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Curzon Dax The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:12:00 - [1] Dodiez and I were sitting here complaining to each other about how bored we were, and I figured I would inquire to the general community: I'm in the middle of my first war. Our little corp was wardecced by a mercenary corp "The Diabolic Abstraction." At first glance, they severely outnumber us, so we hired mercenaries for support, expecting a rollicking good time, constant pew-pew, and nerve wracking action. Day 1 of the war: We asked them for a brawl - our strength was 2 cruisers and 4 frigates. We went to lowsec, and they came with an interceptor and a Huggin - we killed both. A cloaking Apocalypse entered system and cloaked, a Nighthawk came and camped a gate two systems over, and after about 4 more hours of waiting around for them to summon up strength and annihilate us, we went to bed. Day 2 of the war: We sat outside of the stations where they were docked (4-5 of us) and played cards. They entered our public channel and smacked. Lots. About how we were Gy, R-tarded little b*ches (insert lots of bad words). We started banning them from out public channel for being kiddies. Day 3 of the war: 2 of our mercs got popped, no more action seen. Lots more watching them sit in stations. Also more smack. Day 4 of the war (today): More smack from these guys about how they taught our mercs what real mercs are like and they're going to wtfpwn us. I asked them for a fight, a 1v1, my Arazu vs his (Getumzz) Tempest and uncloaked. He docked. This isn't a personal rant about the guys who wardecced us; I'm frustrated about the prosecution of this war. Its my first war, I was expecting rampant violence and bloodshed and am sitting here frustrated and quite unhappy, simply because the war consists of smacktalk and boredom. Is this representative of Empire wars? Is this an anomaly? This is my first time "embracing PvP" outside of my Battleship Championship and I'm really feeling like I'm being cheated out of fun. For the community at large - is this typical or atypical? Day 3
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:35:00 - [2] station hugging, gate ganks, and noobships/shuttles ftw!
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:36:00 - [3] War sucks, go pirate --- Project Mayhem 2
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:37:00 - [4] its about what you can expect from empire wars Join The Fight With Promo Today
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 30/09/2007 01:44:59 Some pvp, against some people is exactly like that, the most satisfying pvp is to be had in 0.0 where people HAVE to undock and fight you or you can make a serious dent in their empire, or my absolute favourate (might be good with your corp) take a small group of fast ships (cepters and the like) and go run through their systems, with decent skills you can take down a bs with 4-5 intercepters. Look for small gangs of theirs kill one then run. Scan down their ratters as you enter a system, kill one then run. Kill all their miners. Make no part of a massive empire safe. I believe from what I know of your corp your all about the cov-ops, i'm all about my cepters personally but I can think of at least half a dozen tactical advantages you could use in well thought out gangs against a 0.0 empire to seriously annoy them and actually make yourself felt. Think a little out the box, and wardec people worth wardeccing, i've never heard of that merc corp you've decced, its a indication that its probably not worth doing in my opinion. Edit : If you absolutely must dec a empire corp/alliance i'd recommend the bigger alliances = more targets. Do some research first, work out their logsitical routes and paths most travelled before doing it. Never dec for more than a week if you have the choice (in my line of work you don't)
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:44:00 - [6] depends on many factors. Some wars are fun, some are crushing, some are boring, some are the best thing you've ever done. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:46:00 - [7] CCP should make it so that if a war target is docked, the station becomes poppable Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny CCP should make it so that if a war target is docked, the station becomes poppable 'Sorry concord, I was just shooting at him in the docking bay, and I hit the ships reactor. You know, ever since SW: Episode 1, people thought that was an awesome place to store them, because it was in a movie. You dont believe me? Aw ' --- Project Mayhem 2
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart I believe from what I know of your corp your all about the cov-ops, And Force Reacons do open up some nice possibilities. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Curzon Dax The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 30/09/2007 01:44:59 Some pvp, against some people is exactly like that, the most satisfying pvp is to be had in 0.0 where people HAVE to undock and fight you or you can make a serious dent in their empire, or my absolute favourate (might be good with your corp) take a small group of fast ships (cepters and the like) and go run through their systems, with decent skills you can take down a bs with 4-5 intercepters. Look for small gangs of theirs kill one then run. Scan down their ratters as you enter a system, kill one then run. Kill all their miners. Make no part of a massive empire safe. I believe from what I know of your corp your all about the cov-ops, i'm all about my cepters personally but I can think of at least half a dozen tactical advantages you could use in well thought out gangs against a 0.0 empire to seriously annoy them and actually make yourself felt. Think a little out the box, and wardec people worth wardeccing, i've never heard of that merc corp you've decced, its a indication that its probably not worth doing in my opinion. Edit : If you absolutely must dec a empire corp/alliance i'd recommend the bigger alliances = more targets. Do some research first, work out their logsitical routes and paths most travelled before doing it. Never dec for more than a week if you have the choice (in my line of work you don't) We didn't dec them, they decced us. Which is why the inability to get a fight is so frustrating.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Curzon Dax Is this representative of Empire wars? I would say pretty much, yes. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:54:00 - [12] I say hunt them down...use locater agents to find out where they base themselves and hunt them down, make it so that none of them will undock with you in local. Curzon Dax, the singing carebear no more! Curzon Dax, the man whose fist of justice is swift and capable of warping while cloaked. --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.09.30 01:56:00 - [13] but when theres 1 of you in local and 3 of them they are to afraid to undock!
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.30 02:55:00 - [14] War is boring, be it in Empire or 0.0 No two ways about it... 99 hours of absolute boredom cut by 60 one-minute slices of absolute chaos. In eve war is only approached 1 way: Complete gankage or complete dock/cloak/POS smacktalkage. If one side cant WTFPWN the other in seconds then neither will engage, even if the releative strength of all forces is equal and the outcome not immediately apparent. I gave up war... too boring, of the many boring things Eve has to offer. Unfortunately it's the best MMO out there. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Kain De'Stroi Epic.	Posted - 2007.09.30 03:17:00 - [15] think empire wars are frustrating already?, good curzon, your on the right path. you will be a pirate whitin a year -------- Boost Amarr and I will conquer the Universe - you been warned
Flamewave Scorn Again.	Posted - 2007.09.30 03:27:00 - [16] I've had good wars, I've had lame wars, sometimes within the same war. Try tricking them into fighting. Use bait, be creative. __________
Dimitry Kalashnikov Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.09.30 03:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Kain De'Stroi think empire wars are frustrating already?, good curzon, your on the right path. you will be a pirate whitin a year I personally can't wait to see him in low sec. ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.09.30 03:59:00 - [18] War sucks, you should buy me a Rook instead. ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.09.30 04:01:00 - [19] Find out who there alts are. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.30 04:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Luigi Thirty War sucks, you should buy Amarria Black a few dozen Bhaalgorns instead. FTFY
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.30 05:01:00 - [21] You have no idea how truly boring war can be, that is unless it's more of a crusade then a war. In which case we all get blessed by the battle pope so we go on to further our unholy wars to cleanse the world o0f all that is holy which is us we are the holy ones.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.30 15:14:00 - [22] I'd help you with it but you ignored me in local yesterday 1987.08.31 00:29:09 Combat Your Smooth Criminal perfectly strikes Annie, wrecking for A Crescendo.
Paktieth Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:29:00 - [23] ahhhh...long hours of frustration punctuated by brief spells of hope and occasional stabs of adrenaline fueled violence. Eve war is fine if you have good corpies on TS :-)
Asestorian Minmatar Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:45:00 - [24] Your war is boring because the people who wardec'd you thought it would be some easy kills. It wasn't. So now they have no idea what to do and can't be bothered to fight you. --- ---
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:52:00 - [25] At least they have the good sense in staying docked, this whole docking game is utterly lame and should be given priority. Also Known As
Curzon Dax The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.30 17:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: Kain De'Stroi think empire wars are frustrating already?, good curzon, your on the right path. you will be a pirate whitin a year I personally can't wait to see him in low sec. I've been in lowesec for almost a month hunting. :) Then we got wardecced and I was all freaked out and excited about war. Last night, we decided to pretend that the war doesn't exist and go back to our usual things. And if any wartargets show up, we'll deal with it.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Asestorian Your war is boring because the people who wardec'd you thought it would be some easy kills. It wasn't. So now they have no idea what to do and can't be bothered to fight you. This.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:17:00 - [28] Empire wars? Yep, docking games, sadly - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:31:00 - [29] Empire war sux, they try to prey on some silly little noobcorp and when they find out the silly little noobcorp isn't so silly nor little they.. well.. cancel the war impo ccp should remove corpwar from empire entirely cuz it's not war, it's annoying but hey what do i know, i'm just a carebear anyways to the op, if they cancel the war, u should wardec em back for a while CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:33:00 - [30] You know, here's what you should do: 1. Move to an NPC controlled part of 0.0 that is relatively busy, and set up a base in an npc station. 2. Don't be blue with anyone. 3. Run around, be stealthy, and pick off every target you can, like good Ninjas, while dodging the big fleets. 4. You will have a nice state of constant war with lots of fights and and lots of targets. And if the targets dry up, just move to a different npc area.
Dirk Magnum Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.09.30 18:38:00 - [31] From my experience on the receiving end of Empire wars, the only reason small corps get decc'd is because the attacker has a lot of disposable income and a desire to shoot what they think will be easy targets without sec status loss. In all cases except one, we came out on top by doing the following: 1. Hide from the enemy until a predetermined time and date when the majority of your corp's active members log on en masse. Use the time before that to figure out where your enemy is operating from. 2. Jump as a group into the system and hold fast outside of the station the majority of your enemies are in. 3. Wait. Don't smack talk, don't leave the area, just wait. 4. Lock and attempt to engage any enemy who tries to exit the station. Do not split up your group for any reason, even if you [you think] can get an easy kill. And that's really it. Just do that one or two times. Once the enemy sees that you can do this, they have, in my experience, just let the timer run out on the war decc without seriously trying to engage you again. Remember, chances are the only reason they decc'd you in the first place was for "easy targets". Prove you're anything but, and they give up and move along.
Dax Jarvanus	Posted - 2007.09.30 20:02:00 - [32] Use an interdictor to bubble the station.. other than that, i dunno.. maybe you can be sneaky and bait them.. there are many things to do, other than meeting at high noon in front of stations.... listing them would be pointless, but, be creative.. you said you fly a recon ship, USE it.. instead of uncloaking and saying lets fight, use the ability to cloak to your advantage, fit a prototype cloak, and uncloak and get points on the bastard and web him.. then he's yours!!!
Nico13 The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.09.30 22:30:00 - [33] I will make only 1 post to shake out some inconsistancies: Day 1 of the war: We asked them for a brawl - our strength was 2 cruisers and 4 frigates. We went to lowsec, and they came with an interceptor and a Huggin - we killed both. A cloaking Apocalypse entered system and cloaked, a Nighthawk came and camped a gate two systems over, and after about 4 more hours of waiting around for them to summon up strength and annihilate us, we went to bed. 2007.09.24 13:40 The Diabolic Abstraction has declared war on The Ninja Coalition. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. According to your employment history, you were not a member of Ninja Coalition at this time. In fact you were not involved in the beginning 4 days of the war. Who is this we? I was not present at this encounter so I will not comment on how it went. I can only observe from your post that they asked for a fight, and they got one. We fought, even though we were outnumbered and lost. After doing so it seems we chose not to hand you more kills instead of fighting on against superior numbers. Such is war. Day 2 of the war: We sat outside of the stations where they were docked (4-5 of us) and played cards. They entered our public channel and smacked. Lots. About how we were Gy, R-tarded little bches (insert lots of bad words). We started banning them from out public channel for being kiddies. You seem a bit confused here. I remember being in Hek with 2 other corpmates, while 7 or 8 of the Ninja Coalition sat in stations as we BEGGED for a fight. Yes, I admit that we smacked up your channel fairly well, but in that case we were the ones outnumbered and Ninja Coalition refused to fight. You were in that channel as a member of a different corp that day. You had not yet hired your merc corp to come to your aid, and were indeed afraid to engage us. 2007.09.27 09:32 Maelstrom Crew has declared war on The Diabolic Abstraction. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Day 3 of the war: 2 of our mercs got popped, no more action seen. Lots more watching them sit in stations. Also more smack. This day your merc corp underestimated us. They came in thinking we wouldnÆt be watching. They brought all close range ships. They sat outside the undocking tube of the station waiting for us to undock as we came in at range and picked them off. We picked who we sent in and who stayed out of it. As more of our members logged on, they disengaged and headed out. We persued. They took the rancer route back to Faurent, docked and logged. All dressed up and no one to play with, we went after other war targets. you arenÆt our only dance partner. Day 4 of the war (today): More smack from these guys about how they taught our mercs what real mercs are like and they're going to wtfpwn us. I asked them for a fight, a 1v1, my Arazu vs his (Getumzz) Tempest and uncloaked. He docked. This day you strolled yourself into the system in your cloaker and talked big about wanting a 1 v 1 fight while our corp had 5 members online. Of course we had eyes in the system right next to us. We saw the fleet of 18 heavy ships with support on the gate waiting to hear from you. Again you insulted us with lame tactics and by trying to bait us into a very obvious trap. This isn't a personal rant about the guys who wardecced us; I'm frustrated about the prosecution of this war. Its my first war, I was expecting rampant violence and bloodshed and am sitting here frustrated and quite unhappy, simply because the war consists of smacktalk and boredom. I understand that as a Bard by trade, your nature is to embellish and take poetic license with the truth, but please, keep that stuff to songs and such. Tell the truth here. Oh, and post with your main, will ya? _____________________________________ We all enter the universe the same way. Naked, screaming, and covered in blood. If you live well, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop there.*
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.10.02 02:50:00 - [34] Mine all consist of "Oh snaps, they war deced us, let's all run and hide!!!" Making it very straining on our locater agents... If you are doing the war decing it would be useful to find out as much as possible beforehand so you can easily locate most of their corp members without trying to hunt down a phantom alt CEO in hope of seeing another member and then chasing him. Low-sec and 0.0 piracy is much more fun, to be honest. Wars pay the bills if conducted right, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.02 04:05:00 - [35] I remember my first war...looks up with that waynes world type of watery flowy memory thingy going by We were in a two man corp, and got wardecced by an almost 50 man corporation due to "personal reasons". "We can't take it anymore! Fall back! Fall back!" "Sir! We must hold this position or our troops will never make it across that battl" Me: Do we really have to watch this old "band of brothers 20k" movie again?? Corpmate: Well we have Debbie Does Bob, Bob Goes Ski'ing, Brotherhood of the Bob, Bob II: The Two Bobs, Bob III: Return of the Bob... Me: No more Bob movies, it's like this Bob is the new black. It'll never stick i tell you. Corpmate: Should we start hauling the ore? Me: Sure. We undock our haulers and warp to the nearest gate, leaving behind two enemy soldier:: Enemy 1: Come fight! Argh! Enemy 2: What the flarn! WCS? On a hauler?! What the flarn!! Enemy 3: You cowards! Me: Still shouting i see. Corpmate: YEah, wonder how long they plan on keeping this "war" on. wavey flowy waynes world thingy Fun times really. We kept on mining, hauling, hunting rats and such, all while having a whole corporation trying to kill us. Our losses 0, their losses 0, they decced and quit after a week or so, i think we won My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.10.02 04:17:00 - [36] Trust me, not all wars are like that. THe mercs sucked, plain and simple. Any half way respectable force would camp you in station most of the day. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.02 05:01:00 - [37] Generally Curzon, I would say yes. Most empire wars are this frustrating. The first and only empire war I showed for devolved into this: 2 target carriers hugging station with a large BS gang, fighters popped, sending them at our mixed cruisers/HACs. Would not break station hug for 5:1 odds. Privateers had it right with empire wars, but generally they're just infinitely more boring than 0.0. (So infinity^2 times more boring than low sec piewacy).
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.02 09:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Nico13 According to your employment history, you were not a member of Ninja Coalition at this time. In fact you were not involved in the beginning 4 days of the war. Who is this we? I was not present at this encounter so I will not comment on how it went. I can only observe from your post that they asked for a fight, and they got one. We fought, even though we were outnumbered and lost. After doing so it seems we chose not to hand you more kills instead of fighting on against superior numbers. Such is war. some people have "jobs" within eve that sometimes force them to join another corp for awhile. hence why we wanted to go to lowsec. Quote: You seem a bit confused here. I remember being in Hek with 2 other corpmates, while 7 or 8 of the Ninja Coalition sat in stations as we BEGGED for a fight. Yes, I admit that we smacked up your channel fairly well, but in that case we were the ones outnumbered and Ninja Coalition refused to fight. You were in that channel as a member of a different corp that day. You had not yet hired your merc corp to come to your aid, and were indeed afraid to engage us. I think i remember this. there where 2 of us "active" and not afk for work (during this, we have been logging in and afk'ing, to frustrate you guys) Quote: Maelstrom Crew has declared war on The Diabolic Abstraction. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Day 3 of the war: 2 of our mercs got popped, no more action seen. Lots more watching them sit in stations. Also more smack. This day your merc corp underestimated us. They came in thinking we wouldnÆt be watching. They brought all close range ships. They sat outside the undocking tube of the station waiting for us to undock as we came in at range and picked them off. We picked who we sent in and who stayed out of it. As more of our members logged on, they disengaged and headed out. We persued. They took the rancer route back to Faurent, docked and logged. All dressed up and no one to play with, we went after other war targets. you arenÆt our only dance partner. no idea. we where wardec'd from 3 different corporations. we figured we needed the "backup". Me personally? I'm not sure, as we haven't had a full on engagement yet. Quote: This day you strolled yourself into the system in your cloaker and talked big about wanting a 1 v 1 fight while our corp had 5 members online. Of course we had eyes in the system right next to us. We saw the fleet of 18 heavy ships with support on the gate waiting to hear from you. Again you insulted us with lame tactics and by trying to bait us into a very obvious trap. we where hoping for a full engagement, and he also requested a full on engagement from your ceo, which was, afaik, actually planned, but ended up being a no-go. on a side note about this, the only fighting i've seen are requested "duels" (and yes, I lost my one duel, gd internet connection dropped just as i engaged ), and the one fight where i chased an astarte. I haven't seen him undock since , but he seems ok. whatever. As for the OP, I suppose it depends on who is wardec'ing who, and their objectives. As for this war, I'm pretty sure they wardec'd us for the "cool" factor, and then saw our fighting methods. Either that, or that other corp hired them (WRU??) Yes, this war is boring. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) http://dl

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