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Odium47	Posted - 2007.10.03 19:00:00 - [31] FireAnt, dont struggle that much, for these people there is only one answer: "Zarathustra: How can you live knowing that someone can be immortal and you can't ?"
Zendoc InQuest Ascension R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:45:00 - [32] Just browsing this board and I had to do a double take when I saw this thread. I thought for sure you were being fececious and this was going to be a rant on how overpowered DDD was. I just had to stop in here and tell you how ridiculous your allegations are. What are you talking about DDD needs a nerf? You're nuts man. You're talking about a weapon that single handedly 1 shots FLEETS at a time. In order to survive a doomsday you have to be 100% specified to tank only that specific damage type, not to mention it would completley nerf the effectiveness of the rest of your ship (especially if it is an interdictor). Titans NEVER travel alone, I would hope that someone in the fleet the titan is traveling with is fitted with the opposite kind of damage of the titan's DDD and can easily pick off whatever targets might be fitted specifically for it.
Hamatitio Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Hamatitio Thulsa Doom also went, apparently, ~600m/sec. Seeing as how it is unwebbable, and its DDD destroys all bubbles on the field, IMO it was probably more a matter of lag/desynch/fighter bumping than the dictor tanking it. Read the reply from seleene in the kill thread. It was the surviving dictor that did it. I did read the kill, if you read ETs post, Thulsa Doom was not in a bubble for (19 or 40 seconds i don't quite remember - each one is more than enough time) While unbubbled he was bumped, thus, death. I won't fight the fact that the dictor did play a big part in it, but a minimum 19 second window is more than enough time to warp a fresh dictor in off the battlefield, I don't think its that big of a deal. That is just my opinion tho, you have yours. You won't change mine, I won't change yours, so I suppose its a waste of time :) Hijack this
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:13:00 - [34] Thulsa's top speed was about 250-280 in a flat out run. He was not a total nano set up. Not even close. In terms of damage, I do think the DD could do with a SLIGHT boost. Certianly enough to clear the field of frigates. Also, it's hardly the ultimate weapon people make it out to be. I've hit fleets with 55 battleships in them and gotten eight kills. Eight out of fifty-five. Regardless, IMO the DD has two functions: First strike / system defense weapon Last resort / escape weapon I've been on both sides of these things multiple times and they should be a bit more powerful than they are. A 10-20% increase to the base damage or having the skill increase damage by 5% per level maybe wouldn't be such a bad idea. I mean... it's a DOOMSDAY weapon. People should want to get off the damn grid when it goes off don't you think? - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:20:00 - [35] DD on my op9non should be NERFED. They should not even be able to kill anything Bigger than a cruiser. Its ridiculous that a ship can make all non capitals ship useless. TIANS are the worse thing in this game, EVER!!!! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Belial02 Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:21:00 - [36] No, we'd rather tank it, then kill it. Originally by: Omeega diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
burning raven omen.	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:24:00 - [37] Edited by: burning raven on 04/10/2007 13:24:43 to say a t2 fitted dictor can tank it is crazy but what about when these dictor cruisers come in, same thing with them i guess, just they wont require as much of a dedicated anti dd setup as they will have a higher hp buffer anyway
Zosana	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Kagura Nikon DD on my op9non should be NERFED. They should not even be able to kill anything Bigger than a cruiser. Its ridiculous that a ship can make all non capitals ship useless. TIANS are the worse thing in this game, EVER!!!! Boohoo.
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:26:00 - [39] i foresee, t2 battleships > titan. oh the whining that will occur after the first titan gets ganked by a flock of those --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:29:00 - [40] Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:31:00 - [41] Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. Killing all capitals is not anti blobing. because the huge blobs of today have as many capitals as non capitals ships. Just look at FAT fight of yesterday. If titans must kill all sub capital, then they must kill all capitals too. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. Killing all capitals is not anti blobing. because the huge blobs of today have as many capitals as non capitals ships. Just look at FAT fight of yesterday. If titans must kill all sub capital, then they must kill all capitals too. Why kill the caps? Caps and specific tanked bs i can see tanking a ddd. this thread was about interdictors tanking a ddd. Flycatcher hitpoints = 2002 raven hitpoints = 20782 phoenix hitpoints = 531250 no way in hell a 2002 hitpoint ship should tank a doomsday. and you are a idiot for saying caps should die also.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Kagura Nikon on 04/10/2007 14:13:27 Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. Killing all capitals is not anti blobing. because the huge blobs of today have as many capitals as non capitals ships. Just look at FAT fight of yesterday. If titans must kill all sub capital, then they must kill all capitals too. Why kill the caps? Caps and specific tanked bs i can see tanking a ddd. this thread was about interdictors tanking a ddd. Flycatcher hitpoints = 2002 raven hitpoints = 20782 phoenix hitpoints = 531250 no way in hell a 2002 hitpoint ship should tank a doomsday. and you are a idiot for saying caps should die also. I am talking that to people saying all BS should die too. And youa re an idiot for calling someoen idiot for using a exageration. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/10/2007 13:24:51 Thulsa's top speed was about 250-280 in a flat out run. He was not a total nano set up. Not even close. In terms of damage, I do think the DD could do with a SLIGHT boost. Certianly enough to clear the field of frigates. Also, it's hardly the ultimate weapon people make it out to be. I've hit fleets with 55 battleships in them and gotten eight kills. Eight out of fifty-five. Regardless, IMO the DD has two functions: First strike / system defense weapon Last resort / escape weapon I've been on both sides of these things multiple times and they should be a bit more powerful than they are. It's a DOOMSDAY weapon. People should want to get off the damn grid when it goes off don't you think? I could agree with a boost to them, provided everyone on grid gets a warning timer..'Shrike has initiated his Doomsday Device which will go off in 30 seconds' so you get at least some time to gtfo. Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:26:00 - [45] I like that, while most large scale fleet fights where the doomsday has a chance to really shine are completely unplayable due to lag, but people still argue about balance. When you theorycraft about doomsdays, you should take into account that many times, server conditions do not allow for a warp out, hence tanking them isn't really overpowered.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:27:00 - [46] Originally by: FireAnt Why kill the caps? Caps and specific tanked bs i can see tanking a ddd. this thread was about interdictors tanking a ddd. Flycatcher hitpoints = 2002 raven hitpoints = 20782 phoenix hitpoints = 531250 no way in hell a 2002 hitpoint ship should tank a doomsday. and you are a idiot for saying caps should die also. Even if the DD would be boosted, even if it costs a couple bil, they will find a way to have an interdictor tank the DD. It's just too valuable. Remember that cruiser interdictors are coming as well. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
Kailiao The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:03:00 - [47] Remove all capitals from eve, problem solved, imho, they schould not have been added to the game in the first place.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.04 17:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Kailiao Remove all capitals from eve, problem solved, imho, they schould not have been added to the game in the first place. Good luck killing deathstar poses with your BS fleet Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.04 17:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. Killing all capitals is not anti blobing. because the huge blobs of today have as many capitals as non capitals ships. Just look at FAT fight of yesterday. If titans must kill all sub capital, then they must kill all capitals too. The titan was designed way back when capitals were somewhat hard to come by and had a large lack of hitpoints. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 18:00:00 - [50] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/10/2007 13:29:35 The DD is designed to wipe the floor with any noncapital ship,it was an anti-blobbing device...However people have adapted. Tbh i dont mind this,if a fleet isnt DD proof then they die,and even if they are they usually dont pack reppers so your own fleet should be able to pick off the half-armored fools. Killing all capitals is not anti blobing. because the huge blobs of today have as many capitals as non capitals ships. Just look at FAT fight of yesterday. If titans must kill all sub capital, then they must kill all capitals too. The titan was designed way back when capitals were somewhat hard to come by and had a large lack of hitpoints. I just posted that to raise the question> Why must be a clearly defined barrier where all survive or all die happens? That is very bad for gameplay. I for instance think DD should be WEAKER and be able to be fired more often. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Digiblast Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:02:00 - [51] What the Titans really need is a BOOST. Make them able to do the same damage as the dreads while not have to go into siege mode. Either Make the 6-7 turrets or launchers do the same ammount of dps as a dread in siege mode or 2 times that.(Guns whould have no tracking penelty) Make them able to tank like dreads/carriers like they do in siege/triage mode. Remove the Gang bonuses to have effect in system and make them only work if you are in the same grid as the leader. This "whould" should make these beasts to show up in every battle where they should show up. It's a shame that players on the lvl like Shrike, Evil Thug, Thulsa Doom, Orange Species and ChowDown (+ other dead titan pilots and unknown) to have to hide like some paranoied Sniper on a safe, cloaked and wait for a good moment to warp in and strike and run like a scared rabit back to his hole. AND cloaking device on a TITAN I mean come on... I demand a cloaking device for outposts and posses! In fact I whould like to see that only Recons or Coverts ships to be able to cloaked since they are made to do so.

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