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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.02.18 11:48:00 -
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been quite for a little while....
whats happening with the lvl4's as metnioned by Papa last week when they nerferd Zor ?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.02.19 00:20:00 -
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Good question... Until missions become more hmmmmm challenging, I ain't doin the bleepin things.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Zinjan
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Posted - 2004.03.03 16:34:00 -
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I just heard from a GM that in a little more then a month they should be active 
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Mallus Kulov
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Posted - 2004.03.03 16:41:00 -
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That'll be a nice pay increase.
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.03.03 18:14:00 -
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well, you can still see them, so who knows what that ment when he said they wouldent be visible
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.03 19:30:00 -
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I just heard from a GM that in a little more then a month they should be active
a month ? and they wouldnt let us keep Zor.
papa implied heavly that along with the removal of Zor whould be the introduction of low level 4 missions.
not the full shebang but something to tide us over.
cpp makes you laugh...
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foster
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Posted - 2004.03.04 00:06:00 -
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they should give us lv4 agents asap. or put zor back as a lv3 agent mission and if your not good enough to do the mission don't take it on, get help from a friend or die!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.03.04 13:20:00 -
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a month ? and they wouldnt let us keep Zor.
papa implied heavly that along with the removal of Zor whould be the introduction of low level 4 missions.
not the full shebang but something to tide us over.
No he didn't. People chose to misunderstand what he said in that manner. He later clarified what he meant.
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Camar
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Posted - 2004.03.04 13:47:00 -
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Well, at least lvl 4 missions are coming...
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.04 18:15:00 -
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No he didn't. People chose to misunderstand what he said in that manner. He later clarified what he meant.
no people did not Mis-understand...they read it as it was said and no other way.
bit late to change your story after the event isnt it ?
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Exitwound
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Posted - 2004.03.04 18:47:00 -
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They removed Zor because he was killing players and apparently CCP saw too many complaints. It's obvious CCP is willing to err on the side of making the game easier and more "accessable." That's their direction right now.
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Viduus
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Posted - 2004.03.05 01:51:00 -
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I should expect that, although there are more advanced and difficult aspects to the game, each has its place, so there are no surprises per se.
Zor no more belonged with level 3 agents than PKers belong in Yulai... 
However, I do think it was inappropriate to introduce him into level 3 and then simply remove him with such a long delay in level 4 agents coming.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.08 16:59:00 -
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still waiting for someone at ccp to pull out thier finger and get on top of this.
dont you people at ccp know how to communicate ?
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Nikodaemonicus
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Posted - 2004.03.08 17:19:00 -
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Innevitable, nerf bat has arrived to this game too. Who does not remember that looong post about not removing Zor back? And then dev's tell us they do what majority of EVE population wants? don't joke me with that argument please, they will always do what they think it's best for "their" game.
First of all, they promised us lvl 4 and lvl 5 agents with Castor but, oh, it turned into "during Castor and before Shiva". no comments.
Then, when it was obvious we will not have those agents promised to us, we got some fun with Zor and "now dissapeared" Blood Sage Shadows (250k), but oh, they removed them as well.
And now, Papa told us our lovely lvl 4 agents are almost done, but only 4-5 missions are done for them. Hmmm. Are 4-5 missions enough for all EVE pleasures? No. I am telling this you. So agents are delayed to next "big" patch. We all know this happens every 2 months.
So Papa, I'm not telling you are a lier, but work with your corporation mate communications, as they are making you look like it.
I still can't understand why did you guys did a so bad movement removing Zor and Co. Still can't understand...
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.09 13:36:00 -
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the people are still asking....
how about some ansers ?
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.03.09 14:07:00 -
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Rancid Mare
In sheer annoyance and stupidity you rank only second to WhiteDwarf.
Papa Smurf already stated Zrakor is working on the Level 4 missions. He has given approx. launch and nothing more. The devs do communicate, but tbf that does not mean they will respond to every stupid post made demanding answers that has already been given on one way or another. They will come, try and have some freakin' patience. I'd much rather have the devs actually working on the Level 4 and other issues/implementations than answering stupid demanding posts like yours.
You are like a small child that lacks patience in the extreme, get a grip!
If you feel the pay and challenge of Level 3 is too low I suggst you go out and kill NPC battleships. Not only will you have to survive them but you will also have to survive all the nasty players that want nothing more than reduce you to your clone and take your stuff. How is that for a challenge?
I am getting so sick of the nagging, nag, nag, nag. Get over it, all things in due time!!!
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.03.09 15:39:00 -
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In sheer annoyance and stupidity you rank only second to WhiteDwarf.
Man, that's a bit harsh
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Swift
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Posted - 2004.03.09 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Swift on 09/03/2004 16:42:39
I'd rather him be harsh though than say nothing and let these boards slowly deteriorate into the something like the Everquest-Verant gankfest boards from a few years ago that were so pointless that they were then closed down and became moderated and much less open.
And that is for the top MMPORG bar none (regardless of ones personal views of that game). So really civility is something that needs to be maintained here instead of jumping at CCP's neck at every available opportunity over everything. May as well attempt to curb that sort of behaviour before it gets worse? (even if we arn't moderators ourselves).
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Pett Brenson
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Posted - 2004.03.09 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pett Brenson on 09/03/2004 19:23:19
Edited by: Pett Brenson on 09/03/2004 19:20:38
IMO CCP is working hard and doing a pretty fair job. Nothing is ever perfect. If you find the lvl 3 missions to easy try flying them in a frigate instead of a BS or a cruiser. Lost both a Merlin and a Kestral on kill mission I hadn't seen before last night. It was to a Caldari Navy Kestral that surprised me because it mounted guns as well as missles.
Myself I'd rather have them take their time, assuming that CCP has learned from earlier mistakes, and roll out the lvl 4 missions operating correctly.
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Posted - 2004.03.09 19:39:00 -
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According to the developement page, Lvl 4 Agents will give kill missions that are not soloable. Linkage
Eve is turning into Anarchy Online. The dev's are slapping the soloists in the face, as if their saying "we dont want you in OUR game".
They need an attitude adjustment. I dont 'team', didnt in AO and wont in Eve.
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
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Nomi Asterrn
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Posted - 2004.03.09 20:17:00 -
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Level 4 Agents
Level 4 Agents are the next step in the agent ladder. They will give out much harder missions. In the first step only kill missions are available. You will need to work in a team to fulfill a mission. It will not be possible to complete any level 4 agent mission with less than a battleship + friends. On the other hand reward and standing gain will be twice as high as for a level 3 agent.
Hmmm
I do agree , some.
I have been a lone corper from the beginning and have two NPC corps at 9.0+ and many above 4.0+ and may have access to a number of level 4 when they come online.
It will annoy me but thats life in Eve.
You have to adapt and overcome.
I see I will either have to max my other corps all the level three and have them all at 9.0 (as a way to make my isk and living ) Or MAYBE I open the doors to my corp , or maybe I pay the odd contract fee to others.
I have done this in the past through laziness, fear (number of pod kills in certain systems) or when I think I can spread some isk to a develeoping player.
Like most issues you can pay to get around it !!! 
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.03.09 20:25:00 -
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I doubt CCP hate solo players. The development post states that only kill missions will be available from the start and that you will only be able to complete them with Battleships and friends. I assume 1 Battleship with support will do.
I do not see anything about other missions such as courier and mining beeing off-limit to solo players.
With that beeing said I do not see how it will hurt solo players. You will obviously not be able to do it at your own leisure, but the EVE universe is vast and I am fairly sure one can find fellow players to do these missions with.
I know I will look into finding some people interested in doing these kill missions.
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Cirle
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Posted - 2004.03.09 21:37:00 -
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With that beeing said I do not see how it will hurt solo players. You will obviously not be able to do it at your own leisure, but the EVE universe is vast and I am fairly sure one can find fellow players to do these missions with.
I know I will look into finding some people interested in doing these kill missions.
Actually, as a slightly tangential but very serious point, how does the 'battleship + friends' statement map into the escalating difficulty of missions, as to be honest, level 3 kill missions are a joke in terms of difficulty once you get used to them, as the worst you get (in my experience) is two mid level cruisers or one high level cruiser; jumping from that to 'bs + friends' does not really sound like a smooth transition?
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.03.09 21:50:00 -
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yes, and if your good enough you can do 2 guristas infernos in a frigate, where an inexperenced player can die in a tier 3 cruiser. this game has some reliance on skill, and some on experence. I would imagine that the missions will be multiple ships, rather than larger ships. pethaps a 250k with 4 50-80k escorts. to an experenced pilot this wont be too much, but to your average agent runer, it could be a serious challenge.
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mOULf
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Posted - 2004.03.09 21:57:00 -
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i agree the transition is not smooth at all.
If you need BS+friends, what will you need for level 5 agents
and that only for twice the reward?? there is something wrong in this.
I'm currently bored at doing mission for my high standing level 3 agents in a cruiser, but still can't do Zor style mission. I think we need something intermediate for level 4 , that an experience cruiser pilot could do.
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Cirle
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Posted - 2004.03.09 22:19:00 -
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Well, the original discussions on agent tiering many moons ago indicated that there should be low level and high level missions at tier four, which was taken to mean that the low level ones could probably be solo'd (multiple high cruiser spawn type style) and the harder ones would require great skill or a group, or both. Which sounded really great, as then you could just decline the hard ones you could not do... but if they are all going to be that hard, you have a lack of transition.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.03.09 23:47:00 -
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ok thatĘs nice to know about lvl4's and they will probably not be as great as everyone seems to make them to be...
MY Q is WHEN will we be able to have a challenge with SOLO lvl3's or lvl4? in a BS? i mean what good is for agent missions if you dont need to use one to kill the NPC's with? ya its good for other stuff but its lame that you cant use it to its full power for agent missions, i mean the req
why will there be such a big gap between lvl3 and lvl4?? lvl3 quite easy and due able in a cruiser... lvl4 need more then few ppl to do agents?
anyone else see that gap there?
why is it so hard for them to say, if you are in a BS you get harder kill missions, they could have done this now and put back the harder NPC's for the lvl3's and for the cruiser players they would never get those.
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 03:27:00 -
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I'm willing to bet that the level 4 missions will be about as hard with a BS as the level 3 kill missions are with a tier 1 or 2 Cruiser. It'll be a little bit risky, but still soloable.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rancid Mare on 10/03/2004 19:29:39
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Rancid Mare
In sheer annoyance and stupidity you rank only second to WhiteDwarf.
Papa Smurf already stated Zrakor is working on the Level 4 missions. He has given approx. launch and nothing more. The devs do communicate, but tbf that does not mean they will respond to every stupid post made demanding answers that has already been given on one way or another. They will come, try and have some freakin' patience. I'd much rather have the devs actually working on the Level 4 and other issues/implementations than answering stupid demanding posts like yours.
You are like a small child that lacks patience in the extreme, get a grip!
If you feel the pay and challenge of Level 3 is too low I suggst you go out and kill NPC battleships. Not only will you have to survive them but you will also have to survive all the nasty players that want nothing more than reduce you to your clone and take your stuff. How is that for a challenge?
I am getting so sick of the nagging, nag, nag, nag. Get over it, all things in due time!!!
any reasons why a Polaris didnt lock this as a troll/flaming etc ?
have you got nothing better to do than brown nose ?
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In sheer annoyance and stupidity you rank only second to WhiteDwarf.
not knowing who this person is i cant really comment.
different people are annoyed by different things..
me for instance...i just cannot stand brown nosing butt kissing suckky suckky to the boss people. drives me mental.
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I'd much rather have the devs actually working on the Level 4 and other issues/implementations than answering stupid demanding posts like yours.
dude all i have ever requested is to know whats going on.
thats all...i didnt demand anything..only to be kept informed..
something that im sure every one wants and something i do not feel is at all unreasonable.
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You are like a small child that lacks patience in the extreme, get a grip!
got many children have you ? i have 3 of them and the patience required in dealing with them is highly demanding.
but in this case im not dealing with kids and when i think people are not pulling their weight i will have no issues with bugging them to do so.
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If you feel the pay and challenge of Level 3 is too low I suggst you go out and kill NPC battleships. Not only will you have to survive them but you will also have to survive all the nasty players that want nothing more than reduce you to your clone and take your stuff. How is that for a challenge?
at which point did i argue for more pay ?
seen as you obviously feel the need to personaly endure all my posts...
i have done my fair share of NPC-ing and have met many a nasty player in 0.0
whats your point ?
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I am getting so sick of the nagging, nag, nag, nag. Get over it, all things in due time!!!
thats just too bad for you.
you dont need to read anything i post, but then again i suppose you need someone to sound off agaisnt..make yerself look good...all the better if can brown nose at the same time ah ?
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.03.10 19:18:00 -
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Another thing that im worried is that if they do make it hard but the reward sucksą who will do them? I mean why bother your friends or corp members to do the lvl4 missions together when the reward isnĘt worth it? And if they are hard and risk is always higher as well, why would you risk losing your BS or something like that?
That I donĘt like, knowing CCP it might be good at start and then get nerfed and ppl will come here and say how its not worth it and all that time has been wasted getting them etcą
I just wish they would balance them out, not start nerfing others so they come out with a new oneą seems that lvl3s were nefed because lvl4Ęs are on the way? And too many careless ppl went out and lost ships? And that is a reason for CCP to change the game for everyone? Esp now that agents detect what ship you fly and give you missions based on that and the items you have fitted on it as wellą
I donĘt see why things are not balanced well.
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