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Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.28 09:52:00 - [1] Delete Skills :: " Wtf... are you crazy TK? " I cant be the only OCD pilot out their who has trained a number of skills over the last 4 years in mistake with no intention of taking the passed level 0 let alone level 4... some of them are useless skills that do not suit my chars direction, others are skills that are simply not in the game anymore / have no effect as they were never implemented as suggested @ the time they were seeded. I think its about time people be given the option to delete any skill they wish, this should have several layers of validation to confirm as people are stupid and will do this by accident of course, however other players such as myself who are OCD find looking at messy skill sheets physically frustrating when we need everything in our lifes to be clean and neat, alot of people in this game train every skill they plug in upto level 5 before moving onto another skill for this very reason. It isnt very practical , and it isnt the best way to skill a char, but people do it for a good reason, please support the players of eve-online by giving them the ability to remove skills as they wish please CCP. Another issue btw is removing of levels of a certain skill, in some cases its actually bad to have level 5 on certain skills, aka ... repair systems level 5, it lowers the duration of armor rep's to the point most amarr CR sized ships cant keep up with the cap use indefinitely unlike their shield tanking counter parts as a result of the skill been level 5, while at level 4 it holds nicely.. so in this case a dedicated pilot may want to remove the level of the skill. Now if we invest our time into traning something, and then remove it, it only hurts us as individual pilots, it gives us no unfair advantages over anyone else, so i dont see any reason why this wouldn't be considered for implementation ? Discuses :)
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:00:00 - [2] If it bothers you that much, then by all means lets have the "delete" skill levels. Personally it won't be a feature I'll use, but can't see it do any harm (besides account hacking, but thats harm anyways).
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:02:00 - [3] Thanks for the support :)
Finnroth Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:28:00 - [4] Undersigned, I can't stand to watch mining lvl 1 all the time while scrolling through the charakter sheet.
Niltiac	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:19:00 - [5] Completely agree :)
Zeoliter Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:27:00 - [6] Yep, agree. At least have it like a character termination where you delete it and then it gives you 24 hours to think about it and then delete it for real.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:03:00 - [7] /signed if you can find me some paracetamol --- Project Mayhem 2
Exile580	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:08:00 - [8] /signed
Lord Ploppy	Posted - 2007.09.29 14:58:00 - [9] /signed although would be nice to be able to put perhaps a percentage of points back to a 'pool' to spend again on other things
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.29 15:01:00 - [10] While the idea of a "points pool" is cool, it could be a fundermental issue and their for may mean that the orignal suggestion might not get taken as seriously as i hope it does. One thing at a time eh... In any case, im serious about this request, it would realy put alot of random people like myself at ease with their skill lists =) And i like the idea of making it so only 1 skill per 48 hours can be deleted, and it takes 24 hours to do so like the char selection screen, this would take away any fears the regular player may have about accidently doing it.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.09.29 15:26:00 - [11] Egads, I can't imagine ever wanting to forget a skill. I paid good ISK for that skillbook, even if I'll rarely if ever use that skill again, I'm not about to throw away both the book and the time it took to train. For those who complain about level 5 of a skill making a shield boost or armor rep work faster than the cap recharges..... gee, you'll have to pay attention to your cap a little more. If you really need the armor NOW, having that last level of skill may toast your cap, but your structure will survive. (perhaps long enough for you to get out of that situation by killing an aggressor or warping out) As for looks of the character sheet..... I have no help or advice for you. Perhaps professional help is in order. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.09.29 17:37:00 - [12] How about adding a "Right Click, Hide Skill"? Instead of deleting skills which you may find useful later, but don't want to see cluttering... however this doesn't solve your problem of overskilling armour repair.
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.29 19:50:00 - [13] Regardless of if you dont feel this is needed, you cant argue that it would effect you in a negative way if it was a feature, it can only add to what functionality is allready avalible to us in the skill list, it isnt taking anything away from you, you dont have to use it if you dont want too... I dont see the problem regardless of if u like the concept or not?
Draex Feros	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:35:00 - [14] I see no reason this should not be implemented. It would help a lot of people by providing a proper "feeling" for their character. Having skills that cut into the roleplay immersion of my character bothers me at times. Character tweaking in this way is a good thing and does not harm anyone else's gameplay.
Kanarue Shinohara	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Kanarue Shinohara on 30/09/2007 01:50:16 Wow, Mr. Monk, you have GOTTA be kidding me! But, since CCP could really use all that extra money, I recommend $2 to delete each skill. (Therefore, $20 if a player needs to delete 10.) An OCD will pay for it, because s/he can TIOLI. However, what about all of those accumulated skill points? I know what should happen to them - the skill-points from deleted skills should be applied toward the next skill you train, otherwise being saved in an "unused skill-point depository" of some sort in the meantime. Therefore, if you train a skill that takes 6 days, and you have 4 days worth of deleted skill-points, the trained skill wil be instantaneously sped up by 4 of those days, and therefore, you'll be finished in 1/3rd of the time. On the other hand, if you have 23 days worth of deleted skill-points, and train a skill that takes 16 days, you'll have a week's worth of skill-points left over to use in training another skill. Even when we delete skills, we ought to not waste those slowly-earned skill-points.
Nuri Aderynn Lutin Group	Posted - 2007.09.30 02:53:00 - [16] While I, personally, would love to be able to remove 'Mining I' from my skills list, I don't think CCP would implement this because: - They would get too many newbies deleting skills by mistake, then petitioning to get them back. Non-developers always over-estimate the intelligence of a customer base and under-estimate the time it takes to deal with them. - Adding extra options (and thus more potential bugs) when there is no obviously compelling reason to do so is just bad interface design. - Non-reversible features, even if they seem simple, are especially tricky if there are unintended consequences. Case in point: Originally by: Tempest Kane Another issue btw is removing of levels of a certain skill, in some cases its actually bad to have level 5 on certain skills, aka ... repair systems level 5, it lowers the duration of armor rep's to the point most amarr CR sized ships cant keep up with the cap use indefinitely unlike their shield tanking counter parts as a result of the skill been level 5, while at level 4 it holds nicely.. so in this case a dedicated pilot may want to remove the level of the skill. This is actually why this is a bad idea. If there's an existing issue in the game, you should fix the issue first, not add a non-reversible kludge to 'fix' it temporarily. Here is what would actually happen: 1. Hundreds of Amarr pilots discover the problem with Repair Systems 5. Rather than wait for a fix, they take the easy option and destroy a weeks' worth of training. 2. CCP fix the issue. Repair Systems 5 is no longer broken and is almost essential to getting a good tank performance. 3. The forums and petition system are now filled up with hundreds of "OMG give me back my skill points" posts. Since CCP were responsible for the problem in the first place it's not so easy to dismiss them out of hand. I'm sure you could come up with ways to get around these issues, but honestly, why bother? Apart from the one practical benefit you list (in reality a drawback) this is a purely cosmetic proposal that only a few people will use, and won't lose any sleep over anyway. I don't like to be the nay-sayer, I just don't think CCP would do this.
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.30 09:24:00 - [17] Why im not looking for Skill point recovery, at all Once again can i please say this thread is not about recovering skill points, this is about deleteing skills only. I do not care about reclaiming skill points, talking about that will only make it less likely that ccp will look into this issue at all, so can we leave that out for now please. For the third time, why people wont delete by accident... Their should be a 24 hour cool down period bettwen skills been set to be deleted and them actually been deleted, like the char deletion method. In addition their should be a 48 hour period bettwen each succesful skill deletions before another can take place. This will ensure NO mistakes are made, and their for add zero extra load to the GM's work. Thank you Thank you all for the support so far, but please can we stay on the topic of deletes rather than fancy concepts of getting your SP back, that is never going to happen as they will see it as unfair useage, but simply removeing skills (and we are just talking about level 1's and 2's here... to clean up the sheet, nobody will be removeing 4's or 5's lets be serious) their isnt much SP to reclaim anyway.. so its a none issue. Thank you.

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