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Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:44:00 - [1] I would like to rat and mission run in 0.0 while reducing the chances of PvP. How easy will this be with the new T2 black ops battleships? Could I sneak past gatecamps? Could I use the jump drive to venture into 0.0? Would it be difficult for pirates to track me down?
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Snake Doctor on 06/10/2007 13:46:07 Not going to happen. Edit: Your best bet it to join up with an alliance that's deeply seated in 0.0 and go from there. Rifter Flight Manual!
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:48:00 - [3] Ok. How about low sec (0.1 to 0.4)?
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Shevar on 06/10/2007 13:51:04 Originally by: Jack Target I would like to rat and mission run in 0.0 while reducing the chances of PvP. How easy will this be with the new T2 black ops battleships? Could I sneak past gatecamps? Could I use the jump drive to venture into 0.0? Would it be difficult for pirates to track me down? A: No, you need a cyno ship to jump to which does need to get through the camp B: No, unless you got someone else creating cynofields for you (supposedly a new module will come out to make undetectable cyno fields, they will only fit on recons/cov ops frigs and only allows cov ops battleships to jump) C: As long as you are cloaked you won't be findable. But you can't do anything while cloaked. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Jack Target I would like to rat and mission run in 0.0 while reducing the chances of PvP. How easy will this be with the new T2 black ops battleships? Could I sneak past gatecamps? Could I use the jump drive to venture into 0.0? Would it be difficult for pirates to track me down? Hmm, I think 'not gonna happen' is a bit to strong. If you're part of a small corp with cov op recons that can cyno you in, then I don't see why not. The cov op recons shouldnt have too hard a time of it, provide you select a back water patch of .0. Definitely doable. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Jack Target Ok. How about low sec (0.1 to 0.4)? Now this is more likely, however if you're missioning in low sec you're going to have a different fit. I honestly can't imagine what you'd fit on a covops BS. Rifter Flight Manual!
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:57:00 - [7] ratting / missioning in 0.0 needs a corp or an alliance as fdar as you're not stupidly getting uncloaked, it's not that easy to scan for cloaked ships :\ also, wherever you jump, you need someone in that system to open a cynosural field ----------------------------------------------- Forum Warfare - Rank (4) - Level V Forum Warfare Specialist - Rank (9) - Level III Armor Flame Compensation - Rank (5) - Level IV
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:57:00 - [8] How about low sec? Because I presume there would be no gatecamps?
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.06 13:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Jack Target How about low sec? Because I presume there would be no gatecamps? Lowsec is worse that 0.0 in certain areas for camping. It really does depend on the area you're looking to operate out of. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Jack Target How about low sec? Because I presume there would be no gatecamps? Less gate camps, but then tbh you could probably just fly in there just fine. No need for a billion isk ship for that. Try it, grab a shuttle and plot a course through low sec - I think you'll be suprised how empty it is and that the gate camp every where horror stories are pretty much just that - stories. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Jack Target How about low sec? Because I presume there would be no gatecamps? Less gate camps, but then tbh you could probably just fly in there just fine. No need for a billion isk ship for that. Try it, grab a shuttle and plot a course through low sec - I think you'll be suprised how empty it is and that the gate camp every where horror stories are pretty much just that - stories. C. I find that the Caldari low-sec systems are consistently more dangerous than others. Rancer and Tama to be specific. Since these are high-traffic shortcuts, they get more attention from pirates. I've spent hours in Eurgrana and never even been locked, even by reds. (Move next door to AD, and it seems to be another story ) Rifter Flight Manual!
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Boomershoot ratting / missioning in 0.0 needs a corp or an alliance Oh please. That's crap right there. I've ran missions and ratted in 0.0 multiple times without any standings of any kind (except for a few negatives).. you just got to be careful..
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Target How easily could 'carebears' explore 0.0 using black ops battleships? I would like to rat and mission run in 0.0 while reducing the chances of PvP. How easy will this be with the new T2 black ops battleships? Could I sneak past gatecamps? Could I use the jump drive to venture into 0.0? Would it be difficult for pirates to track me down? About the same as it went for the IAC dread belt-ratting in Hemin last night. Logoffs
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Cailais on 06/10/2007 15:09:03 Originally by: Boomershoot ratting / missioning in 0.0 needs a corp or an alliance as fdar as you're not stupidly getting uncloaked, it's not that easy to scan for cloaked ships :\ also, wherever you jump, you need someone in that system to open a cynosural field Rubbish, there's loads of corpless players / small corps that mission run and rat in .0 without a problem. Far too many people believe the myth that all of .0 is heavily controled by vast roaming fleets of cap ships and that every gate in low sec has a camp of hundreds waiting to pop you. It's simply not true. C. - sig designer - eve mail
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:06:00 - [15] Explore low sec with a shuttle... --------------
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:25:00 - [16] If you can warp cloaked in one of the new T2 BS, then it'd be the perfect exploration machine as it can tank, sneak and proably hold its ground in pvp if correctly setup Khaldari In-game channel: khanidpublic
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Spoon Thumb If you can warp cloaked in one of the new T2 BS, then it'd be the perfect exploration machine as it can tank, sneak and proably hold its ground in pvp if correctly setup This is what I'm hoping for.
Big Muthatrucker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:05:00 - [18] I feel the coverert ops frigate is over-rated. Neat idea but it is near impossible to slip past a gate camp with a bubble. This ship should be able to do it. Has no real combat threat but if a black ops frigate cant slip past a gate camp whats the point in having it. Inappropriate content - Laqum
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:23:00 - [19] Hehe.. Someone is trying to scare you from venturing out in 0.0 I guess. I based out of a station in CA space and did a whole month of exploring before they got my Dominix with prototype cloak. I even bought probes in their 'home' station. Got camped, but made a clean run just after DT. You need a cov-ops + the Black Ops tho. And keep your operations to quiet places. If I should do a stunt like that again I'd still use a domi tho, not the black ops, as its cost if blown up will be in the league of a carrier going down. If lucky you can get the income to pay for a new domi from 1 site. But you'll need 10 or more to pay for a new black ops.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:37:00 - [20] i find the 'reducing chances of PvP' part amusing, u don't PvP in 0.0 u blob or gank. Dropping a carrier or even a MS on ue head cuz apparently 5 ships arn't enough to pop a lone npc'ing BS Granted, why take the chance if u do happen to have pilots in carriers/MS, i'd drop em too i must admit. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
franny Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:01:00 - [21] but I liked dropping my carrier on the neutrals I was cynoing in supplies anyway, jumped in and low and behold some neutral undocked in a bestower!! he got away once(I jumped in to him aligned and before I could get all my fighters on him), but he came back(NPC station)... 2nd time he didn't make out so well and his stab didn't help funny part, he whined in barely speak english cut and paste special, which upset me cause I was to close to the station to smartbomb him or he wouldn't have whined at all PKKP recruitment
Tzesaeia	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 11:43:48 Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 11:41:42 It's definatly possible. IF it is really a fact that there will be a BS with cov ops cloak and IF there will be a cloaked cynofield that allows only the black ops and recons to jump through, yes. But that is by now really uncertain. Besides with a Recon it is already possible to rat in 0.0 Systems. As it was said here befor you need to find places that are empty. You make several safespots and stay aligned. It is still uppermost important that you have no enemies in local and that you watch local carefully. As soon as someone comes in you warp out and cloak while warping. It is not actually a big difference to ratting in 0.0 whilst beeing in a 0.0 alliance since you have to do the same. Problem is to get out if a gang is send to hunt you down. With the help of invisible cyno fields and a recon this would become easier. So far you can simply take your recon, warp to safe spot accelerate and cloak. Nobody will be able to find you as soon as your aggression timer rans out you log. I don't know if it isn't even possible to log earlier but someone can for sure tell you. I myself made 100+ jumps yesterday in a cov op all through enemy space and nobody even was close to catching me until I made a big mistake in the end I warped to a planet and cloaked but didnt accelerate, you always need to get away from the warp in points. I'm too green for this game but i'm 100% sure you can safley rat in 0.0 Space with a recon any time you just have to be careful and awake as long as you don't make a mistake you have 100% chance to stay safe. So yeah with Black ops you could do the same maybe but they are heavier and slower...I wouldn't try to break gate camps with em or to solo operate without a cyno field to jump to. They don't get into warp fast enough they would be bumbed to decloak and afterwards with the help of a bubble kept from warping. But the Recon Cruiser is with goood skills tuff enough to shoot down the rats and agil enough to get through most situations. An easier way is to get into an NRDS Area. For example Providence. In this areas you still have to be careful but no enemy gang will hunt you down as long as you cooperate with the local authority they'll protect you from such. In 0.0 even if you're a part of BOB or Goon you have to be careful while ratting cause it's never safe. I strongly recommend you to practise in a cov op for such situations. Cause you will be surprised how easily you make a mistake. And the Balck Ops will for sure be very very expensive. And practise not only 10mintues but try 3-4 hs or the usual ammount of time you plan to rat. Cause most mistakes happen when you start to loose concentration find this point and avoid it in a Black Op or Recon they are way too expensive for such mistakes. If you got any questions left on how to get into 0.0 just convo me or send me an eve-mail. I'd be glad to help you. Good luck to you and keep your free thinking! Space is free for all and this will stay so! shoot da:
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:04:00 - [23] hmmm black ops.. hmmm... erm.. sorry, got distracted there for a sec But isn't that what ccp wants? have people goto low/0.0 sec more? 1 way to accomplish this is by making it easier to circumvent the 0.0 chokepoints and jump into deeper 0.0 space. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Big Muthatrucker Neat idea but it is near impossible to slip past a gate camp with a bubble. Only if you suck. It's easy as hell (though time consuming) to slip past most bubbled camps even in a Stealth Bomber. It takes an army of interceptors and other fast ships to have a chance to decloak a cloaking ship. Though a fast intercceptor with a cloak is the absolute best way out there to move around in 0.0.
BrutusIW Eternal Pheonix Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:20:00 - [25] can these new black ops battleships lock onto a cyno generators signal and use an alliances cyno network to move around?
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Tzesaeia Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 11:43:48 Edited by: Tzesaeia on 07/10/2007 11:41:42 It's definatly possible. IF it is really a fact that there will be a BS with cov ops cloak and IF there will be a cloaked cynofield that allows only the black ops and recons to jump through, yes. But that is by now really uncertain. Besides with a Recon it is already possible to rat in 0.0 Systems. As it was said here befor you need to find places that are empty. You make several safespots and stay aligned. It is still uppermost important that you have no enemies in local and that you watch local carefully. As soon as someone comes in you warp out and cloak while warping. It is not actually a big difference to ratting in 0.0 whilst beeing in a 0.0 alliance since you have to do the same. Problem is to get out if a gang is send to hunt you down. With the help of invisible cyno fields and a recon this would become easier. So far you can simply take your recon, warp to safe spot accelerate and cloak. Nobody will be able to find you as soon as your aggression timer rans out you log. I don't know if it isn't even possible to log earlier but someone can for sure tell you. I myself made 100+ jumps yesterday in a cov op all through enemy space and nobody even was close to catching me until I made a big mistake in the end I warped to a planet and cloaked but didnt accelerate, you always need to get away from the warp in points. I'm too green for this game but i'm 100% sure you can safley rat in 0.0 Space with a recon any time you just have to be careful and awake as long as you don't make a mistake you have 100% chance to stay safe. So yeah with Black ops you could do the same maybe but they are heavier and slower...I wouldn't try to break gate camps with em or to solo operate without a cyno field to jump to. They don't get into warp fast enough they would be bumbed to decloak and afterwards with the help of a bubble kept from warping. But the Recon Cruiser is with goood skills tuff enough to shoot down the rats and agil enough to get through most situations. An easier way is to get into an NRDS Area. For example Providence. In this areas you still have to be careful but no enemy gang will hunt you down as long as you cooperate with the local authority they'll protect you from such. In 0.0 even if you're a part of BOB or Goon you have to be careful while ratting cause it's never safe. I strongly recommend you to practise in a cov op for such situations. Cause you will be surprised how easily you make a mistake. And the Balck Ops will for sure be very very expensive. And practise not only 10mintues but try 3-4 hs or the usual ammount of time you plan to rat. Cause most mistakes happen when you start to loose concentration find this point and avoid it in a Black Op or Recon they are way too expensive for such mistakes. If you got any questions left on how to get into 0.0 just convo me or send me an eve-mail. I'd be glad to help you. Good luck to you and keep your free thinking! Space is free for all and this will stay so! shoot da: Thank you very much for your advice!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Jack Target Ok. How about low sec (0.1 to 0.4)? All you need is a tech 1 frigate to be nearly uncatchable in low sec (except by a smartbombing ship on a gate, but they are rare in the extreme).
Constance Noring	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:47:00 - [28] A ship that allows you to cyno into someone's prime estate backyard and steal their nice rats? Carebears griefing lowsec alliances? What a kick in the nuts that would be for some people. I can already see the flood of posts demanding nerfs for these ships
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Jack Target Ok. How about low sec (0.1 to 0.4)? All you need is a tech 1 frigate to be nearly uncatchable in low sec (except by a smartbombing ship on a gate, but they are rare in the extreme). Good idea, but I doubt a T1 frigate would allow me to do very much. I don't suppose I could even go ratting in low sec?
Contralto Gallente Southern Tallen Labs	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:48:00 - [30] Edited by: Contralto on 07/10/2007 12:55:35 I am about as Carebear as they come, but a year ago I decided to take a vacation in 0.0. a more experienced friend scouted me through a corpse strewn mega campsite to a quiet dead end 0.0 system 11 jumps in with a Quafe station and lvl 4 agent. I did the trip in a stabbed Thorax but apart from piles of corpses around the gate, no one even tried to lock me. just before dt ftw. Forget the system name its a choke point next to Villore. I carried a hold full of T2 mods and Drones and a 5 run Domi BPC. after my escort took his leave in his interceptor I did a few hours ratting till I had enough mins to build a Domi. had to head to the next system to build it. I spent a month in that system doing a few missions and chaining rats, I docked at the first sign of any one entering the system, but most were industrial types hauling stuff.I clone jumped back to empire when I was bored or needed to do something. Getting braver I then headed out to Outer ring, when RISE was having trouble with Youwhat, I headed straight for a true 0.0 system to get some uber loot, spent a few days there docking in the main hub. chatting to the poor souls who were under CEO orders not to venture out solo and provide targets for the enemy, or couldnt undock because they didnt have enough to buy a new ship and the boss was not logged on to give a new one. yes solo in 0.0 is entirely possible if you watch every movement and cloak till the danger is past. People dont stay long in deserted systems. I am constantly reminded of my adventures by the assets tab which still contains enough loot and minerals to build at least 2 Domis, I sold the Domi I was using and left a clone which is still there. later I did the same in the Ushrakahn held systems, my clone and a frigate are still in their old outpost which I notice has a new name now.

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