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Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.06 11:00:00 - [1] To date there have been relatively few withdrawals from Fury Bank (total deposits are around 28 billion, total withdrawals 3 billion). The two most common questions I get asked by customers are: 1. Will you launch an account paying more interest? 2. Is it possible to leave my interest in the bank so that it compounds? The answer to both is now a resounding yes - but with a string attached. At present 80% of deposited funds are used to generate profit and 20% are kept as a cash reserve to cover withdrawals (the cash reserve for the current week is set at 5 billion). The easiest way for me to increase the interest rate is to not keep that 20% set aside for withdrawals - and therein lies the caveat attached to the Higher Interest Account. The Higher Interest Account (HIA) will pay 0.25% interest per day BUT any withdrawals will require 1 week's notice (to be sent by mail to this character). When requesting a withdrawal from the HIA you should state whether you want the money as soon as possible or in exactly a week. If you ask for it as soon as possible then, especially if the amount is small, I'll pay it as soon as I can do so without incurring any costs or crippling the reserve held for depositors in immediate access accounts. No shares will be issued for the HIA - as interest is retained and compounded. There are no current plans for a website where you can check your balance - but the calculation is very simple. You can also check your balance with me in channel "Fury Bank" whenever I'm online. The interest rate works out at 1.7632% per week, 7.913% per 30.5 day month. Deposits are made by sending ISK to this character and also sending a mail stating that you want the higher interest account. The minimum transaction size (deposits AND withdrawals) for this account is 250 million. Maximum balance allowed for any single customer without prior agreement is 6 billion. Interest is nominally accrued at midnight each night - with the first 0.25% being applied on the second midnight following your deposit (deposit any time on Jan 1st and first interest comes 1 minute after 23:59 on Jan 2nd). The last 0.25% interest is applied on the midnight immediate preceding your withdrawal. The existing option remains open - deposit ISK, get shares, get dividended 1.4% per week and have immediate access. The minimum and maximum balances for this account remain at 100 million and 3 billion respectively. Existing depositors who want to swap their deposits over to the new account can do so. Be aware that transferring mid week makes no financial sense. All requests to transfer to the new account which are received before downtime on Monday will be treated as though the transfer happened at midnight on Thursday - so you'll have received a full 1.76% at midnight on the coming Thursday. That transfer arrangement is a one-off offer to existing depositors for this week only. The means of transfer is: 1. You mail me stating you want to transfer your funds to the HIA. 2. If I'm online you can transfer your shares directly to me - otherwise you wait until instructed to send the shares back before doing so. There's no share-transfer tracking in Eve so do NOT send the shares until you're asked to do so. 3. You start earning interest at the higher rate. Don't panic if I don't request the shares back immediately - provided I get them back before the next dividend on the old-style account there's no problem. I may instruct you to send the shares to a different character - just so I can clearly identify which shares came from whom. Note that I'm off to bed as soon as I've posted this - so there won't be any swift processing of transfer requests.
Kaptein Trefot Calista Industries Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:07:00 - [2] Mail sent.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:07:00 - [3] Fantastic interest rate per month, very impressive. It's nice to see some different kind of options for people. I should point out to people, the interest rate here is as good or better than a good number of the shares out there right now. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Hexxx Fantastic interest rate per month, very impressive. It's nice to see some different kind of options for people. I should point out to people, the interest rate here is as good or better than a good number of the shares out there right now. what he said.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:42:00 - [5] Very interesting. Might be worth it to throw some money in. Especially since E-Bank will only allow pitifully small amounts of money. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Shadarle Very interesting. Might be worth it to throw some money in. Especially since E-Bank will only allow pitifully small amounts of money. EXTREMELY pitifully small amounts. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Shadarle Very interesting. Might be worth it to throw some money in. Especially since E-Bank will only allow pitifully small amounts of money. EXTREMELY pitifully small amounts. Indeed. It would be like a real life banking limiting you to a 100 dollar investment. Not even worth the time to invest imo. 3 and 6 billion is still not exactly a large amount... but at least it's decent, especially considering the returns. I just hope FastLearner can make 8% or greater profits as he keeps getting more money. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.06 23:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Shadarle Very interesting. Might be worth it to throw some money in. Especially since E-Bank will only allow pitifully small amounts of money. EXTREMELY pitifully small amounts. Indeed. It would be like a real life banking limiting you to a 100 dollar investment. Not even worth the time to invest imo. 3 and 6 billion is still not exactly a large amount... but at least it's decent, especially considering the returns. I just hope FastLearner can make 8% or greater profits as he keeps getting more money. I hope the same :) I monitor my real profitability weekly - and it's still staying pretty solid at the moment. Fury Holdings returns going up doesn't, of itself, mean that my overall % profitability is rising - as Fury Holdings percentage profits are measured against Fury Holdings NAV and so don't take into account the extra capital used (from Fury Bank). Here's this week's overall earnings: Fury Holdings - 2.362 billion profit on 22.052 billion NAV. Fury Bank - 23.882 billion on deposit. of which 19.382 billion was actually used (the other 4.5 was locked as ISK to cover withdrawals). Interest paid on that was 334.346 million. So total earnings were 2.362 billion + 334.346 million Total capital deployed was 19.382 billion + 22.052 billion So earnings of 2.7 billion on 41.9 billion capital deployed (6.44%) for the week Basically, in no real danger of falling to anywhere near the 1.76% per week on offer for a fair while. Obviously that percentage is likely to drop as investment increases - for example any loans issued will return substantially less than 6.44%.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:19:00 - [9] Even as banks I think FuryBank and EBANK are very different entities. Furybank focuses on high interest rates which frankly the EBANK won't be anywhere near. Each have their pro's and con's but much props to Fury for such an impressive jump in interest rates. I guess the only problem I see, is that you just raised the requirement on every IPO out there. So you offer a huge interest rate along with a buyback ability at any time which most new ventures won't be able to compete with. It's got it's good and bad points but I kinda see this as something that can damage new market players. On a more important note. What do you propose in terms of customer confidence? By that I mean you are getting larger and larger and security measures or auditing procedures should be something considered. Why? Because EIB worked in precisely this fashion. It started with decent returns and as it grew it offered great returns to people. It then decided to release a whole pile of shares and relatively shortly thereafter it was a scam. Now I am not calling you a scam in any way. I am just saying for customer confidence this should be considered Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.07 02:56:00 - [10] I'm curious Ricdic, what are the advantages of E-Bank over this? The website? Or is it mainly the less risk? Just wondering because a 250 mill limit really rules it out as a place to put money for me. Even 1 billion would be enough that I'd have considered it but 250 is just too little. I guess for little guys it's good tho for a way to earn some interest with less risk. I do worry a bit about the security in Fury Bank. But I see nothing wrong with requiring new IPO's to pay at least 8% to compete with Fury Bank. I mean if you can't make 8% on a couple of billion (new player IPO's) then you really shouldn't be running a public company. Honestly if you can't make at least 8% on any amount of money you shouldn't run a company. looks in ISSO's direction Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Shadarle I'm curious Ricdic, what are the advantages of E-Bank over this? The website? Or is it mainly the less risk? Just wondering because a 250 mill limit really rules it out as a place to put money for me. Even 1 billion would be enough that I'd have considered it but 250 is just too little. I guess for little guys it's good tho for a way to earn some interest with less risk. I do worry a bit about the security in Fury Bank. But I see nothing wrong with requiring new IPO's to pay at least 8% to compete with Fury Bank. I mean if you can't make 8% on a couple of billion (new player IPO's) then you really shouldn't be running a public company. Honestly if you can't make at least 8% on any amount of money you shouldn't run a company. looks in ISSO's direction Soo...all the new IPO's should give up? Close up shop? I understand your point here, but different companies provide different returns on different terms. I think that's a pretty key thing here when we start on about who should and shouldn't be running a company. Your standards are high, which I applaud you for, but you've been getting pretty harsh lately in your judgements on other entities (not talking about EBANK here, the only thing I can say in that regard is read the T&C on the phases of growth and we'll revisit the subject later) but just in general...it can be hard to manage certain sums of money or the markets may be unkind to an money manager. Keep in mind of course, investments are a form of passive income; as such....they can not and will not exceed or begin to exceed your personal trading performance. Active income generally does beat passive income. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:31:00 - [12] I had a whole lot of info here but didn't want to disrupt fury's thread so I am putting it all into the EBANK testing thread. Shadarle feel free to check that out for answers to your questions. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Ricdic Even as banks I think FuryBank and EBANK are very different entities. Furybank focuses on high interest rates which frankly the EBANK won't be anywhere near. Each have their pro's and con's but much props to Fury for such an impressive jump in interest rates. I guess the only problem I see, is that you just raised the requirement on every IPO out there. So you offer a huge interest rate along with a buyback ability at any time which most new ventures won't be able to compete with. It's got it's good and bad points but I kinda see this as something that can damage new market players. The rise in interest rates isn't anything like as impressive as it seems. Previously although I was paying 1.4% per week o ndeposits, only 80% of that deposit was being utilised with the rest lieing around idle in case of withdrawals. If I'd just utilised all of the capital and raised the interest rate proportionally then the weekly rate gos straight up to 1.75% anyway - without me having to make any higher a rate of profit to maintain the same margins. I don't think I HAVE raised the requirement on all new IPOS - largely (and ironically) because of your second issue: the lack of security in place. Some people just won't invest in Fury because it's not "secured" - so their cash is available for other IPOS. Bear in mind also, that there's NOT an immediate "buy-back" option - people DO have to wait a week. I also tend towards Shadarle's view - making ISK in Eve is so easy that anyone who can't make over 8% a month shouldn't be put in charge of anyone else's money anyway. One of the problems I see with the current Eve market is that it's dominated by companies who just aren't very good at making a profit. That most companies pay a dividend well below what even a casual trader can make HAS to be a major factor in the lack of participation. Why would some player who knows noone here buy shares that give a payout less than they can make themselves AND have the associated risks of being scammed? While a lot of voices here argue for more new IPOs and for better reporting/security/auditing standards, I see very few arguing for better quality companies who offer better returns. Here's an example which maybe illustrates what's wrong with the current status-quo. Hopefully La Vista won't be too offended. La Vista starts up a cap-ship production company - despite being advised by various people that the money's just not there. Now he realises it's not profitable - and posts asking should he cash-out of cap-ship production and make ISK some other way or keep going. Noone, last time I checked the thread, had pointed out to me what seems blindingly obvious. If he raised ISK for a plan - and it's not working - then amongst any options he considers, cashing out assets and returning investment to investors should be right at the top of the list. Investors bought into a cap-ship production company. He believed that was a good business - and was wrong - yet he apparently believes he still has the right to keep that ISK to do some other (unspecified) project despite just having been proven wrong once. What concerns me most isn't his actions - but that none of the prople proposing better security, higher standards etc think there's anything amiss about that course of action. Addressing security issue in a 2nd post - due to message length issues.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Fury Banker Noone, last time I checked the thread, had pointed out to me what seems blindingly obvious. If he raised ISK for a plan - and it's not working - then amongst any options he considers, cashing out assets and returning investment to investors should be right at the top of the list. Investors bought into a cap-ship production company. He believed that was a good business - and was wrong - yet he apparently believes he still has the right to keep that ISK to do some other (unspecified) project despite just having been proven wrong once. What concerns me most isn't his actions - but that none of the prople proposing better security, higher standards etc think there's anything amiss about that course of action. I'm glad you brought that up because I had been thinking the same thing when I read his new thread. I decided against posting though as I am not a shareholder. They can do what they want with their money. But it seems to me if he is going to do something else he should close out his current corp, square everything off, then issue a new IPO and give current investors first dibs. But hey, that's just me. But if all of the investors want him to just keep going with their money than that's their choice I suppose... tho I do think he owes anyone who wants out a buy-back option. But again, it's up to investors what they want. Originally by: Ricdic I had a whole lot of info here but didn't want to disrupt fury's thread so I am putting it all into the EBANK testing thread. Shadarle feel free to check that out for answers to your questions. Thanks, I was actually thinking about not wanting to get involved in it in this thread anyhow. Glad you did what you did. I'll head there to read. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.07 03:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Ricdic On a more important note. What do you propose in terms of customer confidence? By that I mean you are getting larger and larger and security measures or auditing procedures should be something considered. Why? Because EIB worked in precisely this fashion. It started with decent returns and as it grew it offered great returns to people. It then decided to release a whole pile of shares and relatively shortly thereafter it was a scam. Now I am not calling you a scam in any way. I am just saying for customer confidence this should be considered I apologise in advance if my answer here seems somewhat flippant. As far as what security measures I plan to introduce, the answer (right now at least) is absolutely none. I don't see any way I could offer any meaningful security without either hurting my own ability to operate and/or just transfer the risk of scamming to someone else. And as I KNOW I'm not going to scam I KNOW that securing assets with a third-party can only increase the risk of my investors being scammed. Now I wasn't around when the EIB scam happened. I've read some threads about it - but on one issue I geneuinely don't the answer. Were EIB EVER generating levels of profit on invested capital such as to justify whatever interest rates it is that they were offering? To me that's an absolutely key requirement on a bank-type venture. And in that respect I believe my depositors have every reason to have confidence in me. Fury Holdings profits are well documented (weekly reports). Now obviously those reports COULD be totally faked and I'm just running some Pnzi scheme. But what it does rule out is the possibility that I'm honest and incompetent - i.e. that I've bitten off more than I chew and at some stage the whole business will collapse and I may just quit the game without refunding or choose to scam. So potential customers have their choices rather limited in how they can view me: Either I'm a total scam or I'm honest AND can deliver on what I'm promising whilst making a fat profit for myself. The majority of my investors are either people in my alliance or people I've known for years before I even played Eve. They all have good reason to believe that I'm competent AND not a scammer. My hope is that gradually that confidence spreads to a wider group of people - and so long as I keep raising ISK at somewhere between the minimum I need and the maximum I can comfortably handle I have absolutely no incentive to jump through any hoops to convince anyone else. I can either spend my time trying to convince people whose confidence I don't need - or making ISK for myself and those who already have confidence in me. I choose the latter.
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.07 04:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Fury Banker on 07/10/2007 04:09:31 Edited by: Fury Banker on 07/10/2007 04:08:32 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Fury Banker Noone, last time I checked the thread, had pointed out to me what seems blindingly obvious. If he raised ISK for a plan - and it's not working - then amongst any options he considers, cashing out assets and returning investment to investors should be right at the top of the list. Investors bought into a cap-ship production company. He believed that was a good business - and was wrong - yet he apparently believes he still has the right to keep that ISK to do some other (unspecified) project despite just having been proven wrong once. What concerns me most isn't his actions - but that none of the prople proposing better security, higher standards etc think there's anything amiss about that course of action. I'm glad you brought that up because I had been thinking the same thing when I read his new thread. I decided against posting though as I am not a shareholder. They can do what they want with their money. But it seems to me if he is going to do something else he should close out his current corp, square everything off, then issue a new IPO and give current investors first dibs. But hey, that's just me. But if all of the investors want him to just keep going with their money than that's their choice I suppose... tho I do think he owes anyone who wants out a buy-back option. But again, it's up to investors what they want. I should make clear what my objection primarily is. It's not that La Vista's doing what he's doing - there's plenty of precedent for Eve companies failing to deliver but not even giving serious consideration to refunding investors and starting a new IPO if they still think they're fit to manage funds. What my objection is to, is that not a single person who's vocal about standards sees anythign wrong with it as a practice. It's as though it's alright to call people to account for lack of reports, lack of third-party security, lack of auditing or absolutely thing else EXCEPT for failing to deliver good profits. All the time we act as though delivering low profits is no big deal we can't complain that this sector of EVE is under-utilised. Most people not active in this forum who want to invest are primarily interested in the profit they can make - so why is the profit our companies deliver apparently so unimportant and low in priority in our discussions here? Ricdic's post could almost be interpreted as that by offering a decent(ish) rate I'm somehow harming the market - and that's incredibly amusing to me. Allowing (and even encouraging) companies which deliver sub-standard returns to prosper (or, more accurately, subsist) does far more harm.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.07 04:37:00 - [17] Good points Fury. I see how it can be interpreted in that fashion. Regarding the security and auditing of your operation that is perfectly acceptable. I just wanted clarity on if it was planned for the future which was provided. You got me on the interest thing though. If a bank is offering an 8% interest rate/month, it means new operations either need to doctor their estimates to make them look better, or not start new operations. That's mainly what I was getting at. Anyway, I do see what you are saying and agree with you regarding standards. The option to close shop is one that probably should have been added by LV but I was speaking to him on MSN at the time and also didn't think to mention it Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.07 04:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Ricdic You got me on the interest thing though. If a bank is offering an 8% interest rate/month, it means new operations either need to doctor their estimates to make them look better, or not start new operations. That's mainly what I was getting at. You only list two options there (for new operations) - there's a third one: Start a new operation that actually CAN deliver over 8% profits per month while making decent profits for the individual(s) running it.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.07 05:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Fury Banker Originally by: Ricdic You got me on the interest thing though. If a bank is offering an 8% interest rate/month, it means new operations either need to doctor their estimates to make them look better, or not start new operations. That's mainly what I was getting at. You only list two options there (for new operations) - there's a third one: Start a new operation that actually CAN deliver over 8% profits per month while making decent profits for the individual(s) running it. That's what I mean though, you have raised the bar considerably. Meaning anyone wanting to get in the public eye and not able to meet those requirements will be automatically exempt. Dunno, its a good and bad thing. You may have inadvertently removed XX new ventures from starting up, as they cannot compete on your level. If you had an upper cap this would be ok, but you don't . It will be interesting to see how things go from this point. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Fury Banker Fury Bank Corp	Posted - 2007.10.07 07:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Fury Banker Originally by: Ricdic You got me on the interest thing though. If a bank is offering an 8% interest rate/month, it means new operations either need to doctor their estimates to make them look better, or not start new operations. That's mainly what I was getting at. You only list two options there (for new operations) - there's a third one: Start a new operation that actually CAN deliver over 8% profits per month while making decent profits for the individual(s) running it. That's what I mean though, you have raised the bar considerably. Meaning anyone wanting to get in the public eye and not able to meet those requirements will be automatically exempt. Dunno, its a good and bad thing. You may have inadvertently removed XX new ventures from starting up, as they cannot compete on your level. If you had an upper cap this would be ok, but you don't . It will be interesting to see how things go from this point. Ah, I DO have an upper cap - but it gets moved up every time I identify new opportunities. Right now I'm somewhere around 30-35 billion below the level at which I'd turn off accepting new deposits temporarily. I also have a reasonably low threshold of amount deposited per customer - which effectively prevents decent sized investors using me as their sole or main investment. Having a few very large investors isn't that ideal a situation when you're running a bank. So I'm not actually a threat to try to capture all available ISK if that's the main concern. I imagine at some stage I'll hit a hard limit - where I just don't feel like doing more work to make more ISK and will slap an absolute hard ceiling on deposited funds.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:05:00 - [21] Mail sent, money sent. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Damas Maliart Omega Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:22:00 - [22] ISK sent, eve-mail sent.
Slain Slaughter R.P. Frizzink inc	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:24:00 - [23] Opening deposit/mail sent.
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:04:00 - [24] opening deposit and evemail sent ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.09 20:32:00 - [25] I might well be missing it entirely, but is there somewhere we'd be able to see how much is in our respective accounts?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.09 21:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I might well be missing it entirely, but is there somewhere we'd be able to see how much is in our respective accounts? Per Fury's description: No shares will be issued for the HIA - as interest is retained and compounded. There are no current plans for a website where you can check your balance - but the calculation is very simple. You can also check your balance with me in channel "Fury Bank" whenever I'm online. The interest rate works out at 1.7632% per week, 7.913% per 30.5 day month. My best advice is to fire up Excel or Google Spreadsheets and do some calculations or just catch him in the chat channel when he's on. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.10 02:54:00 - [27] Edited by: FastLearner on 10/10/2007 02:54:39 Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I might well be missing it entirely, but is there somewhere we'd be able to see how much is in our respective accounts? Per Fury's description: No shares will be issued for the HIA - as interest is retained and compounded. There are no current plans for a website where you can check your balance - but the calculation is very simple. You can also check your balance with me in channel "Fury Bank" whenever I'm online. The interest rate works out at 1.7632% per week, 7.913% per 30.5 day month. My best advice is to fire up Excel or Google Spreadsheets and do some calculations or just catch him in the chat channel when he's on. Totally correct. I trak it all in Excel. Here's the formulae to calculate your current balance if you want to track it yourself: Column A (Date Deposited) - Enter the date you deposited on. Column B (Amount Deposited) - Enter the amount you deposited. Column C (Number of Days) - Assuming Row 2, formula is : "=MAX(0,TODAY()-A2-1)" Column D (Current Balance) - Assuming Row 2, formula is : "=B2*(1.0025^C2)" My own spareadsheet tracks a bit more (I have to deal with who the depositor was, and also with maintaining an audit trail to resolve any queries) but those formulae should let you check your own balance no problem. It's not a nice web interface like EBank's - but my selling point is interest rate not user-friendliness. If a substantial proportion of depositors indicate they'd give up, say, 33% of interest to get an online method of checking their balance then I'll get it sorted. Until then I'll keep focussing on making nice profits so I can keep paying generous interest rates. (For those of you who don't keep track, I'm an alt of Fury Banker - or vice-versa).
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.10 04:15:00 - [28] If I get some time next week I may come up with a quick way for you to plug some numbers in, along with the date you deposited with Fury, and get an estimate on interest earned with a break down day-by-day. Only if I get some spare time though. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.10 04:22:00 - [29] No biggie. Just wanted to know if I was missing something or if it were something I'd want to keep track of myself.
Prodigal Caldari New Genesis Project	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:34:00 - [30] Curious if you can still handle a large deposit or not? Cheers,

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