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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.02.19 10:35:00 -
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In yesterday's CSM the devs said that tech2 construction component BP's will be brought in-game at some point.
Of course this could be tomorrow or next year, but this strongly suggests that ppl should start selling their stock at a reasonable price (say 2x the cost of the minerals you would get if recycling) because once these blueprints come in it'll be much harder to sell for much more than the base mineral price.
Hopefully in the long term this will have a dampening effect on tech2 prices, however the devs also mentioned that they expect the morphite price to significantly rise in the future.. 
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Femintaki
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Posted - 2004.02.19 10:43:00 -
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Thanks for the update Mach - time to get a lot of morphite in then :D I think I am going to need it.....
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:07:00 -
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tbh i doubt it.....we all know what soon(tm) means
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Lanius
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:10:00 -
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i have a question do you sell
yours tech II construction component
for 2x the cost of the minerals
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:28:00 -
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Hellmar > no, we have not discussed trade goods but T2 components will probably have blueprints
"probably" is not even soon !
PS: Buying Loot-Mods and Implants at double Mineral Value - awaiting your offers, Mem-Implants and Alpha Hull Mod Cargo Expanders prefered - awaiting your offers !
The limited supply sets the price, not the mineral value ! - if I would want to sell the tech 2 components at double mineral value I¦d make more ISK mining and selling the minerals I get ....
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.02.19 11:35:00 -
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Lanius, whenever i place on the market it's generally the lowest in the region. TBH i don't work out the precise value of each item.
Don't really have many left now (having guiltily plundered most of it pre-patch for the mega and zyd  ), and i don't tend to do many agent missions at the moment (too busy manufacturing, helping out inexperienced corp members, and feeding that wh*re of a research agent) so while i'm espousing the cause of cheap tech2 components, i can only practise what i preach in a limited fashion.
However, i'm looking to trade my remaining Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari tech2 construction components for the Gallente equivalent. If anyone is interested in doing this, please evemail me in-game.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.19 14:56:00 -
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Bah, 2x the recycling price for rare items? I'll give you 5x the price of recycling value of 27% expander, why don't you sell me few? Pay the piper or don't build tech2
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:03:00 -
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... (say 2x the cost of the minerals you would get if recycling)...
You'd have to have a pretty good personal standing towards me to get it for 2x recycle value.
With the way most T2 builders happily mark up their items a couple of times over, I'll happily mark up mine to pick a grain from this profitable T2 market.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 19/02/2004 16:15:36
"Pay the piper or don't build tech2"
... Yeah, and then you get the people whine "omg you are selling small/medium tech.2 modules for price higher than the ships themselves cost, are you nuts" because they fail to realize they're partially responsible by driving the costs up. :s
(there's quite a bit of tech.2 components offered in Caldari regions for ~8-20k though, generally close to that 'double mineral value' price mentioned)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:32:00 -
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Yes more bp's for R&D agents. Thats what I like. Then the whines only increase when the guys that have the tech II bp also get the the tech component bp.....
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.02.19 16:46:00 -
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I must confess I find some of the arguments used to justify the high prices of tech2 components fairly spurious.
Firstly, we all know agents drop gallons of the stuff (an awful lot more than named loot and implants - judging by my lvl3 agent i'd say it was 100 tech2 components for every 1 implant/named loot).
Secondly, the comparison with implants and named loot is inaccurate, as we now know the BPs for tech2 components will be in-game at some point. The only reason named loot and implants have commanded such high prices is solely due to the inability to manufacture these items.
Thirdly, tech2 manufactured items *do* have to follow the pricing of tech1 items and named loot items to an extent. E.g. (i'm not checking prices here so forgive me if they're a little out) looking at 10Mn Afterburners - tech1 items giving a 35% velocity boost are 50k each, rising to 1.5mill for 40% boost. Tech 2 10mn afterburners give 45% velocity boost - a nice item to have for sure but ultimately one not worth an 8mill figure i've heard being bandied around.
Fourthly, and this for me is key: because named loot cannot be manufactured, it's the only reason why they attract such high prices in the first place. With better (i.e. tech2) items coming into the game now, these prices *should* drop an awful lot, but *only* if these items can be brought to market at a reasonable price. i.e. who'd pay 1.5mill for a 40% afterburner when a 45% one costs the same price?
Fifthly, i've been manufacturing for a few months now (doing it for myself so fairly small-scale in the grand scheme of things) and i quickly learnt that it's far preferable to sell more volume at a lower margin than a trickle of sales at a high margin. I really wonder right now whether this will turn out to be the case with tech2 manufacturers.
Finally, i don't have a tech2 bp, and if i get one (and undoubtedly it'll be a tech2 civilian shield booster  ) i'd actually like to put all this into practice! 
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:07:00 -
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I think it will be a shame if they bring out Blue Prints for the components.
And the price for components will level off at the correct level natrally though supply and demand.
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:14:00 -
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I think it will be a shame if they bring out Blue Prints for the components.
And the price for components will level off at the correct level natrally though supply and demand.
yes, i agree that it is a shame really - i suspect it's only a response to the lifeless market that we currently have.
My hunch why the market has failed with these products is that because ppl recieve these items for 'free' to begin with (excluding time spent doing agent missions as a cost). Thus there's no real urgency for people to sell them.
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kunggggg
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: kunggggg on 19/02/2004 17:21:47
nah price wont drop remember recycle T2 parts gave u zyd and mega before
so if u bp gets ingame ull need meg and zyd for construction of the parts no doubt about that
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:25:00 -
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so if u bp gets ingame ull need meg and zyd for construction of the parts no doubt about that
Disagree - i can't accept that CCP would 'unnerf' the items because they can now be manufactured. That would just be too damn rude.
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:42:00 -
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I get some compontents but the reasons im not selling them at moment are:
1) I might need them for BYO when the ships and stuff come out.
2) I have small amounts of lots of components (the largest amount i have is 204 ion thrusters)
3) You don't know which components will be difficult to get hold off and which every one will get
4) The people with the Blue Prints for tech 2 items will hold the keys to the game, its going to be a long time b4 i can get my skills up for an R&D agent (im doing Navy agent as well) buy then all tech 2 BP's will be dished out or ill be so far behind i will have no chance of getting any. Having a stock pile of rare componets might enable me to get hold of some of that cool technology.
5) I have no idea what people are prepared to pay.
6) I have no idea how many componets will be needed for ships still to come
But i think that a lot of people are going to end up with Tech 2 componets and then sell them for realistic prices. Just like the prices of inteceptors will go down.
and your right lots of people are probably hoarding Tech2 Components at moment. but thats a natrual reaction to a new market things will settle down in a within the month.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.19 17:47:00 -
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I'd like to sell all my techII building components since I'll never train the skills to build that stuff.. but it seems as though most people with techII blueprints are lamers who think they can buy this stuff at mineral value or lower.
I actually had a guy with the audacity to convo me asking me to sell all my components for less than I could recycle them for.
The reason? So 'people could get techII modules'.
rofl plz...
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.02.19 19:14:00 -
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Saying that tech 2 components should cost only 2x mineral value is ridiculous.
People will determine the value of those items. If people WANT those items, and the seller and the buyer can agree on a price, then that's what that item is worth.
Do you see battleships selling for 2x mineral value? cruisers?
No. Why? Because both the buyers and the sellers have come to an understanding of what those items should be.
Let the market sort it out. Personally, I'm seeing databases and tools in the 40k-60k range usually. That's not so unreasonable, given the fact that they can be repaired.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.02.19 20:08:00 -
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wow I just noticed I still have a bunch of stuff from the few weeks I ran agent missions. I wonder what it's worth...
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