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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 13:30:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 06/10/2007 07:06:10
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
Stop crying. You wanted shieldtanking laser boats? HAVE FUN :)
EDIT:
after re-read. OMG O_o
There would never have been anything wrong with shield tanking laser boats. The cap arguement is dumb[shield tanks take up less cap], and heavily med slotted ships are more versitile and more powerful than their competitors on average.
These ships are just like that except even easier to fit.
To put this into perspective.
At 22.5km the new Sansha Cruiser will do 410 dps with guns, and 60 dps of drones.
A Harbinger does 478 and 158 respectivly.
The Sansha Cruiser will do 514 dps @ 7.5km with 60 dps worth of drones.
And it still has plenty of slots for ewar.
If they took away a med slot on each one of these ships, and made them t1, it would be pretty much all i would fly.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 13:46:00 -
[32]
And here is the problem.
"there is no problems with shields + lasers"
"plenty of mids for EWar"
So all in all they are ewar+laser ships not shieldtank ships. Another reason why ewar should be kicked in the nuts and be viable only on EWar ships (same what happened to ECM).
But not like i care. They look pretty decent tho not like they are better than abaddon anyways. Lasers are pish poor vs anything else than drones/sansha/bloods. So even if you tank em (not like abaddon had problems) you still take ages to kill em. Tho nightmare is more cap-efficient than aba thx to 4 guns and i guess it can get pretty nasty shieldtank there.
Well, will see how it works but as amarr arent getting khanid Apoc im not to keen on training caldari skills (otherwise id get torp + caldari bs after this = nightmare).
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 13:52:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Goumindong on 06/10/2007 13:53:20
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And here is the problem.
"there is no problems with shields + lasers"
"plenty of mids for EWar"
Fine, then lets passive tank the thing.
Mwd, web, scram, lse, lse, wildcard[
dc, heat sink, heat sink
EM rig, em rig, thermal rig
Plenty of resistances, huge amounts of shields, still completly super-awesome.
Even after the damp nerf they will be great.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 13:57:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 06/10/2007 13:58:22
I have no problem with tank on ship that is supposed to tank tbh. But i guess you know how current pvp looks like: "oi! free midslot! lets put damp!"
And like i said - they look pretty nice. Tho i wont bother with em myself, im not used to flying pimp ships when t2 does work well enough.
EDIT:
did i see it right? Does this ship outtank and outgank ZEALOT? Mwahahahhahaha
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Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.06 14:05:00 -
[35]
Only Eagle has less dps then Zealot.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 14:23:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 06/10/2007 13:58:22
I have no problem with tank on ship that is supposed to tank tbh. But i guess you know how current pvp looks like: "oi! free midslot! lets put damp!"
And like i said - they look pretty nice. Tho i wont bother with em myself, im not used to flying pimp ships when t2 does work well enough.
EDIT:
did i see it right? Does this ship outtank and outgank ZEALOT? Mwahahahhahaha
Its a lot slower, and a zealot that tries to out-tank it will, but in general, yes, it out-ganks a zealot by a good margain.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 14:36:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/10/2007 14:40:24
Changed from armor tanking missle/laser ships to Amarr ships with a shield tank?
Whats the point? You might aswell create a whole new faction.
Edit: ...and what about the TS faction mods? They drop armor tanking gears. You going to change that for shield tanking stuff?
Originally by: consider telos
..then we had a fight and he was so dead and
then I like became champion of eve and then
ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked
me to go out with him on a date to mcD' |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.10.06 15:31:00 -
[38]
Hmm shield tanked laser boats? Sansha has always been Missile spewing armour tanks in my eyes.
Having said that, a 100% damage bonus... sounds juicy
I have been playing with a passive tanked Tach Nightmare on Sisi
4x modulated tach
100mn AB 2
3x active hardeners 2
3x lse 2, or switch for your ewar or support of choice (it has 12K with no extenders)
3x heat sink 2
2x PDU 2
it has grid and cpu to spare, but one PDU is required
my gunnery skills are not exactly great (sub 1mil with weapon upgrades 5)
even so I was getting around 450-600 hits without wrecking
Was thinking about using Mega Pulses or an active tank, not tried these yet.
not sure about the pros/cons of tach/mega pulse but i think the active tank may break the cap
thoughts?
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters
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IzzyChan
Naqam
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:10:00 -
[39]
Changing from armor to shield tanking is pretty drastic imo. As someone that's been speccing for the armor tanking nightmare for months, this change makes me sad. :(
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:27:00 -
[40]
I'm still at a loss as to why CCP can't leave things alone that work perfectly fine and concerntrate on the things that actually need addressing.
Seriously, this is getting rediculous.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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volly
Amarr
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:32:00 -
[41]
First testing with Tachy setup:
17:09:11 Combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Serpentis Vice Admiral, wrecking for 3354.2 damage.
o_o :)
Volly
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: IzzyChan
Changing from armor to shield tanking is pretty drastic imo. As someone that's been speccing for the armor tanking nightmare for months, this change makes me sad. :(
QFT CCP, come on - They've armour tanked since time began. Dont make them laughable - how cap stable is a Nightmare going to be with a load of lasers and a shield tank, knowing full well how much cap lasers and shields use.
Izo Azlion.
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IzzyChan
Naqam
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Posted - 2007.10.06 17:34:00 -
[43]
Yah that reminds me..... Sansha slave implants are for armor tanking, as with a few sansha faction armor mods. Having the Sansha ships shield tank? I'm lost for words there.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:05:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Elmicker on 06/10/2007 18:10:13
Anyone else thinking what i'm thinking?
8 effective turrets.
Damage bonus.
Tracking bonus.
High midslot and lowslot count.
Cap use of 4 turrets.
2 Utility slots.
Sniping God?
Or hell, depending on the mass + cpa viability, close range pulse boat o'doom!  . might be time to spec amarr, tbfh.
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Capt Rapace
Alpha Production Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:19:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 06/10/2007 18:10:13
Anyone else thinking what i'm thinking?
8 effective turrets.
Damage bonus.
Tracking bonus.
High midslot and lowslot count.
Cap use of 4 turrets.
2 Utility slots.
Sniping God?
Or hell, depending on the mass + cpa viability, close range pulse boat o'doom! . might be time to spec amarr, tbfh.
It costs me about 50 mil to fully replace a sniping tempest. If you're cool with losing a clean bil every time one of these pops, go ahead, snipe away. (Btw, you're looking at 500dps, pretty much sustainable... so yeah. It would be the best sniper, for the most part)
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:50:00 -
[46]
Shield tanking laser boats are awesome. You naysayers shut your traps. If anything, these ships make the rest of the faction ship lineup look quaint.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:50:00 -
[47]
you guys are dumb and the new sansha ships are awesome
do you have any idea how much these will *****face in a small gang?
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IKEELYOU
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Goumindong
Shield tanking laser boats are awesome. You naysayers shut your traps. If anything, these ships make the rest of the faction ship lineup look quaint.
Did you hear that? Everyone who disagrees with Gounmidong shut up! Because he said so.
Oh you like to solo in your sansha ships and it'll be harder now? Shut up.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:12:00 -
[49]
Jesus f'kin christ, 10 effective high slots, 7 mids and 5 lows on the Nightmare and you have the audacity to complain? Gtfo...
So when's the Navy Megathron getting an 8th turret?... 
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:16:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Jesus f'kin christ, 10 effective high slots, 7 mids and 5 lows on the Nightmare and you have the audacity to complain? Gtfo...
So when's the Navy Megathron getting an 8th turret?...
Navy Thron shill has 8 lows and 125 cubes of drone bay afaik, so its not exactly dog meat
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:19:00 -
[51]
For god sake what are you complainign about? That ships are AWESOME now. Simple staggering.
I only wish it was a Matari Caldari ship exaclty as that but with Projectiles.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:22:00 -
[52]
That was meant in jest ( ), seriously though, that Nightmare is going to be awesome, armour tank it, shield tank it, EW it up the wazoo, whatever the heck you like - all while having up to 10 effective turrets and two utility slots...
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:24:00 -
[53]
Originally by: IKEELYOU
Originally by: Goumindong
Shield tanking laser boats are awesome. You naysayers shut your traps. If anything, these ships make the rest of the faction ship lineup look quaint.
Did you hear that? Everyone who disagrees with Gounmidong shut up! Because he said so.
Oh you like to solo in your sansha ships and it'll be harder now? Shut up.
1. Yes, because i said so
2. Oh holy lord is going to be so much easier to solo in these ships now, the Nightmare does more dps with a full armor tank AND ewar? Or it can fit a nasty shield tank with full tackle and do 1126 dps?
The Sansha cruiser is going to be a solo dream,
3x guns, 3x neut/nos
mwd, scram, injector, damp, damp, damp
spd,spd,spd[or damage]
And the Sansha frigate does nearly as much dps as a retribution[one of the gankiest frigates in the game, if not the gankiest, due to its range], while having 4 med slots, I.E. an mwd, web, scram, and injector[to keep the mwd, web, and scram going]. That is a ship that can kite larger ships and do dps and tackle, and still have a web to kill frigates.
How in the world can you complain! These ships are freaking great!
Oh, you like to solo in your sansha ships and now, instead of hard to fit, split weapon pieces of crap, they are single weaponed solopwnmobiles with extra utility high slots and lots of dps, utility, and variation? Oh no, what will we ever do with these ships.
Look, if its really that bad, ill buy your sansha ships before the price crashes, send me an evemail.
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IKEELYOU
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:30:00 -
[54]
Lol. For future reference I know that a three line post can lead goum into a long tirade.
I'm not complaining about the ships, I think these changes are great. Your attitude on the other hand, is not.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:44:00 -
[55]
Originally by: IKEELYOU
Lol. For future reference I know that a three line post can lead goum into a long tirade.
I'm not complaining about the ships, I think these changes are great. Your attitude on the other hand, is not.
Meh, he's right, I guess 'ad hominem' means nothing to you then...
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Astrocarm
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.06 20:50:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Astrocarm on 06/10/2007 20:50:45
Im little disapointed with these changes to be honest.
I like the idea they actually want to look at revamping them, but to change armour tankers to shields is some what odd to say the least.
The reduction in turrets but increase in damage smells very much like these faction ships are been used to test the ideas for the Cyno cloaking all singing all dancing BS that are coming out.
Regardless of how much damage you give these ships it won't make much odds when your dampened to death. At least with their old set ups they could by pass that and still deal out some DPS with FOF.
Seen as Sansha are missile and laser users would it not be more common sense to make their changes relating to missiles like Khanid MK2.
Someone seriously needs to go back to the drawing board and work this out.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.06 21:02:00 -
[57]
While some of you may not agree with the direction the ships have taken, there is no way in hell you can possibly argue they are worse than before. You know, the 500 cpu piece of **** Nightmare that you can't even put Tech 2 cruise launchers on because there's not enough CPU?
The ONLY ship you have a valid argument on is the Phantasm, as that actually lost a fitting slot. (6 low 4 mid down to 3 low 6 mid)
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.06 21:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Xequecal
While some of you may not agree with the direction the ships have taken, there is no way in hell you can possibly argue they are worse than before. You know, the 500 cpu piece of **** Nightmare that you can't even put Tech 2 cruise launchers on because there's not enough CPU?
The ONLY ship you have a valid argument on is the Phantasm, as that actually lost a fitting slot. (6 low 4 mid down to 3 low 6 mid)
The Phantasm now does 584/470 dps with a full passive tank or an active tank with utility high slots, or ewar and full tackle.
I dont care if it lost a low slot, its got 6 effective turrets with a damage bonus!
Even using 2 lows for DPS, it does more laser DPS than a Zealot and it has drones, and it has tons of med slots, and is easy to fit. Its an absolute beast.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.06 22:02:00 -
[59]
Oh and you naysayers, nothing stops you from still armortanking it. It is not like it gets a shieldtanking bonus...
And since the less creative amarr love totally overtanked ships oh so much, I am sure you can do a quite okay triple-LAR permatank or somesuch with 7 CR2 in the mids...
There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Royaldo
Gallente
KVA Noble Inc.
Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.10.07 02:25:00 -
[60]
wow im impressed
why **** on something that works atm?
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