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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Oron
You and Ezoran have shown more than once that you do not understand the natur of nosec business, therefor I tryed to help you and the readers to gain a better understanding.
In contradiction, Stins honesty is out of question and my trust in his person without limit. I know that he is expirienced in nosec business, cause he was director of my former Corporation, and I flew with him for many hours AND he is totaly hooked by the nosec. 
Sorry, but I DO run my business in no-sec. The vast majority of Fury hHoldings income has always been from sales in 0.0. And I'm not the first to do it - Proton Power (or the other guy who's always called his alt that gos afk for months at a time) did the same thing. And we both made profits way better than ISSO's. If you can't make a good profit buyng in high-sec and selling in 0,.0 then you're doing somethign seriously wrong. I'm lazy and drink a fair bit - but I can still amke 8-10% per week gross without breaking a sweat. I KNOW if I put some effort in I could double that - but it's a game and I can't be bothered.
Try asking my share-holders - I doubt very much you'll find a single one with a omplaint. They KNOW I'm laxy and like a beer - but I still deliver way more than ISSO ever has. And I don't hide from questions or make excuses if something goes wrong. If you (or anyone else) seriously believes that making <10% permonth takes effort then you honestly don't have a clue. ISK really DOES grow on trees - you just need a few hours per day to pluck some. And the game's full of people who are willing to let you pluck for them and only give half of it. I've never hidden the fact I only give half of what I pluck - I suspect ISSO jus tstand around at the base of the tree waiting to see what drops and never reach up and pull down some of the easy ISK that's hanging there.
I've always marketted what I do as a one-man enterprise - because that's what it is. If I had a whole alliance doing the fairly obvious and simple things necessary to make some profit then I'd hope I'd do even better. Having ISSO around is great for me - them (and all the other long-term investmkents) are so crap I don't even have to try to look good. But let's not delude ourselves: they're crap and I don't bother trying. I'm pretty sure Shadarle gave up trying ages ago as well - just he knows how easy making ISK is and can't work out a alliace supposedly devoted to that objective can perform so appallingly without either being corrupt or incompetent.
Personally I hope ISSO keep going and paying 5%. There's worse than them - and I believe their intentions are good (just they're pretty crap). All the time people think their 5% is OK then I can skip a day or two here and there, put in little effort and still come out smelling of roses. And that suits me just fine.
Just don't come out with this "0.0 is harder than Empire" rubbish. I live, fight and trade in 0.0. And even allowing for depreciation of T2 stock the profits are easy and good.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: FastLearner on 16/10/2007 00:29:36
Originally by: Mark Weston
Where did this weird idea come from that all the members of the ISS alliance were employees of the shareholders?
This was never remotely true, or intended to be true.
ISS is a small 0.0 alliance doing all the things alliances who are heavily involved in the Great War do. Individual pilots in ISS are going to be worrying about reinforcement timers on the F4R POSs, not maximising shareholder return.
ISSO is a business run by Stins and, presumably, a handful of assistants.
To an extent I agree with you. I believe the entire "we have a whole alliance working for us" line wass just total BS. But having fed the public BS on that, they should deliver on somethign else to salvage their reputation. I'd say the truith is that ISSO nowadays is run by a handful of people desperate to satisfy their shareholders - but lacking in the basic abilities necessary to do so. it's a shame they've sunk so low but at some stage they need to face up to it - and admit they're actually pretty bad at making ISK.
That said, all the time the forums are full of apoogists they can draw things out. No need to actually deliver or give explanations whilst there's a horde of people willing to dress up excuses as rationalisations.
let me be clear: ISSO makes absolutely no difference to me (beyond beng a handy comparison when I want to stroke my e-peen). I've never had problems raising capital I need (quite the opposite) and probably never will. It's just sad that Eve players' expectations are as low as they are and somehow someone who promises a minimum of crap and only ever delivers crap is seen as doing well. When, of course, they're just crap.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:40:00 -
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Some official comment from ISS on this :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621801
May be of use. The poster is gutless, anonymous alt - but much of the content of their previous posts has proven to have at least some basis in fact. A prompt denial by ISS senior figures may well prevent any panic selling.
I have no association with, or knowledge of the identity of, the alt in the linked post. But if that were my company being mentioned I'd want to know about it ASAP and issue a categorical denial (unless it were true, of course).
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Lefouret
Originally by: FastLearner
Some official comment from ISS on this :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621801
May be of use. The poster is gutless, anonymous alt - but much of the content of their previous posts has proven to have at least some basis in fact. A prompt denial by ISS senior figures may well prevent any panic selling.
I have no association with, or knowledge of the identity of, the alt in the linked post. But if that were my company being mentioned I'd want to know about it ASAP and issue a categorical denial (unless it were true, of course).
The bond this guy is talking about is not related to isso. This bond in particular was set-up to pay for the thirt iss outpost in esoteria.
Good to know.
As you seem to have some contact to ISS, maybe you could let them know that their buy-back order on RESX has sold-out (a few days ago) and a new one is needed?
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: FastLearner
Originally by: Martin Lefouret
Originally by: FastLearner
Some official comment from ISS on this :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621801
May be of use. The poster is gutless, anonymous alt - but much of the content of their previous posts has proven to have at least some basis in fact. A prompt denial by ISS senior figures may well prevent any panic selling.
I have no association with, or knowledge of the identity of, the alt in the linked post. But if that were my company being mentioned I'd want to know about it ASAP and issue a categorical denial (unless it were true, of course).
The bond this guy is talking about is not related to isso. This bond in particular was set-up to pay for the thirt iss outpost in esoteria.
Good to know.
As you seem to have some contact to ISS, maybe you could let them know that their buy-back order on RESX has sold-out (a few days ago) and a new one is needed?
How big was that order, just out of curiosity sake 
I'm only going by transaction history on RESX. Looks like the last 250ish of the order sold out earlier this week. If there'd been an active buy-back order up I'd probably not have even mentioned the alt thread - as that would have pretty much proved the allegation wrong.
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