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The ArchWarder
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 04:28:00 -
[61]
Add one low, take away one mid and add 3000PG and you have the nightmare preforming the way it was supposed to.
I really dont want to have to sell my cosmos and officer tank.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.10.07 05:15:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Cyan Nuevo
Well having a shield-specific bonus would kinda suck in my opinion as in their current state the ships could be armor-tanked, and choices are good. I can't, however, think of a very good, more Caldariish bonus to give instead of the tracking.
Optimal would be a more traditional Caldari bonus. However, I think 50% Optimal + Mega Pulses or Tachs is probably not something CCP wants. . . That would kinda remove Mega Pulse from the category of 'short' range weapon.
I find these. . . interesting to say the least. 100% damage as a replacement for 50% cap and to free up highslots is definitely new.
So what happens to missile launchers fitted if this goes live? Do they just automatically offline?
Also, how are we supposed to test these out on SISI for rebalancing?
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:32:00 -
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Whether the ship is better now is besides the point. Sansha are armor tanking laser/missle users. TS mods are armor tanking, Slave implants are armor tanking. Are they going to take the TS armor mods out? Or swap them for DB? Add shield mods?
Speaking of mods, are Serp/Domi tanking mods going to get the balance i think they need Vs T2 and better faction mods? Faction mods in general could use a good looking over with the amount of changes that have gone on, seeing as we're in that territory.
Also this change is going to severly upset the balance between faction ships again. I seriously hope they're all getting overhauled for once. I've always been under the impression that faction ships were suppose to be a good cross-section merge of races. The lineup is irratic at best.
I never understood why we have 3 different versions of the Megathron for starters. 4 if you include the Federate. At least the Rattlesnake uses the Scorpion model despite being a Raven.
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I'm rambling...
Originally by: consider telos
..then we had a fight and he was so dead and
then I like became champion of eve and then
ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked
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Ratzap
Gallente
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.10.07 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Whether the ship is better now is besides the point. Sansha are armor tanking laser/missle users. TS mods are armor tanking, Slave implants are armor tanking. Are they going to take the TS armor mods out? Or swap them for DB? Add shield mods?
Speaking of mods, are Serp/Domi tanking mods going to get the balance i think they need Vs T2 and better faction mods? Faction mods in general could use a good looking over with the amount of changes that have gone on, seeing as we're in that territory.
Also this change is going to severly upset the balance between faction ships again. I seriously hope they're all getting overhauled for once. I've always been under the impression that faction ships were suppose to be a good cross-section merge of races. The lineup is irratic at best.
QFT.
Those of us who actually own a Nightmare already are not looking for the mathematically proven best pwnage available. We picked the ship because we liked the look, the flexibility of 4/4 split, the armour tank , just to be different or any combo of these.
I've rolled with a lot of punches since starting playing eve and I'll deal with whatever CCP goes with this time. I'd just much rather they didn't turn it into yet another shield tank. The market for shield mods is already stupid thanks to "Caldari Online".
Ratzap
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.07 13:31:00 -
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Yea, well those of us who didnt pick up these ships because they sucked balls have a right to rejoice. And you guys who bought the ships when they sucked shouldnt bring us down.
I mean, a split weapon layout isnt that bad if you are able to fit a full compliment of drones, a complete rack of the highest weapons and at least a single rep tank. You cant even fit a full compliment of weapons on these ships for fear of running out of cpu right now, let alone a tank. They are terrible.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.07 14:12:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ratzap
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Whether the ship is better now is besides the point. Sansha are armor tanking laser/missle users. TS mods are armor tanking, Slave implants are armor tanking. Are they going to take the TS armor mods out? Or swap them for DB? Add shield mods?
Speaking of mods, are Serp/Domi tanking mods going to get the balance i think they need Vs T2 and better faction mods? Faction mods in general could use a good looking over with the amount of changes that have gone on, seeing as we're in that territory.
Also this change is going to severly upset the balance between faction ships again. I seriously hope they're all getting overhauled for once. I've always been under the impression that faction ships were suppose to be a good cross-section merge of races. The lineup is irratic at best.
QFT.
Those of us who actually own a Nightmare already are not looking for the mathematically proven best pwnage available. We picked the ship because we liked the look, the flexibility of 4/4 split, the armour tank , just to be different or any combo of these.
I've rolled with a lot of punches since starting playing eve and I'll deal with whatever CCP goes with this time. I'd just much rather they didn't turn it into yet another shield tank. The market for shield mods is already stupid thanks to "Caldari Online".
Ratzap
Well said. Sell me your nightmare at cost please.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:55:00 -
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This is ALL good. Same DPS as an Abbadon @ 50% the cap usage and 2 high slots free for nos? How can that not make you*****in your pants, easy to keep cap low with a shield tank so the nos work or inject and use a neut. Absolute win.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Zendoc
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:59:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Zendoc on 09/11/2007 07:01:53
So this has been said like 15 times already... but 7 mids will make a ******* amazing passive tank WITH slots to spare. On top of that you have 5 lows to damage mod your heart out WITH slots to spare... Wtf is the problem again?
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: volly
First testing with Tachy setup:
17:09:11 Combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Serpentis Vice Admiral, wrecking for 3354.2 damage.
o_o :)
hehe.. damn. And you got 4 of those? Doing 13500 wolley damage? 
I know, most hits are scratches, but getting in a wrecking early in the fight would scare the pants of any BS pilot you're up against.
Now that I think of it, it's like the Maruders.. This is the Amarr mission ship. 
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