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Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:12:00 - [1] UMTA. [UMTA2]-[FIMD]-[FIRD] IPO -Chapter 1 - Summary of UMTA -Chapter 2 - The Business Plan -Chapter 3 - Statement of Assets -Chapter 4 - IPO Share Prizes, Dividends -Chapter 5 - FAQ Chapter 1 - Summary of United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance. Freelancers Inc. ( Original Corporation ) [UMTA2] This corporation was created when I started playing eve abouth 3 years ago. on 2007.06.01 I created the Alliance UMTA with 2 new corporations Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division [FIMD] This corporation is run by one of my ALTs as CEO to place buy orders & sell orders in various systems and trade hubs. Freelancers Inc. Research Division [FIRD] This corporation was created to be able to anchor 3 Large POS structures in High sec to research our BPOÆs to high ME and PE levels. Due to the problems with accessing mobile labs for copying and invention I tranfered myself as CEO to this corporation. Chapter 2 - The Business Plan Freelancers Inc. is now a holding corp for shares and all dividend received from these shares are paid out weekly. 2,000,000 of these shares where sold publicly for 14,000 ISK this corporation now hold 12% (24,000) of FIMD shares paying 90mil dividends per day to pay out in weekly dividends. And 20% (40,000) of FIRD shares paying 500mil dividends to pay out the monthly dividends of 100 ISK as agreed on my first IPO Freelancers Inc. Marketing division sell all items that are build by the research division and re supply the building materials needed ( minerals, advandced materials etcà. ). This corporation pays daily dividends of 750million. Freelancers Inc. Research division holds all BPOÆs in corporate hangar all LOCKED DOWN +640 different T1 BPOÆs. uses these to make BPC's to sell or build in high sec using using +30 perfect factory slots ( will rise with some research time ) ( +120 research slots for ME-PE or Copying ) 20 invention slots inventing T2 modules and ships. This corporation holds 83% of the marketing division shares to cover building cost. (Needed Building cost backflow - 70-75%) Receives income from renting out several research slots to alliance members and sells BPC to provide income for fuel expenses. This corporation pays a fixed 2.5billion in dividends per month. All ISK received from sales on shares will be used to buy up capital ship components BPOÆs and several Capital ship BPO to put these all in ME and PE research to start production ASAP. Chapter 3 - Statement of Assets ASSETS ( 2007-09-30 ) : Freelancers Inc. 24,000 FIMD Shares ( 2,500,000 / a share IPO ) = 60Billion 40,000 FIRD Shares ( 250,000 / a share IPO ) = 10Billion Total assets 70Billion in shares / 5,000,000 corp shares = 14,000 ISK a share Total public ISK 2,000,000 Shares x 14,000 ISK : 28billion Freelancers Inc. Research Division BPOS : 39,789,157,694 POS installation : 3 Large safe space research/production POS ( 3,980,200,000 ) ITEMS/SHIPS in stock : 7,797,059,448 ISK CORP Wallet : 2,454,433,143.85 ISK Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division Assets : Vary and change daily depending on what FIRD can produce Current assets : 2,257,977,587 items on SALE for 2,980,530,414.84 Corp Wallet : 1,660,371,381.21 Total net worth : 57,939,199,264.06 ISK
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:13:00 - [2] Chapter 4 - IPO Share Prizes, Dividends Shares Allocated for public IPO Freelancers Inc. û 2,000,000 ( 28 billion ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 95,000 ( 23.75 billion ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 10,000 ( 25 billion ) Price Per Share Freelancers Inc. û 14,000 ( 4.61% divident / month ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 250,000 ( 5.00% divident / month ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 2,500,000 ( 4.56% divident / month ) Payouts on shares : Freelancers Inc. [UMTA2] 126 ISK per week ( Monday ) + 100 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division [FIRD] 12,500 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division [FIMD] 3,750 ISK per day if it happens we canÆt make the daily payment 2 payments will be done the next day The non-distributed profits will be fed back into further BPO acquisition. Chapter 5 û FAQ Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? We have been around for more then a 2 years and are trusted by lots of people. Q: How do you know you'll be successful? Paying out the regular dividends for more then a year now. Q: Why are you doing this? To be able to buy some more BPOS Q: Will you ever buy back shares? Yes after all shares are sold we will start buying back shares.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:38:00 - [3] Without trying to sound rude what exactly are you after? (amount of shares for sale, cost of those shares, projected dividends on those shares, total value of new shares for sale, amount of public isk you currently hold, etc) I like your layout and colouring etc, but after reading the whole thing it left me wondering exactly what you were after. You have put a lot of detail into this, but failed to provide basic information for those of far less mental capacity Oh wait, did I just call myself stupid Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:50:00 - [4] Could you give a little more detail please? For instance, what will the marketing corporation use 25b for?
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Ricdic Without trying to sound rude what exactly are you after? Raising extra ISK to buy and prepare our Capital ship collection so that we can put all these bpo's into research to compete with current market. In my BIO ingame you can see how many shares are left for sale already sold shares to corp and alliance members.
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 08:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Ionia Could you give a little more detail please? For instance, what will the marketing corporation use 25b for? This is to have a cashflow to place large buy orders in different locations to provide the research division with those precious building materials. And to have a reserve if someone wants to sell his/her shares back to us when he/she had some trouble ingame and need the cash back
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 09:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Quadria In my BIO ingame you can see how many shares are left for sale already sold shares to corp and alliance members. If you are offering your sale through this forum would it be unfair to ask that this information be placed here? Also we seem to have missed the other questions I asked. Will number them: * Amount of shares for sale * Are divisions separate? (basically starting 3 new IPO's at once??) * Expected dividends on division? total?? * Total value of new shares for sale? (amount of isk you are asking for) * Amount of public isk you held prior to this offering I am a little disapointed that my first request for this information was barely answered (fobbed off) as was Ionia's which is quite surprising considering the detailed business plan you provided. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 09:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Quadria Raising extra ISK to buy and prepare our Capital ship collection so that we can put all these bpo's into research to compete with current market. At this point, its shooting yourself in the foot. I think that you should reconsider this. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.01 09:54:00 - [9] Ricdic, this thread answers some of your questions.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 10:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Robacz Ricdic, this thread answers some of your questions. Thanks for the link, that definetly answers some of them A few others still need addressing like expected returns on each corporation and others listed above. Plus why not just have one large issuance, and split the capital between your deparments, rather than having all these sub-corps? The last time things were tried in the advertised fashion was through EIB and that didn't go so well. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Ricdic If you are offering your sale through this forum would it be unfair to ask that this information be placed here? Also we seem to have missed the other questions I asked. Will number them: * Amount of shares for sale Shares Allocated for public IPO Freelancers Inc. û 2,000,000 ( 28 billion ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 95,000 ( 23.75 billion ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 10,000 ( 25 billion ) Quote: * Are divisions separate? (basically starting 3 new IPO's at once??) Yes 1 IPO was already launched [UMTA2] and as good as sold out Quote: * Expected dividends on division? total?? Payouts on shares : Freelancers Inc. [UMTA2] 126 ISK per week ( Monday ) + 100 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division [FIRD] 12,500 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division [FIMD] 3,750 ISK per day Quote: * Total value of new shares for sale? (amount of isk you are asking for) Freelancers Inc. 2,000,000 ( almost sold out ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 95,000 ( 23.75 billion ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 10,000 ( 25 billion ) Quote: * Amount of public isk you held prior to this offering I'm handling 28 billion public isk and sold for 10 billion ISK shares to corp-alliance members before this offering total public isk invested 38 billion Hope to informed you enough Quadria
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:57:00 - [12] I am still totally confused about what you want the isk for. It seems you have a holding corp, a marketing corp, and a bpc copying corp. Is this correct? Why does a holding corp need isk? Why does a marketing corp need 25b isk? You really have that much tied up in buy orders? after skills? Could you give a brief rundown how you are going to spend the isk in each of these corps?
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Ionia Could you give a brief rundown how you are going to spend the isk in each of these corps? And even more importantly, will this isk be in anyone else's hands but your own? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:52:00 - [14] Quote: Could you give a brief rundown how you are going to spend the isk in each of these corps? I run FIMD and FIRD personaly and handle the ISK in those corporations The FIMD and FIRD fund collected wil be used to buy up the capital ship and components BPO's to be locked down in FIRD: Capital Armor Plates Blueprint Capital Capacitor Battery Blueprint Capital Cargo Bay Blueprint Capital Clone Vat Bay Blueprint Capital Computer System Blueprint Capital Construction Parts Blueprint Capital Corporate Hangar Bay Blueprint Capital Doomsday Weapon Mount Blueprint Capital Drone Bay Blueprint Capital Jump Bridge Array Blueprint Capital Jump Drive Blueprint Capital Launcher Hardpoint Blueprint Capital Power Generator Blueprint Capital Propulsion Engine Blueprint Capital Sensor Cluster Blueprint Capital Shield Emitter Blueprint Capital Ship Maintenance Bay Blueprint Capital Siege Array Blueprint Capital Turret Hardpoint Blueprint Obelisk Blueprint Providence Blueprint Charon Blueprint Fenrir Blueprint Thanatos Blueprint Archon Blueprint Chimera Blueprint Nidhoggur Blueprint Moros Blueprint Revelation Blueprint Phoenix Blueprint Naglfar Blueprint = 46,424,636,200 ISK total new investment ISK from sales of the shares wil be used to buy up these BPO's if isk from FIMD is used it wil be replaced with FIRD shares in corp-wallet FIMD wil need 5-10 billion ISK remaining in the corp-wallet to cover the buy-orders. If there's not enough ISK in wallet i'll lose the brokers fee if someone's sells a large batch of items and lose ISK.
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:19:00 - [15] If you're only planning to buy 1 of each BPO you're in for a REALLY rude awakening - you'll find you can only run one carrier BPO at once - and that only about 1/4 of the time from memory. You need something like 4 drone-bay BPOs per carrier print (from memory) to keep all carrier BPOs in constant production. If your plan is to mainly sell BPCs, then obviously that isn't so - but then you should be focussing on the more profitable BPCs rather than just randomly buying 1 of each BPO as though you were a BPO collector rather than running a professional business.
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Fury Banker you'll find you can only run one carrier BPO at once - and that only about 1/4 of the time from memory. You need something like 4 drone-bay BPOs per carrier print (from memory) to keep all carrier BPOs in constant production. I havent done any capital building yet so i'm new to that section as producer. I have no doubt that what you said is total truth :-) The list is what i wil buy with the public ISK. I'll be investing in more bpo's then on this list and if needed i'll buy doubles, tripple's or more BPO's of the same type. ( where is that ISK coming from ? ) i'll be investing ISK in the corporations aswell i already got 2 components BPO's and the obelisk BPO in ME research. The goal is to get these BPO's ASAP so i can put them in research to get them to a good ME,PE level.
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Ignatius Nilsson	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:42:00 - [18] I¦m a happy UMTA2 shareholder who put some of his little fortune here. I have to say that I¦m highly satisfied with my investment and I plan to grow it now. Only one question, QUADRIA. The dividens you put in the post are current dividends... I suppose after the IPO and the new capital branch this could be higher, isnt it?
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Quadria Quote: Could you give a brief rundown how you are going to spend the isk in each of these corps? I run FIMD and FIRD personaly and handle the ISK in those corporations The FIMD and FIRD fund collected wil be used to buy up the capital ship and components BPO's to be locked down in FIRD: Capital Armor Plates Blueprint Capital Capacitor Battery Blueprint Capital Cargo Bay Blueprint Capital Clone Vat Bay Blueprint Capital Computer System Blueprint Capital Construction Parts Blueprint Capital Corporate Hangar Bay Blueprint Capital Doomsday Weapon Mount Blueprint Capital Drone Bay Blueprint Capital Jump Bridge Array Blueprint Capital Jump Drive Blueprint Capital Launcher Hardpoint Blueprint Capital Power Generator Blueprint Capital Propulsion Engine Blueprint Capital Sensor Cluster Blueprint Capital Shield Emitter Blueprint Capital Ship Maintenance Bay Blueprint Capital Siege Array Blueprint Capital Turret Hardpoint Blueprint Obelisk Blueprint Providence Blueprint Charon Blueprint Fenrir Blueprint Thanatos Blueprint Archon Blueprint Chimera Blueprint Nidhoggur Blueprint Moros Blueprint Revelation Blueprint Phoenix Blueprint Naglfar Blueprint = 46,424,636,200 ISK total new investment ISK from sales of the shares wil be used to buy up these BPO's if isk from FIMD is used it wil be replaced with FIRD shares in corp-wallet FIMD wil need 5-10 billion ISK remaining in the corp-wallet to cover the buy-orders. If there's not enough ISK in wallet i'll lose the brokers fee if someone's sells a large batch of items and lose ISK. Stop RIGHT there. We prove over and over again, that capitals arent as profitable anymore. This have been the major weaknesses of 2 large IPO's recently(Mine included). Another player in the field wont change that fact. The fact that you only have 1 of each bpo proves that you arent ready to go into the capital field. Let alone even thinking about it. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:49:00 - [20] Originally by: LaVista Vista Stop RIGHT there. We prove over and over again, that capitals arent as profitable anymore. This have been the major weaknesses of 2 large IPO's recently(Mine included). Another player in the field wont change that fact. The fact that you only have 1 of each bpo proves that you arent ready to go into the capital field. Let alone even thinking about it. Maybe you are right, but I find capital producer commenting on capital production IPO a bit weird - conflict of interest.
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Robacz Originally by: LaVista Vista Stop RIGHT there. We prove over and over again, that capitals arent as profitable anymore. This have been the major weaknesses of 2 large IPO's recently(Mine included). Another player in the field wont change that fact. The fact that you only have 1 of each bpo proves that you arent ready to go into the capital field. Let alone even thinking about it. Maybe you are right, but I find capital producer commenting on capital production IPO a bit weird - conflict of interest. I do it for the pleasure. Prices ARE Dropping. You can ask anybody with no affiliation to the field. Or even better. Check it for yourself. Let me give you a hint. Chimera used to be maybe 900mill when i joined. They sold for roughly 950mill. Look what happend now. 850mill! Thanatos? Used to be at least 1bill. You see them daily go for about 950. Modules used to have 10mill markup. NOW its like 2mill. If you think its a conflict of interest, prove me wrong. Id love to see what you find. The burden of evidence is on you. I have proof that prices are dropping, margins are falling. You say indirectly that im saying this for my own good. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:55:00 - [22] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Robacz Originally by: LaVista Vista Stop RIGHT there. We prove over and over again, that capitals arent as profitable anymore. This have been the major weaknesses of 2 large IPO's recently(Mine included). Another player in the field wont change that fact. The fact that you only have 1 of each bpo proves that you arent ready to go into the capital field. Let alone even thinking about it. Maybe you are right, but I find capital producer commenting on capital production IPO a bit weird - conflict of interest. I do it for the pleasure. Prices ARE Dropping. You can ask anybody with no affiliation to the field. Or even better. Check it for yourself. Let me give you a hint. Chimera used to be maybe 900mill when i joined. They sold for roughly 950mill. Look what happend now. 850mill! Thanatos? Used to be at least 1bill. You see them daily go for about 950. Modules used to have 10mill markup. NOW its like 2mill. If you think its a conflict of interest, prove me wrong. Id love to see what you find. The burden of evidence is on you. I have proof that prices are dropping, margins are falling. You say indirectly that im saying this for my own good. The irony of it is, that when you proposed your own capital ship IPO a bunch of us (I was one, think Ionia was another from memory) told you that your profit projections weren't achievable. At least you'd looked at the BPOs and knew you needed multiple copies of some though :)
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:55:00 - [23] It is conflict of interest no matter if you are right or not.
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:58:00 - [24] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 01/10/2007 15:01:12 Edited by: LaVista Vista on 01/10/2007 14:59:39 Originally by: FastLearner The irony of it is, that when you proposed your own capital ship IPO a bunch of us (I was one, think Ionia was another from memory) told you that your profit projections weren't achievable. At least you'd looked at the BPOs and knew you needed multiple copies of some though :) The problem is, the prices are falling, and im not just doing capital production. I have other sources of income. I realise the irony, but nevertheless prices are falling. My clear point of this, is that if you do this, your walking on thin ice. The market will crash, and it will happen soon. The danger is always there, EVEN for cap4u. Im no better than anybody else in the field mind you. I merely manage to turn profit. Originally by: Robacz It is conflict of interest no matter if you are right or not. Its in my best interest to make sure that people realise that the field(IPO's) isnt overfloded with capital IPO's. Because it will cause a major crash at some point, taking the IPO's with them. This is eventually bad for the market as a whole. Of course its in my interest to keep people away from capital production, to increase profit margin. I admit this. But will it make any difference? Nah. If worst comes to worst, ill just pay back all my own shareholders, and everything will be forgotten. It will take less of my game time aswell. Win-win, right? Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. Research Division United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Ignatius Nilsson I¦m a happy UMTA2 shareholder who put some of his little fortune here. I have to say that I¦m highly satisfied with my investment and I plan to grow it now. Only one question, QUADRIA. The dividens you put in the post are current dividends... I suppose after the IPO and the new capital branch this could be higher, isnt it? Indeed Ignatius, These dividents are the dividents i'm already paying on the shares : todays payments made by my 3 corporations : 2007.10.01 05:41 Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 750000000 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation. 2007.10.01 05:43 Freelancers Inc. Research Division may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 1250000000 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation. 2007.10.01 05:44 Freelancers Inc. Research Division may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 1250000000 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation. 2007.10.01 05:47 Freelancers Inc. may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 640000000 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation. 2007.10.01 05:48 Freelancers Inc. may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 500000000 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation. When the new bpo's are ready to make ISK i'm sure i'll raise the dividents the same way as i raised the original umta2 shares ( first they got only 100 ISK a month in divident and a variable weekly payment ) now those are fixed to weekly payments of 126 ISK per week and 100 isk per month as agreed in that IPO. For the people that are telling me to get out of capital production. and get my facts straight. I'm not trying to start a mayor capital production corp that only focus on capital building. i'll wait my turn and get my bpo's up to spec's. All dividents are fixed you now how much you wil get paid and when you get your dividents. i'm not trying to compete with other capital IPO's i'm just getting ready when one wil stop or fail is IPO ( not that i'm hoping anyone wil fail ).
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:12:00 - [26] Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 01/10/2007 15:01:12 Edited by: LaVista Vista on 01/10/2007 14:59:39 Originally by: FastLearner The irony of it is, that when you proposed your own capital ship IPO a bunch of us (I was one, think Ionia was another from memory) told you that your profit projections weren't achievable. At least you'd looked at the BPOs and knew you needed multiple copies of some though :) The problem is, the prices are falling, and im not just doing capital production. I have other sources of income. I realise the irony, but nevertheless prices are falling. My clear point of this, is that if you do this, your walking on thin ice. The market will crash, and it will happen soon. The danger is always there, EVEN for cap4u. Im no better than anybody else in the field mind you. I merely manage to turn profit. Originally by: Robacz It is conflict of interest no matter if you are right or not. Its in my best interest to make sure that people realise that the field(IPO's) isnt overfloded with capital IPO's. Because it will cause a major crash at some point, taking the IPO's with them. This is eventually bad for the market as a whole. Of course its in my interest to keep people away from capital production, to increase profit margin. I admit this. But will it make any difference? Nah. If worst comes to worst, ill just pay back all my own shareholders, and everything will be forgotten. It will take less of my game time aswell. Win-win, right? I'll explain what I don't personally understand about this: Your own IPO is partially secured by Ricdic - and he's made posts about your IPO on a few occasions. So it would seem that, if you're right, he knows that the market is on the verge of collapse. Yet he's not just taken over another cap-ship IPO - but issued new shares to expand it. So does he know something you don't? Or do you know something he doesn't? That cap-ship prices have been falling is definitely true - but, of itself, that doesn't necessarily make a cap-ship IPO a bad investment. With properly optimised manufacturing - and purchasing of fire-sale BPOs - there's probably still respectable (though not exceptional) profits to be made. That you're: a) Not getting our of the market yourself, b) A competitor, c) Closely involved with another newly taken-over cap-ship IPO - which has just expanded just despite knowing very intimately how well/badly your IPO is doing, Does count pretty heavily against taking your warnings (on their own) seriously.
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:18:00 - [27] Originally by: FastLearner That you're: a) Not getting our of the market yourself, b) A competitor, c) Closely involved with another newly taken-over cap-ship IPO - which has just expanded just despite knowing very intimately how well/badly your IPO is doing, Does count pretty heavily against taking your warnings (on their own) seriously. I have only 1 affiliation to TCCS, is the fact that know ricdic, and i rent his thanatos bpo. I could have all the reason of the world. But im not here to turn a huge profit myself. IF i did, i wouldnt create an IPO in the first place. You should realise that i turn little personal profit on this. And i could care less for the investors. This is merely a friendly advice. Dont go into the capital business. Take it or leave it. Its your call. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
LaVista Vista Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:21:00 - [28] Also i might add that freighters are one of the less affected areas. Carriers and dreads are highly affected by the price changes. Hence why TCCS is still running. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:30:00 - [29] Originally by: LaVista Vista Also i might add that freighters are one of the less affected areas. Carriers and dreads are highly affected by the price changes. Hence why TCCS is still running. OMG you just killed TCCS!!! jk lol Proper post to follow, everyone chill out ! Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:44:00 - [30] Hey, there you are.. I was wondering when you popped up.. finally setting your plan in motion then? o/
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.01 16:32:00 - [31] Originally by: LaVista Vista I have only 1 affiliation to TCCS, is the fact that know ricdic, and i rent his thanatos bpo. Take it or leave it. Its your call. I won't deny LV has been complaining in MSN for the last 2 weeks about how capital profits have been dropping. I am more in the freighter industry, who's profits are also dropping but don't seem to be as bad as LV's. Now I know nothing of his build costs, sale costs etc, just how much he has complained about them well before this post existed. Either way, LV was spot on regarding the BPO's. Buying one of each will screw you over faster than a used car salesman could. You need to carefully evaluate precisely what capital ships you want to build, and then determine number of components it requires compared to those the bpo churns out. Some capital component bpos will support 2-7 capital ships, whilst others may need multiple comp bpo's to support a single ship. This research is critical, and should be undertaken by your research division well before even considering a public corporation. I see it was an oversight but recommend you work on that before pushing this too far. You should also have your marketting division scour the WTS forums for capital ships, look at the prices they are going for, look at the timeframes they exist for before being sold, and the likes. Check contracts, markets and the likes. Buying pre-built components off the market can easily result in a complete financial loss as they tend to have a 1m markup on build cost (not counting any market fees you may incur). Be aware of the trit-heavy mineral prices, and make sure you carefully calculate build cost and profit margins on these ships, bearing in mind that you add their 10-11 day build time to the equation, and the fact that all capital ships are tritanium intensive, meaning that with normal ships and modules they hold a general balance, but with capitals/freighters they require far more tritanium concentrations than their other counterparts. This means that in times when trit prices skyrocket, regardless of the decline on other minerals you will be the worst hit. This is already happening but a lot of freighter and capital pilots are still foolishly driving the prices down due to market saturation, not realising how close they are going to removing their profit margins completely. Plus, one cannot ignore the latest economic blog that specifically speaks of the planned removal of the shuttle tritanium cap, which may result in trit prices reaching phenomenal levels. One could follow the good Doctor Economy's advice and focus more on Raven production for a likely far higher profit margin with less than 1/5'th of the capital required. Either way, don't take this as a deterent to capital production. If that's what you want to do, go for it. Take it as a warning to study your plans extremely carefully before going too far. Best of luck with the operation. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.01 18:16:00 - [32] As a completely outside observer I can tell you that the Capital market is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE market to get into right now. I ran my own personal capital production for a short while and I got out after less than 3 months. I barely made it out with any profit and that was before prices dropped even further. What made it worse was that it took so damn long to build things that the actual profits were far worse than you'd think. Sure, seeing a 100 mil or 200 mil profit on a single item seems great. But when it takes 2-3 weeks to build that item it is far less great. I personally would rather make 3-5% profits multiple times a day than 10% profits once every two weeks. I specifically did not invest in LV's IPO because I knew how bad the market was from first hand experience. I believe I even made posts in his initial thread detailing my skepticism, as did Ionia if I recall correctly. All that being said, you seem dead-set on launching a cap production IPO. Why on earth is it being done as 3 separate corps? Clearly all your "inside" investors have already chosen on corp to invest in... it seems they would have picked the most profitable of the three. Why would anyone want to invest in the less profitable corps? You'd be far better off combining this into a single corp asking for 70-80 billion ISK than 3 asking for 20-25 each. I for one would never give you a penny no matter what your business plan if you had 3 corps as you do now, instead of a single one. Finally, if you are indeed set on doing this... do it correctly. Don't just go in like a total noob to capital production. Pick 2 freighters, 2 dreads, and 2 carriers to start with. Or even 1 of each. Then read the part requirements for each and write them all down. Then add up all those parts and figure out how many of everything you will need if you wanted to be in full production. Then buy more BPO's of the parts you will need more of. If you refuse to post the new #'s of BPO's you will be buying then I don't see why any remotely savvy investor would give you a penny of theirs as they'd be throwing their investment away IMO. An IPO the size of yours is not something to be undertaken by someone who doesn't understand the very market they are intending to enter. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kitex Blacktag Test Labs	Posted - 2007.10.02 01:50:00 - [33] I'm surprised I haven't seen this part touched on yet: Quote: Price Per Share Freelancers Inc. û 14,000 ( 4.61% divident / month ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division û 250,000 ( 5.00% divident / month ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division û 2,500,000 ( 4.56% divident / month ) Those dividends are really on the weak end of the spectrum when compared to other investment opportunities that are still available. Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery!
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:01:00 - [34] I'm curious... did this IPO get scrapped... or what? I was hoping to get a counter-argument, or some updates, or something. If not then that is really quite sad as there seemed to be so much time spent on all the colors! Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04 i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now. maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used? edited: typo
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.03 18:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04 i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now. maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used? edited: typo Indeed, it appears the people who most often use the term have no idea of what it means.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Quadria Payouts on shares : Freelancers Inc. [UMTA2] 126 ISK per week ( Monday ) + 100 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Research Division [FIRD] 12,500 ISK per month ( 1th of the month ) Freelancers Inc. Marketing Division [FIMD] 3,750 ISK per day if it happens we canÆt make the daily payment 2 payments will be done the next day The non-distributed profits will be fed back into further BPO acquisition. please clear up how that payout works? Is that amount PER SHARE? because when i do the calculations on 400mil total invested im coming up with 205k in dividends. that seems HARDLY worth my investment.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Ionia Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 03/10/2007 18:33:04 i don't think it's really an ipo, as sales of shares have been going on for some time now, and the capital expansion was posted on their site as a medium-long term goal for quite a few months now. maybe i just don't understand the term 'ipo'; but, it seems that it gets used a lot of times when another term could be better used? edited: typo Indeed, it appears the people who most often use the term have no idea of what it means. Bleh, this is just about semantics. IPO is far quicker and easier to type than business or company or corporation or any other term you could use to identify it. But in this case they appeared to be offering their business to customers as an investment opportunity and it seemed that since they had not yet started up this business that it was just starting. Thus the term Initial Public Offering seems to fit. This is the first time I've seen them post about this business on this forum and the sales thread on the sell orders forum was started recently too. So excuse me if my term doesn't fit... but my question still stands and I think everyone here knows exactly what it was I was asking. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:50:00 - [39] the op used 'ipo extension' as the title. i was just pointing out that they have been around, and issuing divs, for a while now. and that going into the cap business has always been a part of their plans.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd the op used 'ipo extension' as the title. i was just pointing out that they have been around, and issuing divs, for a while now. and that going into the cap business has always been a part of their plans. Indeed. But Ionia seemed to be implying that anyone who uses the term IPO willy nilly has no clue what it actually means. Even though it does indeed make sense here. But this is off topic, I'd like to get back on topic and get a reply about this IPO's status. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained

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