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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:25:00 - [1] Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG With regard to the question on if I will be more present on the market forums the answer is; not really. The market forum is simply so active that if I would be contributing to that forum I could do little else. Rest assured though that I read those forums. No offense, but... WHAT ? So, you're reading them (so, you do spend a lot of time, as per your own admission they're quite lively) BUT can't be bothered to give us any feedback whatsoever, or ask questions, or... well... just... anything ? That's a quite dissapointing series of statements. We're not asking for anything like a point-by-point rebuttal of our wrong ideas, we're not asking you to make or break anything. We're merely asking you to give us a tiny bit of feedback every once in a while to THOSE threads you supposedly read. Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG The idea of making the data available for pilots is an interesting one. Being able to tap into the brainpower and knowledge of EVE residence by sharing some of the historical data could result in interesting analysis, interpretation and discussion on the economics of EVE. Perhaps this is something we should discuss at one of the round tables at the EVE Fanfest 2007. Or perhaps this is something that you could also discuss in a specific thread in the market forum. Or, heck, a WHOLE NEW subforum where you could drop in weekly and spend a couple of hours, give us some data/details/tasks and ask for theories/solutions. Also, you know, some people couldn't come to the fanfest even if they WANTED to. And to be honest, those you MIGHT want to have there for an interesting chat are the ones most unlikely to attend. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:43:00 - [2] IMHO we have more than enough newbies spamming this forum. Why add the useless as well? It's A GIRL!!!!!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:52:00 - [3] Because "the newbie" (as you call him) might just be the key element responsable for some of the "economic side" decisions in the game... that's why. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:32:00 - [4] Active or not, dropping the occasional thread or post takes minutes. No reason not to, really. At worst, you need to clarify later, and even then, something useful often comes up while people speculate. Even if people understand, doesn't mean that it was wasted. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard Better late than never! -Sahwoolo
Jaeger Orlofsson VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Shar Tegral IMHO we have more than enough newbies spamming this forum. Why add the useless as well? I'm waiting for a thread from him titled "Do you wish for growth?"
Block Ukx KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:51:00 - [6] Akita, Did you applied to the CCP economist position? Hmmà on second thought not a good idea. I can see you beating the dev with the keyboard for doing a crappie job. I can see the fire in your heart to improve the eve economy. Dr. EyjoG may have the knowledge but I think he lacks the passion you have for the eve economy. ItÆs really disappointing that he is not willing to engage in this forum.
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:59:00 - [7] I agree with akita.... So we have this new uber economist guy that is supposed to study the growth of the eve econmy and he doesn't want to interact with the people that are driving a portion of the growth? It's not like we has to reply to EVERY thread. An occaisional post to those that he finds interesting would be adequate. I see multiple posts from multiple players in multiple posts and I am pretty sure that they still get stuff done during the day other than read and post to the market dicussions. His comments just show how disinterested he actually is in what is going on in eve. 1 mil isk that he doesn't even post here to defend himself.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 12:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Block Ukx I can see you beating the dev with the keyboard for doing a crappie job. Carrot and stick more likely Free beer, no free beer, drink all other free beers around... stuff like that Originally by: Atherin Gaius 1 mil isk that he doesn't even post here to defend himself. I take that bet if you offer 1:20 odds _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
SencneS Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.28 13:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Akita T Carrot and stick more likely Free beer, no free beer, drink all other free beers around... stuff like that I tend to believe the ones who developer the deep coding into things like the economy are extreme geeks in multiple levels, like in Computer Programing, Accounting, Economics. These people don't go after common beer, they probably have Red Bull, and add two table spoons of coffee concentrate. And chew sugar coated Coffee beans as a treat! Amarr for Life
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 28/09/2007 14:49:33 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Atherin Gaius 1 mil isk that he doesn't even post here to defend himself. I take that bet if you offer 1:20 odds I will lay those odds. 20m is yours, Akita, if he posts in this thread. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:52:00 - [11] As far as I am concerned about the good doctor the following quote applies. "An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today." Laurence J. Peter (1919-1988) He, or more aptly his position is nothing more than smoke and mirrors from CCP trying to deflect their fundamental failure to address some of the most basic flaws in this game. Heck, when interface design is as bad as it is for as long as it has been I would be ashamed to have "CCP Employee" on my resume. Given time the Doc will come to realise this if he got his degree from anywhere other than a *****er jack box. But that is just my 2 cents. Taikun ----------------------------------- For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good.
Montaire Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.28 14:59:00 - [12] Honestly I kinda agree with him. Im under the impression that The Good Doctor(TM)'s job isnt to help the devs change the EVE Economy, but to observe it and report what he observes. I think the more he interacts with us the more his findings will become tainted or flawed by that interaction. His research would become the fruit of a posioned tree, to borrow a legal term I've been using at work all week. If, on the other hand, his job is to improve EVE's market, then he needs to interact more - a lot more.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:03:00 - [13] It would seem his role is limited to analysis as opposed to influence. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 15:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Akita T on 28/09/2007 15:56:29 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Atherin Gaius 1 mil isk that he doesn't even post here to defend himself. I take that bet if you offer 1:20 odds I will lay those odds. 20m is yours, Akita, if he posts in this thread. Edit: actually, that's a bet I can't win unless we specify a deadline of some sort. I'll give you until downtime on Monday. Care to make it my 100 mil vs your 1 bil and we extend the deadline until after the fanfest ? _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:32:00 - [15] i say we reprimand him for not posting....do we get on the rest of the devs this much when they dont post in threads? please, get over yourself.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.28 16:52:00 - [16] People should go over to the actual thread that he stated that in and make their thoughts known. He actually posts there... so there is tiny tiny tiny chance he would reply there. Plus when I brought up how disappointed I was in those comments in that thread a bunch of people who have never posted in this forum were telling me I was not speaking for this forum when I said how disappointed I was in his statement. I no longer have the link to that thread unfortunately, but I'm sure Akita or someone else here could post it for people to head over and share their thoughts in a place that our economist actually posts in. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:16:00 - [17] Behold the vast post history of CCP Dr.EyjoG, spanning the entirety of... two. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T Behold the vast post history of CCP Dr.EyjoG, spanning the entirety of... two. wtf is your point, they stated he was brought on to be an analyst. As far as we care, hes doing his job. Analysts in RL dont go out speaking on their findings every week, like you want him to. They release their findings at the end of their tenure. Again, you need to look past your selfish "omg i want info!!!" psyche and just wait to see what hes got to say. ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
jongalt	Posted - 2007.09.28 17:41:00 - [19] Edited by: jongalt on 28/09/2007 17:44:21 i would prefer dr. EygoG consider the market forums "impartially", rather than risk forming "relationships" through continued and sustained discussion of eve's economy. the risk for "social engineering" the good doctor for any one person's gain seems to outweigh the benefit of discussing the merits of akita's decryptor theory (for instance). im confidant he takes your posts very seriously, akita. however, there might be an "ethics" question we may not have considered with regard to discussing the economy in any specific way... im not asserting that is the case, but that it is worth considering as a possibility. -jg.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 18:07:00 - [20] Take his first "actual" devblog. What's the problem if he THEN posted a topic with, say, "these are the datadumps of mineral trades from EVE's start until two months ago". Then proceed with asking if his assertions in the devblog are right, and ask us about certain things he's not quite sure WHY exactly they happend as they happend. Chaos ensues, frantic posting in the thread, bla bla. Two weeks pass. He comes back in, posts a few quotes from the thread, says "this might be it, I need more info. Here's some more data". More chaos ensues, discussions flare to and fro. Again, two weeks pass. And he comes in again, redirects our efforts towards what's seeming more interesting TO HIM, at the moment. You know, something like that. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.28 18:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Akita T Take his first "actual" devblog. What's the problem if he THEN posted a topic with, say, "these are the datadumps of mineral trades from EVE's start until two months ago". Then proceed with asking if his assertions in the devblog are right, and ask us about certain things he's not quite sure WHY exactly they happend as they happend. Chaos ensues, frantic posting in the thread, bla bla. Two weeks pass. He comes back in, posts a few quotes from the thread, says "this might be it, I need more info. Here's some more data". More chaos ensues, discussions flare to and fro. Again, two weeks pass. And he comes in again, redirects our efforts towards what's seeming more interesting TO HIM, at the moment. You know, something like that. Exactly. We WANT him to use us. We want to have him tap our brains on topics he doesn't know very well yet. But he has refused to do so... so honestly the best policy at this point is to just act as though he isn't there. He isn't a dev, he is an economist. He isn't trying to improve the EVE economy, just report on it. He's made that fairly clear to me in his posting history (all 2 of them). Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.09.28 18:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Take his first "actual" devblog. What's the problem if he THEN posted a topic with, say, "these are the datadumps of mineral trades from EVE's start until two months ago". Then proceed with asking if his assertions in the devblog are right, and ask us about certain things he's not quite sure WHY exactly they happend as they happend. Chaos ensues, frantic posting in the thread, bla bla. Two weeks pass. He comes back in, posts a few quotes from the thread, says "this might be it, I need more info. Here's some more data". More chaos ensues, discussions flare to and fro. Again, two weeks pass. And he comes in again, redirects our efforts towards what's seeming more interesting TO HIM, at the You know, something like that. you do realize you DO take this game way too serious...i could swear you post your distaste and disappointment every time someone doesnt do things as per your liking. Keep in mind, its a game, if you think you can do a better job than they are doing then FFS apply to work at CCP??
Kilda Shepp Spartan Industrial Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.09.28 18:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T said stuff Although I would personally LOVE to see Datadumps of traded items like Minerals this information is too powerful to have. The little itty bitty information he gave in the IGN internview created some numbers like. With two numbers, 80 Trillion ISK in circulation, 1.5Trillion trade daily EVE wide. With Project similar to Dr. Slurms OCR project (here) you could come up with enough information on how much, where and when even purchase trends for any item. I saw the original charts in which TheForge was like 800% more then the surrounding areas. That information with the now "global" information about total amount traded and ISK in game gives you a LOT of information.
jongalt	Posted - 2007.09.28 18:39:00 - [24] well, to quote jake from "the sun also rises", "it would be pretty to think so." however, as you know, there is simply too much daylight between what we want and what we have. i can only assume he has his "reasons" be they "ethical" or otherwise...at this point id prefer to take him at "face-value" rather than search for a subtext that may or may not be present in his posts. cynicism has its place (and im not asserting you are being cynical, but that it could be interpreted that way), but at this point i'd be inclined to see it as "wounded sentimentality". -jg.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.09.28 19:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Shadarle He isn't a dev, he is an economist. He isn't trying to improve the EVE economy, just report on it. This is the reason I label the "good doctor" as useless. He will not be enhancing our game experience in any way. I'm quite sure that in his humble opinion he's wasting his valuable talents and training on a bunch of people who really need to get a life. After all, look at how quickly we get a few choice individuals from our own community saying that. Of course from my experience the guys that constantly say "it's just a game" tend to be the biggest whining ***es around but hey... they have to displace their guilt through the use of alts saying "its just a game". But, back on topic, the good doctor is doing a job. Most of the dev's are just as passionately into the "Eve" experience as we are. I say most as there are a few "dev" titled people like the doctor there who simply work for CCP. I guess the difference is some dev's are "Wow, that is sooo cool" and some are "Ka-ching, another paycheck". For me the latter are useless and that is where I categorize him. If I wanted to spend time with drones "clocking time" at work I can do that at work. Not here during recreation. It's A GIRL!!!!!**
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.28 19:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Krazy Bitsch if you think you can do a better job than they are doing then FFS apply to work at CCP?? I doubt they'd hire me, I'm too much of a "what your name says" _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.28 20:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Shadarle He isn't a dev, he is an economist. He isn't trying to improve the EVE economy, just report on it. This is the reason I label the "good doctor" as useless. He will not be enhancing our game experience in any way. I'm quite sure that in his humble opinion he's wasting his valuable talents and training on a bunch of people who really need to get a life. After all, look at how quickly we get a few choice individuals from our own community saying that. Of course from my experience the guys that constantly say "it's just a game" tend to be the biggest whining *****es around but hey... they have to displace their guilt through the use of alts saying "its just a game". But, back on topic, the good doctor is doing a job. Most of the dev's are just as passionately into the "Eve" experience as we are. I say most as there are a few "dev" titled people like the doctor there who simply work for CCP. I guess the difference is some dev's are "Wow, that is sooo cool" and some are "Ka-ching, another paycheck". For me the latter are useless and that is where I categorize him. If I wanted to spend time with drones "clocking time" at work I can do that at work. Not here during recreation. I disagree. He has value, just not a value which is immiediately beneficial to a majority of market people. This is unfortunet and for many of us, a depature from our expectations. I enjoyed his first blog post and I look forward to his second blog post in 2 days. If nothing else, he has entertainment value. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Tradesmark	Posted - 2007.09.28 22:19:00 - [28] What happens when you realize that he has access to data we don't as a community? He can look at everyone of our wallets and see exactly what we are buying/selling, when and where. Some of you may say "so what?" as some of you do alot of trading in Jita; but what about the people who use other more secretive ways of using the market? I.E. his view of the market can vary from a macro to micro level with no restrictions, and if he posted something on these forums he could unintentionally cause a major crises within the market. I ask you, when was the last time that one of the big name traders on this forum listed exactly what they are producing, buying, selling, transporting etc to the rest of the community? Not a damn one of you, which is why it is so hard for 'newbies' to get started in the trading aspect of the game. I all say is be careful what you wish for, because he might just find a way to knock some of you big time traders right off your pedistals
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.28 23:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Tradesmark I ask you, when was the last time that one of the big name traders on this forum listed exactly what they are producing, buying, selling, transporting etc to the rest of the community? Not a damn one of you, which is why it is so hard for 'newbies' to get started in the trading aspect of the game. Proton Power's Wallet Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.29 01:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Tradesmark I all say is be careful what you wish for, because he might just find a way to knock some of you big time traders right off your pedistals I For One Welcome Our New Overlords -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]

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