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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.10.01 16:32:00 -
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 Originally by: LaVista Vista
I have only 1 affiliation to TCCS, is the fact that know ricdic, and i rent his thanatos bpo.
Take it or leave it. Its your call.
I won't deny LV has been complaining in MSN for the last 2 weeks about how capital profits have been dropping. I am more in the freighter industry, who's profits are also dropping but don't seem to be as bad as LV's. Now I know nothing of his build costs, sale costs etc, just how much he has complained about them well before this post existed.
Either way, LV was spot on regarding the BPO's. Buying one of each will screw you over faster than a used car salesman could. You need to carefully evaluate precisely what capital ships you want to build, and then determine number of components it requires compared to those the bpo churns out. Some capital component bpos will support 2-7 capital ships, whilst others may need multiple comp bpo's to support a single ship.
This research is critical, and should be undertaken by your research division well before even considering a public corporation. I see it was an oversight but recommend you work on that before pushing this too far.
You should also have your marketting division scour the WTS forums for capital ships, look at the prices they are going for, look at the timeframes they exist for before being sold, and the likes. Check contracts, markets and the likes. Buying pre-built components off the market can easily result in a complete financial loss as they tend to have a 1m markup on build cost (not counting any market fees you may incur).
Be aware of the trit-heavy mineral prices, and make sure you carefully calculate build cost and profit margins on these ships, bearing in mind that you add their 10-11 day build time to the equation, and the fact that all capital ships are tritanium intensive, meaning that with normal ships and modules they hold a general balance, but with capitals/freighters they require far more tritanium concentrations than their other counterparts.
This means that in times when trit prices skyrocket, regardless of the decline on other minerals you will be the worst hit. This is already happening but a lot of freighter and capital pilots are still foolishly driving the prices down due to market saturation, not realising how close they are going to removing their profit margins completely.
Plus, one cannot ignore the latest economic blog that specifically speaks of the planned removal of the shuttle tritanium cap, which may result in trit prices reaching phenomenal levels.
One could follow the good Doctor Economy's advice and focus more on Raven production for a likely far higher profit margin with less than 1/5'th of the capital required.
Either way, don't take this as a deterent to capital production. If that's what you want to do, go for it. Take it as a warning to study your plans extremely carefully before going too far.
Best of luck with the operation.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.01 18:16:00 -
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As a completely outside observer I can tell you that the Capital market is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE market to get into right now. I ran my own personal capital production for a short while and I got out after less than 3 months. I barely made it out with any profit and that was before prices dropped even further. What made it worse was that it took so damn long to build things that the actual profits were far worse than you'd think. Sure, seeing a 100 mil or 200 mil profit on a single item seems great. But when it takes 2-3 weeks to build that item it is far less great. I personally would rather make 3-5% profits multiple times a day than 10% profits once every two weeks.
I specifically did not invest in LV's IPO because I knew how bad the market was from first hand experience. I believe I even made posts in his initial thread detailing my skepticism, as did Ionia if I recall correctly.
All that being said, you seem dead-set on launching a cap production IPO. Why on earth is it being done as 3 separate corps? Clearly all your "inside" investors have already chosen on corp to invest in... it seems they would have picked the most profitable of the three. Why would anyone want to invest in the less profitable corps?
You'd be far better off combining this into a single corp asking for 70-80 billion ISK than 3 asking for 20-25 each. I for one would never give you a penny no matter what your business plan if you had 3 corps as you do now, instead of a single one.
Finally, if you are indeed set on doing this... do it correctly. Don't just go in like a total noob to capital production. Pick 2 freighters, 2 dreads, and 2 carriers to start with. Or even 1 of each. Then read the part requirements for each and write them all down. Then add up all those parts and figure out how many of everything you will need if you wanted to be in full production. Then buy more BPO's of the parts you will need more of.
If you refuse to post the new #'s of BPO's you will be buying then I don't see why any remotely savvy investor would give you a penny of theirs as they'd be throwing their investment away IMO. An IPO the size of yours is not something to be undertaken by someone who doesn't understand the very market they are intending to enter.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.10.02 01:50:00 -
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I'm surprised I haven't seen this part touched on yet:
Quote:
Price Per Share
Freelancers Inc. û 14,000 ( 4.61% divident / month )
Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 250,000 ( 5.00% divident / month )
Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 2,500,000 ( 4.56% divident / month )
Those dividends are really on the weak end of the spectrum when compared to other investment opportunities that are still available.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:01:00 -
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I'm curious... did this IPO get scrapped... or what? I was hoping to get a counter-argument, or some updates, or something. If not then that is really quite sad as there seemed to be so much time spent on all the colors!
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04
i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now.
maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used?
edited: typo
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:35:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04
i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now.
maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used?
edited: typo
Indeed, it appears the people who most often use the term have no idea of what it means.
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.10.03 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Quadria
Payouts on shares :
Freelancers Inc. [UMTA2]
126 ISK per week ( Monday ) + 100 ISK per month ( 1th of the month )
Freelancers Inc. Research Division [FIRD]
12,500 ISK per month ( 1th of the month )
Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division [FIMD]
3,750 ISK per day
if it happens we canÆt make the daily payment 2 payments will be done the next day
The non-distributed profits will be fed back into further BPO acquisition.
please clear up how that payout works? Is that amount PER SHARE? because when i do the calculations on 400mil total invested im coming up with 205k in dividends. that seems HARDLY worth my investment. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.03 21:41:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Ionia
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04
i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now.
maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used?
edited: typo
Indeed, it appears the people who most often use the term have no idea of what it means.
Bleh, this is just about semantics. IPO is far quicker and easier to type than business or company or corporation or any other term you could use to identify it.
But in this case they appeared to be offering their business to customers as an investment opportunity and it seemed that since they had not yet started up this business that it was just starting. Thus the term Initial Public Offering seems to fit. This is the first time I've seen them post about this business on this forum and the sales thread on the sell orders forum was started recently too.
So excuse me if my term doesn't fit... but my question still stands and I think everyone here knows exactly what it was I was asking.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.03 21:50:00 -
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the op used 'ipo extension' as the title.
i was just pointing out that they have been around, and issuing divs, for a while now. and that going into the cap business has always been a part of their plans.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.03 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
the op used 'ipo extension' as the title.
i was just pointing out that they have been around, and issuing divs, for a while now. and that going into the cap business has always been a part of their plans.
Indeed. But Ionia seemed to be implying that anyone who uses the term IPO willy nilly has no clue what it actually means. Even though it does indeed make sense here.
But this is off topic, I'd like to get back on topic and get a reply about this IPO's status.
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