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Eofina Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:55:00 - [1] Master smaller ships first, don't fly what you can't lose, and don't expect Warp Core Stabs to always protect you. 2007.10.08 00:16 Victim: ****** Alliance: NONE Corp: Aliastra Destroyed: Hurricane System: Bantish Security: 0.3 Involved parties: Name: Eofina (laid the final blow) Security: -9.5 Alliance: Dark Nebula Galactic Empire Corp: DEATH'S LEGION Ship: Rifter Weapon: 150mm Light AutoCannon II Name: Blood Visionary / Blood Raiders Destroyed items: Phased Plasma M, Qty: 11 (Cargo) Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I 720mm Carbine Howitzer I 425mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I 650mm Medium Carbine Howitzer I Heat Dissipation Amplifier I EMP M, Qty: 2000 (Cargo) Energized Basic Reactive Plating Internal Force Field Array I Titanium Sabot M, Qty: 2000 (Cargo) Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Faint Phase Inversion ECM I (Cargo) 50mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo) Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) Charred Micro Circuit, Qty: 8 (Cargo) Miner I (Cargo) Murky Energy Transmitter I (Cargo) Cap Booster 50, Qty: 10 (Cargo) Multifrequency S (Cargo) Microwave S (Cargo) Explosion Dampening Field I (Cargo) 50mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I (Cargo) Medium Pulse Laser I (Cargo) Burned Logic Circuit, Qty: 4 (Cargo) Explosion Dampening Amplifier I (Cargo) 50mm Reinforced Steel Plates I (Cargo) Small EMP Smartbomb I (Cargo) Ultraviolet S (Cargo) Phased Plasma M, Qty: 10 Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 11 Phased Plasma M, Qty: 70 Phased Plasma M, Qty: 23 Phased Plasma M, Qty: 22 "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." ~ Dark Helmet
Hank Soral	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:06:00 - [2] Wow, awesome!
IKEELYOU	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:08:00 - [3] I was going to answer "who cares" until I looked at what ship you used. Lulz.
an internet Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:10:00 - [4] 720mm Carbine Howitzer I 425mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I 650mm Medium Carbine Howitzer I Wow.
Eofina Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:14:00 - [5] He asked me how much would it cost to stop shooting. I asked for 20 Mil, but he said he only had 7.2 Mil. So after I destroyed him I tried again for 5 Mil on his pod. His exact words were "get bent". Soon after he was in a clone vat far far away. "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." ~ Dark Helmet
Hozac	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:22:00 - [6] Yep, small ships are great way to learn. Also, webs ftw :)
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.10.08 01:34:00 - [7] Originally by: IKEELYOU I was going to answer "who cares" until I looked at what ship you used. Lulz. Rifters are like bulldogs. As long as you're halfway prepared they're just annoying little **ants. The moment you say "Whatever it's just a frigate" they'll ** you up though. ----- My in Eve Profile
Doppler Shift Red 42 Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Eofina [b]... Destroyed items: (cargo removed for clarity) ... Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I 720mm Carbine Howitzer I 425mm Medium Carbine Repeating Cannon I 650mm Medium Carbine Howitzer I Heat Dissipation Amplifier I ... Energized Basic Reactive Plating Internal Force Field Array I ... That fitting makes my eyes hurt. --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:07:00 - [9] hurricane to a rifter..........priceless
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:46:00 - [10] Yep. Sounds like an idiotic fitting. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
DarthMopp Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:28:00 - [11] A lesson to the older players: We fly what we want. If we loose em due to our noobness, well its our fault, lesson learned then (hopefully). You know what: this is just a f....ing game. Anyone who really cares about this virtual isk thing should consult a psycho-doc ! And to those who always say "Thiz fitting is making my eyez bleed" ..sounds like you arrived at EvE with already 20Million Skillpoints and you always knew what to fit dont you ? Or did even you "Gods of EvE" did some mistakes ? Unthinkable. So you killed an unexperienced nub ! With an extremely lousy fitting...while transporting his loot and salvage. Geez...guess he learned his lesson. Oh..and how glad you must be that there are still unexperienced noobs who make such mistakes....otherwise you wouldnt be able to rack up your killboard, eh ? "Alea iacta est"
Dotard	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:30:00 - [12] LOL? Nerf You! Buff Me!
Dotard	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:35:00 - [13] Actually the lesson is not about WCS or small ships, it's about fittings. Look at the Hurricanes fittings, make a list of what is wrong with it and don't do that. Heat Dissipation Amplifier I ?!? Nerf You! Buff Me!
Frodon O'Carebears	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:38:00 - [14] Noob shooting only, date of birth september 2007...
DarthMopp Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Frodon Noob shooting only, date of birth september 2007... Ok..thats what i call "Balls of Steel" !! "Alea iacta est"
Kranisos	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Kranisos on 08/10/2007 12:45:02 Originally by: DarthMopp Originally by: Frodon Noob shooting only, date of birth september 2007... Ok..thats what i call "Balls of Steel" !! As U say.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:59:00 - [17] Originally by: DarthMopp And to those who always say "Thiz fitting is making my eyez bleed" ..sounds like you arrived at EvE with already 20Million Skillpoints and you always knew what to fit dont you ? Or did even you "Gods of EvE" did some mistakes ? No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker. Ever. I mean cmon, look at its slots! Look at it's bonuses! While it works when ratting NPC frigates it's horrible inefficient. If he wanted to fit his ship that way he could have just bought a Cyclone that is CHEAPER and is actually designed to be fitted that way. This may be a shock, but there are many many resources to pilots to prevent this right here. You are making very noob mistakes all through your post. SP doesn't make or break you in EVE because of how much tactics matter and because you can only specialize so much on each ship, you won't be able to fly as many ships as a vet well, but in 2-3 months of specializing you should be almost as good in any sub BS t1 ship. I've taken down twin -10 sec status Wolf pilots with a week old Vexor pilot. Not bragging here, it happens all the time, most rookies don't seem to get this though. It's honestly the beauty of EVE compared to other MMOs. This pilot in the killmail makes the mistake of thinking the more ISK he spends the better the ship will be. For what he was doing a cruiser would have been fine, maybe even a frigate. There are many websites as well as the forums, if you can look past the flaming and trolling that you can learn how to properly fit ships. If that fails join a player corp that has a clue. I shudder to think how your real life goes if you never research anything but just buy the most expensive stuff you can. How does your automobile shopping go for instance? You just go to the store and tell the clerk, "Hey mate, give me the biggest, most expensive auto you've got! Drivers license? Screw that! Insurance? Nope! Do I want to fit seat belts? Nah, I'll use velcro to hold me in! Doors and windows aren't needed." -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Frodon O'Carebears	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Corwain No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker....... ..... Doors and windows aren't needed."[/quote Making error teach us what not to do again. I see U're video and juste after i try the same thing. The results was that i lost my ships faster than i bought and fit it. Why? Because i don't check my transversal and i was aligned direct to my target. Arbitrator goes boom But still a nice video i like to watch and to try.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Frodon Making error teach us what not to do again. I see U're video and juste after i try the same thing. The results was that i lost my ships faster than i bought and fit it. Why? Because i don't check my transversal and i was aligned direct to my target. Arbitrator goes boom But still a nice video i like to watch and to try. Hehe, yup. I'm not saying you don't learn by trial and error, I just believe that as much thought should go into your ship and setup before the fact as after it goes south. And transversal is the single most important thing to remember when flying an Arby! -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Frodon O'Carebears	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Frodon Making error teach us what not to do again. I see U're video and juste after i try the same thing. The results was that i lost my ships faster than i bought and fit it. Why? Because i don't check my transversal and i was aligned direct to my target. Arbitrator goes boom But still a nice video i like to watch and to try. Hehe, yup. I'm not saying you don't learn by trial and error, I just believe that as much thought should go into your ship and setup before the fact as after it goes south. And transversal is the single most important thing to remember when flying an Arby! Lollll, you're right, i'm still a noob in pvp action but i still learning.
DarthMopp Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.08 14:02:00 - [21] Quote: There are many websites as well as the forums, if you can look past the flaming and trolling that you can learn how to properly fit ships. If that fails join a player corp that has a clue. I shudder to think how your real life goes if you never research anything but just buy the most expensive stuff you can. How does your automobile shopping go for instance? You just go to the store and tell the clerk, "Hey mate, give me the biggest, most expensive auto you've got! Drivers license? Screw that! Insurance? Nope! Do I want to fit seat belts? Nah, I'll use velcro to hold me in! Doors and windows aren't needed." Driving-License ? For my car ? Do i look like a noob that i need a license for what has been given to me by god himself ? :-) Ok...perhaps i was somehow misunderstood...didnt meant to flame or troll. All i was saying is that this is just a game and everybody can play it the way he wants to. Want some examples for my faults i made in EvE ? Here we go: 1. Fitted a Laser to my Gallente Frig () without knowing that i needed a crystal for that. Hope you can imagine my face when i realised that my assumed Death-Star-Laser was nothing more then a cheap MagLite Imitate....while jumping into "Worlds Collide" 2. "haha...you will never warpscramble me again you darn gallente-mission-generic-ships-fuzzies - i now have 3 Warpsstabilizers..hahaaa...hngg? WFT...me cannot lock on anymore at normal range...." ...realized the locking range penalty only seconds before my ship died... (Enemys Abound LvL 4) As you can see "reading the manual" is never first on my list when testing new things :D Guess that has already cost me some isk yet... "Alea iacta est"
Frodon O'Carebears	Posted - 2007.10.08 14:36:00 - [22] Originally by: DarthMopp Quote: There are many websites as well as the forums, if you can look past the flaming and trolling that you can learn how to properly fit ships. If that fails join a player corp that has a clue. I shudder to think how your real life goes if you never research anything but just buy the most expensive stuff you can. How does your automobile shopping go for instance? You just go to the store and tell the clerk, "Hey mate, give me the biggest, most expensive auto you've got! Drivers license? Screw that! Insurance? Nope! Do I want to fit seat belts? Nah, I'll use velcro to hold me in! Doors and windows aren't needed." Driving-License ? For my car ? Do i look like a noob that i need a license for what has been given to me by god himself ? :-) Ok...perhaps i was somehow misunderstood...didnt meant to flame or troll. All i was saying is that this is just a game and everybody can play it the way he wants to. Want some examples for my faults i made in EvE ? Here we go: 1. Fitted a Laser to my Gallente Frig () without knowing that i needed a crystal for that. Hope you can imagine my face when i realised that my assumed Death-Star-Laser was nothing more then a cheap MagLite Imitate....while jumping into "Worlds Collide" 2. "haha...you will never warpscramble me again you darn gallente-mission-generic-ships-fuzzies - i now have 3 Warpsstabilizers..hahaaa...hngg? WFT...me cannot lock on anymore at normal range...." ...realized the locking range penalty only seconds before my ship died... (Enemys Abound LvL 4) As you can see "reading the manual" is never first on my list when testing new things :D Guess that has already cost me some isk yet... Those mistake should be frapsed. Last lost was this week when i saw a hobgobelin alone in a belt. Engaging my enyo right on him (why? i still don't know what for, perhaps show to myself my overpowered dps) , blow fast this enormous target, and popped by concord. Was in 0.5, just forget to check this little detail. FRAPS
DarthMopp Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.08 15:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Frodon Those mistake should be frapsed. Last lost was this week when i saw a hobgobelin alone in a belt. Engaging my enyo right on him (why? i still don't know what for, perhaps show to myself my overpowered dps) , blow fast this enormous target, and popped by concord. Was in 0.5, just forget to check this little detail. FRAPS Not only those mistakes...but also the faces of the guys behind the screen....faces going from triumphant looks to pale grey..... :-) Hilarious... "Alea iacta est"
Lagerstars Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:16:00 - [24] I upset a couple of people recently with awful setups, im at work so cant post the kill, but Harpy Vs Raven and Harpy winning was amusing to say the least and then refusing the ransom whilst waiting for a corp mate to come along to help him.... In his Hulk LOL.... so i relieved him of his ship for his troubles too. The smacktalk that followed for well over an hour after was funny tho, so much so it warranted me ensuring i caused the maximum misery for the 2 weeks after ----------------------------------------- - This space intentionally left blank -
Major Stormer Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:59:00 - [25] Edited by: Major Stormer on 08/10/2007 16:59:22 Better lession for new players: Do not underestimate the one day old char flying a much smaller ship then you. 2007.10.07 17:10 Victim:* Alliance: NONE Corp: Imperial Academy Destroyed: Harbinger System: Orkashu Security: 0.8 Involved parties: Name: **** (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Federal Navy Academy Ship: Incursus Weapon: Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I Destroyed items: Expanded Cargohold I Co-Processor I Co-Processor I Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Pyroxeres, Qty: 1610 (Cargo) Originally by:** SirMolle Excuse me? BoB slave corp? k, if thats what you wish, you just got your wish granted. Forever.
Kayna Eelai	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Corwain No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker. Ever. I mean cmon, look at its slots! Look at it's bonuses! While it works when ratting NPC frigates it's horrible inefficient. If he wanted to fit his ship that way he could have just bought a Cyclone that is CHEAPER and is actually designed to be fitted that way. and he should have known all of this because of... what exactly? ever thought that he might not even speak english properly, thus not able to figure out totally what the description of the ship is telling him? at least he was using AC/arties and not lasers, like in another post. he was not using a webber as he tried to shield tank it seems. maybe he was lacking skills for armor tank? who knows. and for a webless ship, a mix of arti/ac is probably the best option to take out both cruiser/frigattes at long/short range, specially if he is only a few weeks old and lacks skills. so, you "OMG I WAS BORN GODLY" can all go to hell, i bet you didn't achieve anything on your own anyways, just copied what forum sais (nice that you can speak english, some ppl. can't or can't properly) or did what a older corpmate told u. it's all like this OMG IMBA WOW GUILDS who kill a boss for first time, copying to the smallest detail a strategy they've read on forums and still thinking they are godly. to all that kind of ppl, i'll say what ford fairlane used to say to zuzu petals: shut up... just... shut the **** up.
Dotard	Posted - 2007.10.08 18:28:00 - [27] Funny, funny shtuff here! I'm laughing my *** off! (Jeez... I'm so easily entertained.) Nerf You! Buff Me!
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T.	Posted - 2007.10.08 19:30:00 - [28] Quote: at least he was using AC/arties and not lasers, like in another post. HEY ! That was on my second day "Alea iacta est"
Eofina Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:19:00 - [29] Yes he was only a 20 day character. Half the reason I even attempted such an undertaking. What pirate here wouldn't jump at the sight of a noob in a ship they shouldn't be flying? I'm only a 6 month character and I still love my Rifter, even though I could easily take out my cruiser or battlecruiser. Simply put this player shouldn't have been alone in a belt, ratting frigate NPC's, with such a horrible fitting in a battlecruiser. My advice to any new player reading this is: Do your homework. Check the forums, ask people questions in game, and consult the various ship fitting websites. The biggest ship isn't always the best ship. "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." ~ Dark Helmet
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:28:00 - [30] Happens all the time tbh. Got geddon with omen, brutix with omen, drake with punisher and tristan, raven with 3 t1 frigs, rokh with arbitrator, probably bunch of stuff I forgot... Than you see the killmail and loot and say "so THATS why he didnt kill me in first 2 seconds". Basically if you survive the very beginning in such a fight, it means opponent has no clue. If you dont... it's just a frig.
Making stuff	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:12:00 - [31] 20 mil ransom on a 30 mil ship? sonds a little dumb if you ask me.. id rather die then give u 20 mil. it actaully pays him to get ganked, if hes insured at least. a 7 mil ransom on a 30 mil ship however is a good trade off. i once ransomed a brutix for 7 mil and he payed it.. i was in a harpy. the key here being a low, believable ransom. anyway nice kill, but if you want to actaully get money from the guy, gotta be fair.
Eofina Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.10.09 21:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Making stuff 20 mil ransom on a 30 mil ship? sonds a little dumb if you ask me.. id rather die then give u 20 mil. it actaully pays him to get ganked, if hes insured at least. a 7 mil ransom on a 30 mil ship however is a good trade off. i once ransomed a brutix for 7 mil and he payed it.. i was in a harpy. the key here being a low, believable ransom. anyway nice kill, but if you want to actaully get money from the guy, gotta be fair. Maybe so, but I have enough ISK and it looked better on my Corps KB rather than in my wallet. 20 Mil (double the insurance + Mods) would have swayed my choice. To be honest I should have tried to make him eject and take the ship. "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." ~ Dark Helmet
Broken Rose Minmatar Tough Luck	Posted - 2007.10.09 23:45:00 - [33] Taking out Bc's in a frig is hard but I'm having fun with my kills. Hurricane Kill and dont forget the ferox, I mistook for a comorant, it was early/late. Ferox Not sure if linking KB mails are allowed if not Ill try to dig out the kill mails tomorrow. Ohh and another fun kill.. Rohk but for every BC i take down i have at least 2 deaths to their hands... although its close. Broken Rose.
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.10 01:17:00 - [34] haha people make mistakes, and people learn from them (sometimes) :D only yesterday i was sat 30km off a gate in my buzzard, just idly keeping an eye on traffic for my alliance. Sniping mega turns up 240km off the gate and sits there looking at me for a few minutes, doing nothing. i relay this info in intel channel, and go back to spamming my scanner... then i start taking damage and pretty quickly lose my ship, wtf!?!?!?! 'oh crap' i think 'i don't actually remember turning on my cloak... i must have cloaked, surely, oh man... that's embaressing' even worse was the deathmail... i give it a brief glance and it's HUGE, erm... i can't have lost that much can i? then after checking i realised i still had nearly all my Blueprints and skill books in my cargo from a recent corp relocation. awwww man, what the hell - only BPC's so didn't lose more than 100 or 1500mill, but pretty expensive loss for one frigate, due to a temporary bout of ultra-stupity i've learnt from it though, i hope _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Eofina Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.10.10 01:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Shiodome haha people make mistakes, and people learn from them (sometimes) :D I was flying around and found the same guy in the same system tonight. Rupture this time. He left system in a hurry, leaving his drones behind I believe. I found him one system over docked up. I linked him to this post and talked with him for a few minutes. Tried to give him a little advice. Seeing that he was in a smaller ship, and noticed me in local, is a good sign he has learned something. At least he didn't just give up and quit. "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." ~ Dark Helmet
Sujanra Acoma Minmatar The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.10 03:11:00 - [36] Yeah, the fit is a little O_o. You can shield tank a Hurricane, though. I have one for missions, does a great job. Lots of lowslots doesn't always mean armor tank. It can also mean damage mods out the ass.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar MKS Directorate	Posted - 2007.10.10 04:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 10/10/2007 04:12:09 Originally by: Corwain No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker. Ever. I mean cmon, look at its slots! Look at it's bonuses! Hurricanes make great passive shield tankers... all those low slots fitted with sheild relays and he would of laughed at the rifter regardless of the rifters fittings. anyway. good kill for the op. -edit I only gaurantee laughing at a single rifter frigate in such a situation. not a group of them or some mix thereof. :D
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.10 11:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Corwain No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker. Ever. I mean cmon, look at its slots! Look at it's bonuses! While it works when ratting NPC frigates it's horrible inefficient. If he wanted to fit his ship that way he could have just bought a Cyclone that is CHEAPER and is actually designed to be fitted that way. and he should have known all of this because of... what exactly? ever thought that he might not even speak english properly, thus not able to figure out totally what the description of the ship is telling him? at least he was using AC/arties and not lasers, like in another post. he was not using a webber as he tried to shield tank it seems. maybe he was lacking skills for armor tank? who knows. and for a webless ship, a mix of arti/ac is probably the best option to take out both cruiser/frigattes at long/short range, specially if he is only a few weeks old and lacks skills. so, you "OMG I WAS BORN GODLY" can all go to hell, i bet you didn't achieve anything on your own anyways, just copied what forum sais (nice that you can speak english, some ppl. can't or can't properly) or did what a older corpmate told u. it's all like this OMG IMBA WOW GUILDS who kill a boss for first time, copying to the smallest detail a strategy they've read on forums and still thinking they are godly. to all that kind of ppl, i'll say what ford fairlane used to say to zuzu petals: shut up... just... shut the **** up. Do you think all of us looked on the forums for every single ship setup? No. We look on the forums, see what patterns work, what tactics work, what concepts are involved, and begin to figure out the setups for ourselves. I still ask, and 95% of the time, they only require minor modifications (for example, switching passive resist arrays for actives on passive tanked Caracals/Drakes). As for concepts, they're like this: mixing ranges is a bad thing-you dictate the range if at all possible, not your enemies. Drones can help with targets which refuse to neatly drop into your range. And not only was he lacking in skills for an armor tank, he was lacking in 95% of the skills you should have before even so much as looking at a lowsec battlecruiser. And funny enough, you speak very good Engrish. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Doppler Shift Red 42 Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2007.10.10 19:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Corwain No, we weren't stupid enough to try to shield tank a ship that's obviously an armor tanker. Ever. I mean cmon, look at its slots! Look at it's bonuses! While it works when ratting NPC frigates it's horrible inefficient. If he wanted to fit his ship that way he could have just bought a Cyclone that is CHEAPER and is actually designed to be fitted that way. and he should have known all of this because of... what exactly? ever thought that he might not even speak english properly, thus not able to figure out totally what the description of the ship is telling him? at least he was using AC/arties and not lasers, like in another post. he was not using a webber as he tried to shield tank it seems. maybe he was lacking skills for armor tank? who knows. and for a webless ship, a mix of arti/ac is probably the best option to take out both cruiser/frigattes at long/short range, specially if he is only a few weeks old and lacks skills. so, you "OMG I WAS BORN GODLY" can all go to hell, i bet you didn't achieve anything on your own anyways, just copied what forum sais (nice that you can speak english, some ppl. can't or can't properly) or did what a older corpmate told u. it's all like this OMG IMBA WOW GUILDS who kill a boss for first time, copying to the smallest detail a strategy they've read on forums and still thinking they are godly. to all that kind of ppl, i'll say what ford fairlane used to say to zuzu petals: shut up... just... shut the **** up. math = win It takes neither extensive forum research nor a degree in literature to click "show info" on market entries and recognize what fittings make sense. The ability to think for yourself and recognize advantages/disadvantages relative to available alternatives are skills which transcend this little online game. Hopefully any perceived trauma from our heartless forum ridicule is outweighed by the reminder that yes, it is OK to engage your brain in everything that you do. If you don't like this cruel, harsh community, CIHYS? --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
NeoTheo Caldari Dark Materials Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 12:11:00 - [40] lol class
Krysta Gemme The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.10.11 14:44:00 - [41] Originally by: DarthMopp A lesson to the older players: We fly what we want. If we loose em due to our noobness, well its our fault, lesson learned then (hopefully). You know what: this is just a f....ing game. Anyone who really cares about this virtual isk thing should consult a psycho-doc ! And to those who always say "Thiz fitting is making my eyez bleed" ..sounds like you arrived at EvE with already 20Million Skillpoints and you always knew what to fit dont you ? Or did even you "Gods of EvE" did some mistakes ? Unthinkable. So you killed an unexperienced nub ! With an extremely lousy fitting...while transporting his loot and salvage. Geez...guess he learned his lesson. Oh..and how glad you must be that there are still unexperienced noobs who make such mistakes....otherwise you wouldnt be able to rack up your killboard, eh ? There's no excuse to be noobish about fitting. I read the forum before I ever bought the game. There are lots of fansites and places to ask questions. Nothing is clear till you play of course, but at least I don't shield tank my Harbinger just because I was too proud to read a FAQ online. Being a noob is unavoidable, not trying to fix that inevitable problem is your own fault. ----------------------

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