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mopha Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.02 20:57:00 - [1] after mpire + fatal + cow etc paid razor/mm to move out of branch it seems that they "scrambled fatal freighters for no reason" and refused to let them go. Freighters + several bs reported lost :s so much for the "respect" razor + mm said they had towards mpire,fatal,cow etc?
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:00:00 - [2] lol.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:00:00 - [3] spies.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:00:00 - [4] apparently it's COW's fault. --- planetary interaction idea!
Xeno Metamorph Gallente Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:01:00 - [5] This is going to be a case of oh you broke it first! no you broke it first! no you did! no you did! its gna get real old, real fast. Lesson to be learnt... never trust your enemy... ---
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:02:00 - [6] Wasn't it reported that CoW killed a razor/mm hauler thereby breaking the agreements first? /shrug More info needed.
Ex0dus coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:02:00 - [7]
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:02:00 - [8] damn, turns out that MM and razor are way more awesome than I thought.
Easylife Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:02:00 - [9] cargoscanner frig reported poses in the freighters. Part of the deal was they left poses behind Thats the story someone bothered to pm me with.
SpaceMoose GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:02:00 - [10] Mad props for bringin' it Fatal.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:03:00 - [11] bahahehhahhahahaa
Corvac Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:03:00 - [12] NAP's are overrated anyway.
touchvill Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:04:00 - [13] LMAO! ----------
mopha Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:04:00 - [14] no pos equipment on any of the killmails... i find it hard to believe
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:07:00 - [15] lmao
Eurydyke	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Eurydyke on 02/10/2007 21:09:21 Originally by: mopha no pos equipment on any of the killmails... i find it hard to believe Fail alliance edited it off the mails. I have undeniable INFOMASHUNS!
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 02/10/2007 21:11:03 post with your main btw.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:09:00 - [18] Originally by: mopha no pos equipment on any of the killmails... i find it hard to believe maybe they meant wmd.
Sicarius Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:10:00 - [19] afaik THEY STARTED IT FIRST!
Papion Caldari Takigama Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:10:00 - [20] ray the hero in the cargo scanning cepter
Gutsani D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:11:00 - [21] contract the loot to me and i will resolve the conflict by returning all the lost stuff to the rightfull party
LoveYouSan	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:11:00 - [22] Edited by: LoveYouSan on 02/10/2007 21:13:44 There were 5 freighters, 2 logged of ... You can guess, which freighters logged of ....
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Sicarius afaik THEY STARTED IT FIRST! Yeah, because that makes so much sense, when they have freighters streaming out. IT'S SO OBVIOUS! Obviously a setup by the old north nap-fest. Grats on the e-honor thing! Mad props for bringing it!
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:12:00 - [24] proof or stfu ----------------- My dream is to become the best forum warrior there is. Even better then Molle Sir.
Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:14:00 - [25] Well done boys! That sounds like something we'd do.
Stockarian Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:15:00 - [26] They didn't want those freighters/naps anyway. Stock
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:17:00 - [27] You could at least have the decency to put your forum whining alt in a corp. It doesn't even have to bear such a great name as mine. isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
matty01 Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:17:00 - [28] lol awesome
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Lazuran You could at least have the decency to put your forum whining alt in a corp. It doesn't even have to bear such a great name as mine. it's not a pro-goon post. it won't get deleted or locked.
LoveYouSan	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:20:00 - [30] "razor shoot down fatal freighters, after 30bil spent on safe passage" razor ? i can only see MM on the killmails, only a few rzr guys...
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:21:00 - [31] heh classic truly classic leans back
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:24:00 - [32] Technically I think the NAP was first violated yesterday when MPire warped a freighter to one of MM's POSs, the only one without a scrambling battery, and it died. I don't know if it couldn't turn around in time or the pilot was asleep but lmao
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:24:00 - [33] I'm not going to comment on the kills - I'm sure there will be plenty of that from everyone else. But...you spent 30bil on safe passage for 5 freighters full of battleships? I'm no genius in economics, but I think even had they all got safely to destination that would have represented poor value for isk - no?
Lirt State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:25:00 - [34] Reports say a scan procedure was in place and you didnt accept it thus attacking scanners.
Huge Ox UK Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:26:00 - [35] cargoscanner frig reported poses in the freighters. Part of the deal was they left poses behind Thats the story someone bothered to pm me with. need to slap your spies for giving you dodgy intel. This was a total cluster**** mistakes made on both sides currently being sorted nothing else to see here so move along and troll somewhere else kthanks.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:26:00 - [36] ok boss.
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Toffles on 02/10/2007 21:28:28 Ex-fatal corp admits they broke the nap agreement: Quote: Tissa: Fatal revelations and Fatal inquesition have not handed the pos + moduals + fuels that were promised to razor and MM as part of the nap. UKC finds this dishonest and wrong. Tissa: UKCs position is that the NAP that was offered was fair and probably a lot more respectful to us than we would have been to them, we will uphold this nap
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:29:00 - [38]
Laki Onori Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:30:00 - [39] Not sure but on the mm kb it seems a FATAL guy shot a MM ceptor first, looking at the time on the km, but could be wrong ?
Ice Breaker2 hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Laki Onori Not sure but on the mm kb it seems a FATAL guy shot a MM ceptor first, looking at the time on the km, but could be wrong ? you are right, we jumped in AFTER fatal killed our cargo scaning inty _______________________________________________ PvP is a Sport of Violence, Exclusion, and Degradation
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:33:00 - [41] Ha ha F4T4L can't even surrender right.
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:36:00 - [42] Ouchies. Guess you're all leaving empty handed after all Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:36:00 - [43] Ray for President of EVE! hirr Morsus Mihi
Fray Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:36:00 - [44] Quote: Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch. Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it? Crazy. - <@Cf'DigitalCommunist> D2, if you go to za'ha'delve, you will die. -
Fartarse Minmatar UK Corp	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:37:00 - [45] UKC were informed earlier this evening that the NAP was due to end earlier than had been agreed due to parts of the surrender agreement not being forthcoming by some of our allaince at the sepcified time. We decided to evacuate the last of our gear earlier than was planned. We knew the risk and knew that we may not be able to get our freighters out to empire before the new dealine. As far as i was aware, we were not carrying anything that was covered under the surrender agreement in any of the freighter. We were aware of a large hostile fleet ahead of us on our route. We had also been told that they were planning to shoot us - this was AFTER the new deadline. We decided to take an alterantive route. Our freighters jumped into the system and a request was made for us to stop them and be scanned. They were scrambled to prevent warp-off and duly scanned. Both of thes actions were seen as hostile as the request had not been made clearly enough that they were only looking for banned items. Our FC ordered the destruction of the scanning ship. Nervousness in twitchy fingers on both sides ensued and battle commenced, the result of which was the loss of the 3 freighters plus their contents and other ships. Now, you can put whatever spin you want on this, but, afaik, these are the facts of the matter. Some posters in this thread really need to remember that this is a game! Nothing else!!
Kirah Ovai Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Kilostream I'm not going to comment on the kills - I'm sure there will be plenty of that from everyone else. But...you spent 30bil on safe passage for 5 freighters full of battleships? I'm no genius in economics, but I think even had they all got safely to destination that would have represented poor value for isk - no? My guess would be that he's talking about the outpost FATAL put up a few days before the surrender? Or maybe that's what their POS equipment was worth..
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:44:00 - [47] So, in the end, 2 days of surrendering costed you more than 1 month of war.
bigfatbird Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:45:00 - [48] lol thats awesome. much <3 for razor. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:47:00 - [49] It doesn't pay after all to work with bob/bob pets :) --------------
Cefte Gray Ivy GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:48:00 - [50] Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that?
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Rennard Thread over.
Heptameron Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:52:00 - [52] hehehe... made me laugh :) nice work MM/Razor..
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? Very cool
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? Very cool extremely cool. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? I hadn't considered that angle until you mentioned it - but yeah I applaud your sentiment - it is kinda cool yeah!
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? mega cool
Twoside Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:57:00 - [57] Sounds maybe a bit strange, but I do feel sorry for the guys that lost their freighters. When things go **, they go ** all the way I guess. (nevertheless great kills, but still, damn!)
Crax McGee Silentium. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:01:00 - [58] it was icebreaker2 from HIRR that planned the killing of the frieghters. blame him. think its a bit poor on icebreakers part. people should really send him mails of how disgusted we all are.
Winters Chill Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:04:00 - [59] Originally by: xBlood Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? Very cool extremely cool. I concur with all of the above statements.
insolace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Toffles Edited by: Toffles on 02/10/2007 21:28:28 Ex-fatal corp admits they broke the nap agreement: Quote: Tissa: Fatal revelations and Fatal inquesition have not handed the pos + moduals + fuels that were promised to razor and MM as part of the nap. UKC finds this dishonest and wrong. Tissa: UKCs position is that the NAP that was offered was fair and probably a lot more respectful to us than we would have been to them, we will uphold this nap
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:09:00 - [61] why is UK Corp not in FATAL anymore? kicked for whistle blowing?
SpaceMoose GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:12:00 - [62] Edited by: SpaceMoose on 02/10/2007 22:12:45 Originally by: Katherine Marx why is UK Corp not in FATAL anymore? kicked for whistle blowing? probably left in disgust, it was an incredibly stupid/arrogant decision shooting the scanning intie.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Katherine Marx why is UK Corp not in FATAL anymore? kicked for whistle blowing? Probably because UKC has always been the only honorable part of LV/FATAL etc. guess they finally had enough.
Potty Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:17:00 - [64] yeah, I heard they left because they found out about the doggy dealing with the POSs
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:20:00 - [65] anyone taking bets on what is in the other two logged off freighters then?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:21:00 - [66] Originally by: SpaceMoose it was an incredibly stupid/arrogant decision to have shot the scanning frig. I agree that it was incredible stupid. What could have been gained by it??? 1) Assume that the cargo was all fine, then scanning should has been okay. So no reason to prevent scanning. 2) Assume that the cargo was not fine, then shooting down the scanning ship would have only alerted the enemy even more - which it actually did with the result we have. But in both cases shooting down the scanning ship was a mistake. Especially with the knowledge of a hostile gang around! This loss surely leaves an unhappy bad taste for Fatal. Not only did they lose the war and had to leave, but they also lost now a freighter convoy. One could feel sorry for them. Nothing is that bad that it cannot become worse...
Clotaire Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:21:00 - [67] Wheres the lock for this alt post?
Soo Linn	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:25:00 - [68] There were only 3 on the op....I counted them all out...and I counted them all killed
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Clotaire Wheres the lock for this alt post? you must not come here often.
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:29:00 - [70] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 02/10/2007 22:30:53 Originally by: Grimpak apparently it's COW's fault. Our incident was resolved and temporary standings were given back this afternoon already after some diplomatic efforts and some good will from Razor&Co., although the chances for that didn't look very good tbh. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? You don't get this sort of stuff in Counterstrike, that's for sure.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Clotaire Wheres the lock for this alt post? what?
Tesla Edison United Services	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:29:00 - [73] 24622 oxygen on one of the killmails so if fuel was prohibited they were breaking the agreement and tried to shoot their way out when they realized the jig was up.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:30:00 - [74] Originally by: Winters Chill Originally by: xBlood Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Cefte Edited by: Cefte on 02/10/2007 21:48:23 Regardless of the politics, I find the operative moment somehow pleasing. Player freighters being scanned at gates by a player alliance border control gang to search for goods deemed illegal by treaty. How cool is that? Very cool extremely cool. I concur with all of the above statements. ditto. --- planetary interaction idea!
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Shamis Orzoz lol. qft op : "oh noes our ennemy pwed our freighers after we tried to invade them !oneone" GG MORSUS MIHI (and thank you for us, because now they lost this in North they'll go into the south-eastern pwnage for sure). There's thanks growing on top of our Tribute vacation's respect. Anyway : GG !!! \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ lol that thought crossed my mind to Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:31:00 - [76] Originally by: Clotaire Wheres the lock for this alt post?
Potty Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Shamis Orzoz lol. qft op : "oh noes our ennemy pwed our freighers after we tried to invade them !oneone" GG MORSUS MIHI (and thank you for us, because now they lost this in North they'll go into the south-eastern pwnage for sure). There's thanks growing on top of our Tribute vacation's respect. Anyway : GG !!! \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ lol that thought crossed my mind to I dont get it, can you put it in laymen's terms?
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Potty Originally by: Del369 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Shamis Orzoz lol. qft op : "oh noes our ennemy pwed our freighers after we tried to invade them !oneone" GG MORSUS MIHI (and thank you for us, because now they lost this in North they'll go into the south-eastern pwnage for sure). There's thanks growing on top of our Tribute vacation's respect. Anyway : GG !!! \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ lol that thought crossed my mind to I dont get it, can you put it in laymen's terms? well they're leaving the north with all their stuff, that "would" probably have been used against the south imho, however, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
SpaceMoose GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: SpaceMoose it was an incredibly stupid/arrogant decision to have shot the scanning frig. I agree that it was incredible stupid. What could have been gained by it??? 1) Assume that the cargo was all fine, then scanning should has been okay. So no reason to prevent scanning. 2) Assume that the cargo was not fine, then shooting down the scanning ship would have only alerted the enemy even more - which it actually did with the result we have. But in both cases shooting down the scanning ship was a mistake. Especially with the knowledge of a hostile gang around! This loss surely leaves an unhappy bad taste for Fatal. Not only did they lose the war and had to leave, but they also lost now a freighter convoy. One could feel sorry for them. Nothing is that bad that it cannot become worse... Lol? It's standard procedure to check freighters that you are escorting off your land just to make sure exactly what they are taking with them, as it was part of the original cease fire. It's highly possible that the freighters were loaded with pos equipment that would be used to launch attacks into the south or support bob- It looks pretty dodgy when the alliances currently at your complete mercy try don't let you scan their cargo.
Potty Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:43:00 - [80] thanks Del369, I understand now :)
Central Scrutinizer RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.02 22:45:00 - [81] This is a very confusing situation that would have been much easier dealt with if FATAL Alliance had simply honored the agreement that they said they would honor.

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