:49:00 -
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No, absolutely not.
I mine and manufacturer in Eve Online. I have seen the effects on how mineral prices effect the mining profession for years.
This will cause an already-under-appreciated career (mining) to be absolutely useless because the market will be so saturated in minerals that not only will the prices go down, but mining will be almost dead on its tracks. No one will mine because the return investment will not be worth it. At that point, it will be years before the market will recover.
Oh, and don't expect manufacturing to be so lucrative either. The price of manufacturing will always be tied to the mineral prices. People will eventually want to pay less as the minerals fall.
Let's take a good look at Crucible as an example:
When the Tier 3 battlecruisers came out, they were selling on the market for about 200-250mil ISK per ship. Manufacturers of course were just taking advantage of the brief rush to purchase as pod pilots clamored to get to them first. But the prices eventually settled to about 60-80mil per ship as more people realized that the cost to build such a ship is about 50mil when you take into account the mineral prices.
If the mineral prices drop by 900%, then so will the price of all other ships that are built with these building block of life. Manufacturing will not be worth it later on as the returns will not be enough to make up for the effort put into them. Sure, you can buy plenty of the minerals off the market, but you will find yourself selling a 80mil tier 3 battlecruiser for about 20mil.
Let's not forget the T2 ships. Their prices will drop as well, but will only go so low depending on how abundant moon-goo products will be. Of course, moon mining will probably be the only best industrial profession available one mining and manufacturing have both crashed to hell. Then more people will go to moon mining and crash that as well when moon-goo products begin to saturate the market.
What will be left then? PvE? Missioning will be the only lucrative profession and we all know how much ISK in NPC bounties will be pumped into the economy should everyone swarm to that profession.
TL;DR: Eve Economy will crash on almost all levels.
Again. No @ OP. |
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