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Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:08:00 - [1] This is, how to make a ship usefull only to missions, ratting and surviving a long time away from stations (which is heavily focused on combat) while not making it overpowered in pvp? Making warp scramblers in marauders useless? I've noticed that marauders have less turrets, without guns, there is no way to kill npcs, i hope that marauders doesnt have crappy dps... Any thoughts? -----------------------------
JoeSomebody No Trademark	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:10:00 - [2] rumor is that they getting insane damage bonuses to compensate for that
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:17:00 - [3] CCp never said they will be only usefull for missions. That woudl be plain stupid. They just said they woudl be good for missions. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Xilimyth Derlin OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:19:00 - [4] All CCP said was don't expect them to be 'Heavy Assault Battleships'. 4 turrets with a nice damage / tracking bonus to make them comparable to a normal BS isn't breaking.
Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:14:00 - [5] yes but... how will they manage to stay away from home more time than the other ships? -----------------------------
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Caldorous yes but... how will they manage to stay away from home more time than the other ships? 1. Less turrets (= less ammo use) with bigger damage 2. Bigger cargohold 1. you use 1/2 of ammo (so can stay 2x longer) 2. you can carry 2x more ammo (so again 2x longer) = 4x longer total ;p
Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Caldorous yes but... how will they manage to stay away from home more time than the other ships? 1. Less turrets (= less ammo use) with bigger damage 2. Bigger cargohold 1. you use 1/2 of ammo (so can stay 2x longer) 2. you can carry 2x more ammo (so again 2x longer) = 4x longer total ;p Yes, and the amarr ships does not use ammo. They are t2 ships, there should be more "cooler" features implemented -----------------------------
Gecko O'Bac Aquilae Stellaris YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Caldorous Yes, and the amarr ships does not use ammo. They are t2 ships, there should be more "cooler" features implemented Dammit, I thought they were removing amarr in rev 3... I think I read somewhere they were an april's fool jest gone bad
Black Lily	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:59:00 - [9] As the Amarr marauder is Apocalypse hull and we know that it is going to be black aka Khanid ship. Why does it have 4 turrets instead of 4 torpedoes which would also make it better at carebearing.
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Black Lily As the Amarr marauder is Apocalypse hull and we know that it is going to be black aka Khanid ship. Why does it have 4 turrets instead of 4 torpedoes which would also make it better at carebearing. It isn't "Khanid Black" and it isn't of Khanid design (Too bright to be Khanid I suppose). -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Skiving Larry on 08/10/2007 01:09:04 Verb1.maraud - raid and rove in search of booty; "marauding rebels overran the countryside" They can't call a ship a marauder and not make it good for marauding. PS. But then again I just 'invented' a stealth bomber
Zeph Solaris Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:33:00 - [12] My bet is they're getting powergrid/cpu reduction bonuses for capital sized weaponry.
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Zeph Solaris My bet is they're getting powergrid/cpu reduction bonuses for capital sized weaponry. Thats not ******** at all. -TF
Zeph Solaris Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:01:00 - [14] It makes sense. The skills are pretty much what it takes to fly a capital and has a very similar slot layout. It's also a perfect anti-blobbing tool. The capital guns wouldn't have the tracking to hurt moving battleships, so it's not a pwnmobile, just an anti-capital/POS ship. It'd have the mobility of a normal battleship so it could hop through gates and not be bothered much by cyno-jammers. In turn, it'd still be easily vulnerable to a normal fleet and POS guns. A roaming gang of these would be something to fear for logistic capitals hopping back and forth between empire and 0.0. From what I've heard, a lot of the level 5 missions dont let capitals through the gates, so this would be a great way to do them.
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Zeph Solaris It makes sense. The skills are pretty much what it takes to fly a capital and has a very similar slot layout. It's also a perfect anti-blobbing tool. The capital guns wouldn't have the tracking to hurt moving battleships, so it's not a pwnmobile, just an anti-capital/POS ship. It'd have the mobility of a normal battleship so it could hop through gates and not be bothered much by cyno-jammers. In turn, it'd still be easily vulnerable to a normal fleet and POS guns. A roaming gang of these would be something to fear for logistic capitals hopping back and forth between empire and 0.0. From what I've heard, a lot of the level 5 missions dont let capitals through the gates, so this would be a great way to do them. There is so way that they would fit Capital ship mods. other than the launchers they would not work on the models so it is not going to happen. If they wanted them to do capital ship damage they would probaly get a role bonus to get the dps up to that level and then have them fit the capital mod Seige modual to make them do high dps and lowered tracking. The ships would look stupid with capital guns on them and that would never happen. I doubt that this is what they are going to do but its a better presentation of your idea than oversized guns.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:54:00 - [16] You guys need to get real lol... those ships will NOT do capital size damage... But hey stick a 2 billion isk price tag then 'maybe'... dps of a capital ship with the tank of a BS, i'm going to love those if they come out like that. Gonna be fun to pop them :) ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Relnala	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:11:00 - [17] Uhh, capital turrets before siege modules do crap damage. So if it fit capital turrets it would just plain suck, if it got a siege mod... well its still pretty much suck.
Zeph Solaris Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:20:00 - [18] Just saw the change to the Nightmare. Cutting the number of guns in half and giving everything a 100% boost to damage would lower the amount of things the server has to deal with in a fight. It'd be like how mission rats have all their damage of a volley done in one shot. Still, with the near-capital level skills, I'd like to think they'd have bonuses to fit the XL guns and siege module. I mean, come on, it'd pretty much only be useful in sieges and be just as vulnerable as a normal battleship. It's the trade off you'd get from the extra mobility.
murder one Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Zeph Solaris It makes sense. The skills are pretty much what it takes to fly a capital and has a very similar slot layout. It's also a perfect anti-blobbing tool. The capital guns wouldn't have the tracking to hurt moving battleships, so it's not a pwnmobile, just an anti-capital/POS ship. It'd have the mobility of a normal battleship so it could hop through gates and not be bothered much by cyno-jammers. In turn, it'd still be easily vulnerable to a normal fleet and POS guns. A roaming gang of these would be something to fear for logistic capitals hopping back and forth between empire and 0.0. From what I've heard, a lot of the level 5 missions dont let capitals through the gates, so this would be a great way to do them. No, it doesn't make sense. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:43:00 - [20] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 08/10/2007 05:44:38 4 turrets, interesting.. I see 3 possible ways - 1. They have sub par dps making them useless for damage dealing, useful only for their dedicated role. 2. They have bonuses for the turrets that make 4 guns as good as t1 BS's 7. This makes them perfect for mission running because why would you bring 2 bil ship into fleet battle.. Besides they will chew up much less ammo and cap and have slightly better resists than t1 - ideal for missions. 3. Well this one is from fantasy world but what the heck (maybe it's been suggested already though). One t2 BS is using cyno jumping .... Dreads use cyno AND siege mode .. See the pattern here? Maybe they'll make a light weight BS sized siege engine? That surely would make those 4 turrets as good or better than t1's 7 :) Along with some other things perhaps... Anyway this would make them useful for missions (but perhaps too expensive to be viable), plus make them suitable for duties like killing high sec POS perhaps...
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:08:00 - [21] They have a huge (and I do mean HUGE) weakness, which everyone seems to have overlooked. I don't think it's a mistake either, as it's the same across all four Marauders, we shall see once you can test these puppies... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:23:00 - [22] You mean the scan res and sensor strength being low? I find it interesting capacitor capacity no longer appears on info at all... just recharge time.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:30:00 - [23] Yes, easier to jam than a T1 cruiser. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:39:00 - [24] haha yeah 25% larger sig and almost half the sensor strength, scanners rejoice. but if you mission run in low in any kind of BS you beg to be scanned down anyway.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 08/10/2007 07:52:36 comparing to t1 BS... 25% larger sig radius almost half the sensor strength the rest of stuff seems to be superior except for the grid but that's for the missing turrets. Both of these parameters affect, among other things, how easy it is to scan them down. so maybe that is done to prevent them from being mission pwn mobile ... Actually they are supposed to be mission pwnmobiles. Especially the low sensor strength is there to prevent them from being PvP pwnmobiles. I mean, with a proper scorp, you can permajam a Vagyr with just one racial jammer... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Abbadon Wrath Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:24:00 - [26] I'm betting on a siege type module that gives a huge dmg (and mabe tanking bonus), but only works in deadspace.
Abbadon Wrath Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:29:00 - [27] Oh and all those people saying that Marauders will NOT only be missions ships, read this... Quote: Once they're released for full player testing and seeded on the market, more useful information will come forth in the forms of real practical combat tests, or in the case of the Marauders, how they fare in missions and complexes. Source

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Abbadon Wrath Oh and all those people saying that Marauders will NOT only be missions ships, read this... Quote: Once they're released for full player testing and seeded on the market, more useful information will come forth in the forms of real practical combat tests, or in the case of the Marauders, how they fare in missions and complexes. Source The Marauders aren't only mission ships. They're designed to be more flexible than the current ships in play in missions, whilst at the same time not becoming a new solo-pwn-mobile. This can be seen with the lower sensor strength on them. Of course the greatest test will come when they're released to the players and the results of their tinkering become apparent; the adaptability and problem solving demonstrated by the player base is immense, and I have no doubt that there will be niche roles that these ships fill, that we would never have considered. Yes, you can on the one hand say that they seem a little lackluster with respect to their stats, but that's only because the full role and description information hasn't been released along with the final ship stats. So please, remember to take speculation at face value, and not a final definition of what the ship will be like.

Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:08:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Abbadon Wrath Oh and all those people saying that Marauders will NOT only be missions ships, read this... Quote: Once they're released for full player testing and seeded on the market, more useful information will come forth in the forms of real practical combat tests, or in the case of the Marauders, how they fare in missions and complexes. Source The Marauders aren't only mission ships. They're designed to be more flexible than the current ships in play in missions, whilst at the same time not becoming a new solo-pwn-mobile. This can be seen with the lower sensor strength on them. Of course the greatest test will come when they're released to the players and the results of their tinkering become apparent; the adaptability and problem solving demonstrated by the player base is immense, and I have no doubt that there will be niche roles that these ships fill, that we would never have considered. Yes, you can on the one hand say that they seem a little lackluster with respect to their stats, but that's only because the full role and description information hasn't been released along with the final ship stats. So please, remember to take speculation at face value, and not a final definition of what the ship will be like. lol, dont forget our capability of creating problems also :P If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:16:00 - [30] Yea... remeber nanophoons... -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>

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