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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:47:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.
The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's
Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise.
saltrock0000 wrote:People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's
ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP
oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that! |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:53:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway.
camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:14:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.
The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise. saltrock0000 wrote:People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that! And then look at the 15% tax needed to run that "partial" programme. 
ahahahaha taxes
son, we have 60+ tech moons, taxes just keep the wallet healthy
fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:15:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Culture...they've managed to log onto an MMO sandbox, hit a few keyboard keys and the result is they've created a culture. Too much. And, too bad Gideon didn't pass out dictionaries.
the culture comes from somethingawful dot com, maybe you have heard of that site? it's where most of goonwaffe comes from!
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:19:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:
lol you talk some rubbish...
Maybe, but better than the depressing propoganda drivel that the likes of Goons make people suffer. Seriously, you have no clue... Enlighten us all then. Pretty redundant statement otherwise. Or is all your capability just tourettes like water torture statements with no real content? I'd ask your Goon puppet masters to deliver some more fish into your diet, it might improve brain activity. Or stop them from using the slave altering brainwashing, seems to adversely effect capabilties.
seems that all the fish in your diet has caused brain damage, oh well |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1622
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:30:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Something Random wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Any more, for any more? Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there. Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL. Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships. Way of the ... Galaxy. Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.
"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance" |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1623
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:47:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:
fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december
Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK. Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true?  If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.
too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011
also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis
oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1626
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:14:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis
oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility. As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true). How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.
i didn't get the numbers from some random director, they came from API. our reimbursement program assumes that ships are insured, and your numbers come from a goddamn killboard that includes losses of haulers and ratting ships, which we do not reimburse, and structures.
oh and my number includes ice interdiction bounties which were paid from the same wallet so heh |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1637
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:10:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here
Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone? Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years? Wallstreet anyone? And you guys portray yourselves as anti-establishment. lol
generous capital and supercapital subsidies, full ship reimbursement, PLEX for active logistics and FC personnel
we reward participation, not mere membership |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1637
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:14:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Lord Zim wrote:pussnheels wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money.
I'm literally shocked. well you have CCP sanctioned bots for that don't you , and since you goons/ cheaters even refuse to report bots .... enough said "Don't shoot" != "don't report". Hope that helps. Any particular reason for a 'Don't shoot' policy other than the fact the bot might belong to a friend of yours 
if you don't get the reasoning behind a "don't fuck goons/allies" rule you should probably stay in high-sec with all the other white knights
all alliances have rules like that |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:23:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Sir, you're organization is sitting on enormous sums of cash and at the same time manipulating markets to make further profits on the backs of those with a fraction of your wealth.
So getting back to the topic at hand, I just mined for several hours for an implant I want. I paid nothing to corporate overseer's, I didn't have to concern myself with being called away while I mined, and I didn't have to help pay for some internet glory seeking foul mouthed chuckle head's plex for the next 50 years.
I am the captain of my own ship. Goons aren't even flying their own ships as you have pointed out. :)
That is why I am in high-sec.
Actually, anyone dumb enough to mine in our space gets tax-free refineries and they can do whatever the hell they want with their ores/minerals. Goons fly their own ships. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:35:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Very responsible and commendable of you I'm sure.
Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'.
Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it.
I'm part of my alliance's reimbursement team and I can tell you that we pay for more than a "couple of ships." Our reimbursement program, while expensive as hell (70-120bn per month) owns and nobody in GSF has to grind to replace their ships. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:10:00 -
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tikktokk tokkzikk wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.
0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.
The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's
There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements
People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's
The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.
This is a game people should paly it for fun
Join 99% dude! We're in NPC space and just lol'ing around! I also tought nullsec alliance was as described above until I join 99% [/recruitment] But seriously, it is all about finding the right guys!
future cfc member |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:24:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this)
yeah moving things around in nullsec is very hard
*fills a carrier/jf/rorqual, undocks, jumps to a cyno* |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:28:00 -
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the whole "nullsec requires significantly more individual time investment than highsec" boat sailed so long ago that it's completed its second world tour, seriously |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1687
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:32:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage.
Yes, using invulnerable neutral RR alts is certainly the pinnacle of PvP in this game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1695
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:15:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Andski wrote:Salicaz wrote:All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway. camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp Yes bubbling them is soooo much better
Permabubbles are a weaksauce gatecamping tactic. Anyone going through will immediately see 20 anchored warp disruptors on their overview and burn back to the gate.
Cloaked dictors are the way to go. |
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