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Andromeda Lee
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:28:00 -
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Can we have a arena and ladder system for 1v1 competition where we can challenge friends enemies anyone to a fight, and then allow people to bet on matches etc in a safe environment.
PLEEEEASe.
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Hastrabull
Caldari
Beach Boys
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:36:00 -
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please... please... please...
no.
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Lord Pelivar
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:45:00 -
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please please please
yes ;)
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Andromeda Lee
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:46:00 -
[4]
why not what would it hurt ?
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Hastrabull
Caldari
Beach Boys
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:49:00 -
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its not WOW. Why would u need such an arena? You want to place bets, make tourney, organize one in 0.0. you have tools for this.
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Andromeda Lee
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Hastrabull
its not WOW. Why would u need such an arena? You want to place bets, make tourney, organize one in 0.0. you have tools for this.
AH why do I bother this comunity is rediculous.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:55:00 -
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1) Drop 1 item from each ship to battle
2) Steal from each others cans - you get kill rights
3) battle it out -
4) ???
5) Profit
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Filoviridae
Minmatar
Devious - Special Forces
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Filoviridae on 04/10/2007 07:56:33
Originally by: Andromeda Lee
Originally by: Hastrabull
its not WOW. Why would u need such an arena? You want to place bets, make tourney, organize one in 0.0. you have tools for this.
AH why do I bother this comunity is rediculous.
AH why do I bother this community is ridiculous.****
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Rilder
Caldari
THC LTD
Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rilder on 04/10/2007 08:57:25
Originally by: Andromeda Lee
AH why do I bother this comunity is rediculous.
If only the whiners would adapt this.
If you suggest something stupid or whine about something your gonna get flamed to death period, is it really that hard to understand?!
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:15:00 -
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In fact she's right... this community has become ridiculous somewhere between 15 & 25K users online.
She has a legit question and you answer "it's not wow" ? My friend, market will dictate what it is. If enough people ask this it will eventually be implemented.
since long, eve is not the niche product anymore it used to be... The argument that this community is better than others is broken down by some of the inconstructive and very poor 14-year old like comments in this thread.
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Altterra
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
1) Drop 1 item from each ship to battle
2) Steal from each others cans - you get kill rights
3) battle it out -
4) ???
5) Profit
HA ha ha , what kind of suggestion is that?! He asked for a system to actually make the fights a bit more organized, not for one of those beta-like duel-mechanics that's being used today.
I understand his request completely, it's not always that you want to do "I-gank-your-mommy"-style of PvP.
Sometimes you just want a match that's organized, fast to get into and fun, even if it holds the risk of you losing your ship.
I don't see why arena-fights are not already in, as if humankind wouldn't have found the need for it by now?
Stop flaming the guy and give reasonable comments instead of just the usual "you don't like it? quit or stop being stupid". Whiney community with an ego the size of a Goonswarm blob.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:38:00 -
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Some suggestion:
1) next time use the "Features and ideas discussions" forum, it is there for this kind of suggestion;
2) don't beg for it, give some reason why it can be cool and some background reason for (Ammar emperor getting slaves to fight in the arena and then the system evolving to modern day mercenaryes working for TV-networks? Honor duels between proxyes for corp/nobles/plitical figures?)
3) suggest a mecanic and why the current options aren't good (chance of pirates attacking the duelants in in low sec, sec loss, ecc.)
That will give your post some chance of getting something done.
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LaVista Vista
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:38:00 -
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If the community have sports and can provide a safe enviroment for 1v1's, EBank will provide a safe way of betting.
Let not have CCP make the feature for us, because it will be bugged and limited to innovation.
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Tarrant Valkener
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
1) Drop 1 item from each ship to battle
2) Steal from each others cans - you get kill rights
3) battle it out -
4) ???
5) Profit
wrong
1) go to 0.0
2) battel it out
3) ???
4) Profit
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.04 09:57:00 -
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This is about as close as you will get at this point
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Darius Prime
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.04 10:01:00 -
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yawn, go to 0.0
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Plave Okice
Gallente
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.04 10:02:00 -
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Go to 0.0
Go to low sec
Drop cans and flag each other in high sec
All these things allow you do what you discussed, the game needs no extra mechanism.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2007.10.04 11:15:00 -
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I'd say "Why not". But it'd probably end up somewhere way below the end of the "to do" list.
0.0 isn't really a good idea. It's supposed to be a fair(remember the word?) fight. You can't have that in 0.0, someone WILL jump in, even if just to be an ass.
@OP: Please use a descriptive title next time. Something like "Idea: Arena system" or something.
That way more people who aren't simply bored will read it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.04 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/10/2007 12:29:53
Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/10/2007 12:28:59
WHy are peopl e talking about this?
mno really it's called sisi, you can ask for one on one fights, if someone breaks this you can get them banned in about 5 mins.
everything on the market is more or less free, and you test set ups to your hreats content, if anything they will find a way of getting on sisi more easily.
but really now, your want a one on one? go on sisi, where do think most tourniments are held?
not to mention alliance tournament practice, titan duels, one on one frigate fights,
learning your wolf with an afterburner is going to get one shotted in a one on one with a huond, priceless.
Now how no one else brought up this fact I have no idea.
hell sometimes I can't help but go super carebear and stay on sisi more a month or two for the most part.
I love the feel of mathmaticaly figuring out how everything works and then testing it.
and then saving my killmails for good kills.
well if you want a 1 on 1 you'll know where to find me :)
p.s. this community is still pretty good compared to Others. I just need to get back into full forum warrior mode to keep things civil :)
p.s.s. (my god my grammer) :(
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.04 12:26:00 -
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maybe they could put in a ladder system on sisi, that would be pretty cool.
and while they are at it just make everything free free instead of 5 isk :P
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.04 12:27:00 -
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1) Copy your EVE folder.
2) Challenge a guy.
3) Both of you log on Sisi.
4) ARENA!
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.10.04 12:49:00 -
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I don't think an arena system need be written off so completely, especially with irrelevant retorts such as ''it's not WoW''. What the OP is proposing is different to the randomness of [low|null]sec PvP, and to suggest that going through systems shouting ''looking for duel, 1v1, battleships'' is some form of indication of a game mechanic for simple no-bull**** PvP is pretty daft.
Let's expand on what this idea could entail. We already have the Caldari Gaming Commission, which I believe is the RP organisation that 'runs' the PvP tournaments. The same way you might see a spaceship deathrace in Star Trek, an organised, fully game-mechanic'd PvP arena could add a great amount of depth to the game. You could have categories of competition based around ship classes, tech level restrictions, gang sizes, combat SP (gotta make the field fair), and award ISK and points for matches you are involved in. Perhaps those points could be exchanged for items, much like a PvP variant of the LP store.
It could be instanced (*gasp*) or held in randomly-spawned mission-esque deadspaces, but I think the instance idea works better, because you would need to link together arena offices from all over Empire in order to make it populous enough to work. Competitors would be flash-cloned to a new body at an arena HQ, in a ship identical to the one they brought to the arena (the original is taken by the arena station as collateral), and warped to the competition area at their chosen distance from a central beacon. Spectators could be flash-cloned into shuttles and placed in a stasis field outside the competition boundaries, where they are unable to move and unable to be targetted.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that it should be like WoW's arena. An important facet of EVE's competitivity, and why many of us prefer it to 'lesser' games like WoW, is that when you lose your ship, it's an actual, physical loss, as the ship and its mods have real-world time/effort value. You should definitely lose your ship for real when you lose it in an arena battle - any different and it would be very un-EVE and that's when it starts to get uninteresting, when the Risk vs. Reward starts to tip too far in favour of the Reward.
That's just a few ideas on how this concept could be very EVE.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:03:00 -
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Ok, well Im going to say no to this suggestion, but notjust because it's WOW like. Arena Combat feels contrived. Applying such a concept damages the immersion of existing in a living breathing universe.
If you create a Arena why fight anywhere else? It would become a Jita of laggy pvp, with long ques of ships waiting to enter. Fewer and fewer players would conduct pvp outside of the arena and 'arena specific' fits would become common place. Quickly following this would be 'whine ship 'Y' is useless in arena battles - it needs moar stuff!!11!'.
WOW went down this road and pvp rarely occurs outside of the artificial environments of the battlefields. So you end up with a 'pvp in this box, pve in this box' gaming world.
One of Eves great strengths is that the lines are blurred as to where pvp might occur, introducing the element of uncertainty and risk when ever you log on. Arenas would destroy that feeling, and you'd probably be better of playing something else.
C.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Ok, well Im going to say no to this suggestion, but notjust because it's WOW like. Arena Combat feels contrived. Applying such a concept damages the immersion of existing in a living breathing universe.
If you create a Arena why fight anywhere else? It would become a Jita of laggy pvp, with long ques of ships waiting to enter. Fewer and fewer players would conduct pvp outside of the arena and 'arena specific' fits would become common place. Quickly following this would be 'whine ship 'Y' is useless in arena battles - it needs moar stuff!!11!'.
WOW went down this road and pvp rarely occurs outside of the artificial environments of the battlefields. So you end up with a 'pvp in this box, pve in this box' gaming world.
One of Eves great strengths is that the lines are blurred as to where pvp might occur, introducing the element of uncertainty and risk when ever you log on. Arenas would destroy that feeling, and you'd probably be better of playing something else.
C.
Truth.
Izo Azlion.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kastar
In fact she's right... this community has become ridiculous somewhere between 15 & 25K users online.
She has a legit question and you answer "it's not wow" ? My friend, market will dictate what it is. If enough people ask this it will eventually be implemented.
since long, eve is not the niche product anymore it used to be... The argument that this community is better than others is broken down by some of the inconstructive and very poor 14-year old like comments in this thread.
I for one will keep on fighting to keep this game a niche product. Having no fail safe and a lot of risk/trust is what EvE is about. You trust you corp m8s, even though they can rip you off at a moments notice. You risk your ship every time you undock or jump.
You don't do that in WoW. At most, you will lose about 2 minutes walking back to your corpse, and thats on the tough servers.
What is asked for is a risk free and controlled enviroment to "goof" around in. That is not EvE.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:35:00 -
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WTF is up with the immediate refusal to an idea because WoW happens to have it? Implementing a feature isn't going to turn the game into WoW.
****, the ROMANS had arenas. Why don't people ***** that EVE would be too much like ancient Rome? I don't think that considering the idea of putting in an arena for 1vs1 fights is going to mean we'll have dark elves in the game the next week.
The mere fact that you have to ghetto can flag to get the same functionality is a good point toward having such a system. It's obviously needed enough that people have found a way to imperfectly duplicate it.
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Druadan on 04/10/2007 13:37:55
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, well Im going to say no to this suggestion, but notjust because it's WOW like. Arena Combat feels contrived. Applying such a concept damages the immersion of existing in a living breathing universe.
If you create a Arena why fight anywhere else? It would become a Jita of laggy pvp, with long ques of ships waiting to enter. Fewer and fewer players would conduct pvp outside of the arena and 'arena specific' fits would become common place. Quickly following this would be 'whine ship 'Y' is useless in arena battles - it needs moar stuff!!11!'.
WOW went down this road and pvp rarely occurs outside of the artificial environments of the battlefields. So you end up with a 'pvp in this box, pve in this box' gaming world.
One of Eves great strengths is that the lines are blurred as to where pvp might occur, introducing the element of uncertainty and risk when ever you log on. Arenas would destroy that feeling, and you'd probably be better of playing something else.
C.
This is quite true.
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
The mere fact that you have to ghetto can flag to get the same functionality is a good point toward having such a system. It's obviously needed enough that people have found a way to imperfectly duplicate it.
As is this.
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I nearly finish carriers, and they nerf it.
I nearly finish Amarr recons, and they make them useless.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
What is asked for is a risk free and controlled enviroment to "goof" around in. That is not EvE.
What exactly is risk free about the idea of two people entering an area, and only one leaving?
When it comes down to it, an arena that didn't allow warp outs would be about as much risk as you can get. Someone's **** is going to explode. You can't guarantee that much risk anywhere else.
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Orias Fringe Enterprises
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:38:00 -
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yeah..... halo has it.... I say implement it, make eve more like halo YEEEEAAAH!!!! WOOOHOOOO!!!
(That should be enough to steer CCP away from anything remotely like it.)
also, if you think about it, eve already has a ladder system: become the alliance with sovereignty in the most systems and you are atop the ladder. think for a moment adnromeda, instead of hacing everything spelled out for you, and you might get somewhere in life.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:46:00 -
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Hi Andromeda.
Firstly, no.
Secondly, this is funny because the people saying "no" are the first to sit down with their Eve TV subsciption to tune into the PvP Alliance Tournament, now with added FanFest (tm), presumably with a cup of warm water, a rolled up newspaper and box of tissues.
It seems that tournaments are ok for CCP's favourite media darling poster girl alliances, but not good for the rest of us.... common folk... plebelians....
And who am I to argue with CCP?
Nobody. That's who. So... NO.
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