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Ermenegildo Zenya
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:14:00 -
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I don't understand why the subscription for members of European Union is so much higher than the one for the Rest of the World!!!
We [EU members] will propably have to quit this farse cos sorry 14.95 EUR = 18.9312 USD [21.02.04][:shock:] IT HAS NOTHING IN COMMON WITH ACTUAL SUBSCRIPTION in $ [14.95]. I know that it looks nice 14,95 Euro = 14,95 $ but it's totally mess and unfair.
I hope that this BIG mistake will be replaced before the changes in subscriptions are to become obligatory.
As an example I can recall my TWB corp [almost 30 ppl] - after the changes in subscriptions 6 members are going to quit EVE for sure, next 6 are 50/50 but propably will quit too . The morale of the rest is very low so i suppose it will end with the majority of my corpmates leaving their playing.
It sounds like nothing important but i am sure that it will be the same in any other EU corp. I am willing to pay 2$ with a smile but not 6$ IT'S TOTALLY CRAP!!!
If i am wrong please enlighten me! 
"Log-in trap" is baaad, mkay?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:19:00 -
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Because we live under a ******* communist regime that wants to tax us to death. Go complain to them.
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:41:00 -
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Two words. . . "EU VAT."
Okay, that was actually two abreviations, but you should get the idea.
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The Monk
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:46:00 -
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I live in the UK and already pay UK VAT. DOes this mean I have to pay UK VAT as well as EU VAT in which case that is grossly unfair!!!!
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Rilkenaar
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:52:00 -
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Whats troubles me and finally makes me to leave is one thig:
1 month subscription in dollars = 14.95$ (after the taxing)
1 month subscription in euros = 14.95euro (after the taxing)
1 euro =1.28$ where is logic in this?
And I`m not talkin about 2$ per month more...this I can handle...but I will not accept changing my subscription to euro.
Thats why I`m leaving. beacuse EVE will cost me 50% then a month ago.
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Morgawse
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:53:00 -
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This change is brought about by a change in EU laws. Therefore we pay more. If you want to complain then complain to your European MPs . . . who will do nothing.
This cannot be avoided, and is also happening in other games e.g. Star Wars Galaxies.
At the current exchange rate 14.99 euros is 10.41 UK Sterling, which doesnt seem bad at all.
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Ermenegildo Zenya
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Posted - 2004.02.21 14:58:00 -
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Ok EU TAX - but even thought - 14,95 + 17%-22% doesn't give 18.93!!!! - i am about being honest and fair too...
"Log-in trap" is baaad, mkay?
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Xtra Bitter
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:09:00 -
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I live in the UK and already pay UK VAT. DOes this mean I have to pay UK VAT as well as EU VAT in which case that is grossly unfair!!!!
VAT is a European wide tax though the rates vary slightly from country to country it is essentially the same tax and you only pay it once per purchase of a good or service within the EU.
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Traak
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:24:00 -
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Do what i do, pay for EVE via http://www.paybycash.com/
Its a US Based company offering MMORPG payment solutions for people who don't own a credit card.I've been with them for 3 years now, they're very trustworthy.Anyway the point is, since you directly pay them and they manage your account, you're paying US MMORPG rates, not european.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:37:00 -
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Yeah blame CCP for the insane taxation you Europeans go through. Or try moving to the U.S. where u are free to keep more of your own money? Or get a life and quit this game - and gimme your stuff.
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Nathan Zachary
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:42:00 -
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and for the european ppl: Use www.moneybookers.com
This company based in uk is something like an onlinebanking service. you transfer money from your real, normal bank account to your moneybookers account and then easily use payby cash via the moneybookers option. Saves some hassle with international bank transfers to paybycash accounts and the like.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.02.21 15:42:00 -
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Do what i do, pay for EVE via http://www.paybycash.com/
Its a US Based company offering MMORPG payment solutions for people who don't own a credit card.I've been with them for 3 years now, they're very trustworthy.Anyway the point is, since you directly pay them and they manage your account, you're paying US MMORPG rates, not european.
THANK YOU!! Tell them this again :). 3 months for 36 bucks I think...
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Ichabod Dirange
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Posted - 2004.02.21 16:03:00 -
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Communist regime.  
Move somewhere else and see what edumacation you're going to get and what sense of community there is when no-one is paying any real attention to the common good but lipservice.
I dare you.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.02.21 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 21/02/2004 16:12:25
Explanation from Judicator....I tried to explain this before but not as well. Once you read this you can stop blaming CCP . On top of that, if you see yourself being here in 3months time get a 3 month (or 6month like me) sub and avoid the price increase all together. And yes it is a large % increase, but % increases are relative to the original amount, and since this was not that large in the first place it isn't as bad as it sounds.
Oh and Monk, the UK is fine....even with the price increase because of the exchange rate we are still paying less per month than we were back last May/June (so long as pound stays strong)
Anyway, Judicators explanation:
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I made a post in the dev blog yesterday adressed to Hellmar and I actually got an answer. The reason for the switch to EURO is that the exchange rate is what covers the VAT.
I redid the calculation and found that with the current exchange rate I am paying a fraction above 25% VAT, Danish VAT is 25%. This will obviously change depending on how strong the DKR is against the Euro, but since Denmark has an "exchange rate fixing" towards the EURO I do not see any chance I'll ever get below 25% or high above 25%.
It your national currency is stronger than the EURO your VAT is lower than mine, if not it can be higher.
For me Hellmars answer revealed the logic in it, I was just starring myself blind on the % I was paying more. They are covering the VAT via the exchange rate, that in itself is clever enough and a tad risky due to currency fluctuations.
I could illustrate this more. Say we still payed in USD. A non-european will be paying 14.95 USD since he does not have to pay VAT. Europeans will pay 14.95 USD + their VAT. According to the Directive residents are paying VAT according to their national VAT. If I use myself as an example I would be paying 14.95 * 1.25 = 18.68 USD. 14.95 EURO is approx. 19 USD so it evens out almost. Some will loose out a bit, others will win some, but overall it's actually a pretty neat way of doing it if you ask me.
So despite not liking this change I can't really hold it against CCP. The EU gets my hate and anger now.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:01:00 -
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sounds like the EU is the suck. Glad i live in the states.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:31:00 -
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It is NOT BECAUSE OF THE TAX!
It is because CCP, in some twisted money grabbing logic, has decided to increase the price of Eve through the exchange rate.
Get a clue, people.
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Aturayd
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:38:00 -
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if you dont like 14.95EU, then get the 6 month subsciption and pay less.. easy as cake.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:39:00 -
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sounds like the EU is the suck. Glad i live in the states.
I'm glad I live in a democracy. I hear you americans are proud of thinking you are one too :)
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2004.02.21 17:55:00 -
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Yep, we think we live in one. That's why we've never had a king or queen of our own... Don't talk about democracy as it is a new concept to Europe.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nightfang on 21/02/2004 18:06:52
I don't mind paying 50% extra for a computer game when I know what that money is used for. In Sweden I enjoy free school and care from birth to worklife, free hospital and dental service throughout my life, and free pension when I get old and grey.
In addition to that I get to enjoy some of the best quality utilities in the world for small fees, all subsidized by my government. And everyone gets a chance for someplace to live.
In *more* addition to that I live in a country which has been at peace for the last 400 years, and have a parliament with roots from the 17th century.
Now remind me again, america is a true democracy? If you think that you only show you are product of it's ludicrously low quality educational system...
Peace out. I don't mind paying a few additional Ç for that every month bearing the above in mind!
Ps. New concept? Please go look up the "Roman Republic" please. Ds.
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:14:00 -
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I know all about the Romans thanks, my Dad was born in Spain. We do business in the EU all the time and many have many finacial and real estate assets there. He loves Spain but always says that the US is the best country in the world and provides more opportunities than any other nation. If I were you I wouldn't be proud that my country has had peace for 400 years, all it shows is you don't fight for what you believe in. When war does roll around to your nation I pity you because your country will be sorely un-prepared. Poor education system? We'll see how poor it is when I graduate from an American college with my degree and make $70,000 a year starting (already have an offer). Keep your free medical, I only have to pay when I need it, you pay for it whether you use it or not... |
Durandal
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 21/02/2004 18:25:00
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Yep, we think we live in one. That's why we've never had a king or queen of our own... Don't talk about democracy as it is a new concept to Europe.
PS Socialism is barely democracy
You have so had a king of your own. The British Empire owned your asses for a long time...the French even had a go  . And then there was Elvis......
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I know all about the Romans thanks, my Dad was born in Spain. We do business in the EU all the time and many have many finacial and real estate assets there. He loves Spain but always says that the US is the best country in the world and provides more opportunities than any other nation. If I were you I wouldn't be proud that my country has had peace for 400 years, all it shows is you don't fight for what you believe in. When war does roll around to your nation I pity you because your country will be sorely un-prepared. Poor education system? We'll see how poor it is when I graduate from an American college with my degree and make $70,000 a year starting (already have an offer). Keep your free medical, I only have to pay when I need it, you pay for it whether you use it or not...
Please don't go down this line. The US also opresses as many of its own citizens as it does provide opportunities. There is no such thing as the best country in the world, and quite frankly, if you think peace for 400 years is a bad thing then I feel sorry for you. America has seen war not because of what it believes in over its history, but because of greed....it is not a history you particularly want to shout about.
As for the education system, US is fine altho its a bit weird that you can get to one of these fine colleges by throwing a ball or running fast. And as for a free health service, it is not to be sneered at....paying for it even when you are not using it is not bad, and to think it is just leads back to my point on greed and "opportunities".
Now see what you made me do, I got annoyed and made a post that will prob get this thread locked
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:20:00 -
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Notice I said "of our own". so you're wrong
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Nightfang on 21/02/2004 18:22:59
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I know all about the Romans thanks, my Dad was born in Spain. We do business in the EU all the time and many have many finacial and real estate assets there. He loves Spain but always says that the US is the best country in the world and provides more opportunities than any other nation. If I were you I wouldn't be proud that my country has had peace for 400 years, all it shows is you don't fight for what you believe in. When war does roll around to your nation I pity you because your country will be sorely un-prepared. Poor education system? We'll see how poor it is when I graduate from an American college with my degree and make $70,000 a year starting (already have an offer). Keep your free medical, I only have to pay when I need it, you pay for it whether you use it or not...
Actually, I pay because I *might* need it sometimes, and I also pay so that others who need it can use it. This is because we as a society care for each other. This is also the reason for our long era of peace - we don't really believe in killing each other. That's what we believe you whereas the US is the most warmongering country in the world. Also the only democracy repeatedly violating the human rights set up by the United Nations.
Do please lecture me more. While you're at it, remind me who put Pinochet in power, remind me who sponsored ****** ******* so he could fight Iran and please remind me of who gave Bin Laden CIA training and 5 billion dollars to fight the russians.
How much money you make does not have anything to do with your educational standards. You will be the proof of it.
Word filter for S'adda'm Hu'ssein? PLEASE
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:27:00 -
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yep I'll be the proof of it. You sit on the sidelines while I make a difference, just like your country has done for years. I don't believe in merely insuring my existance, I believe in going out of my way for what I believe. Guess that is something your culture has not instilled in you. Pity.
Im done
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 21/02/2004 18:38:26
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Notice I said "of our own". so you're wrong
kthxbye.
I thought Elvis was American? And besides that point was a joke....lighten up or I'll pod ya!
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yep I'll be the proof of it. You sit on the sidelines while I make a difference, just like your country has done for years. I don't believe in merely insuring my existance, I believe in going out of my way for what I believe. Guess that is something your culture has not instilled in you. Pity.
Im done
ROFLMAO. You promise your done? Please say you are cos my sides ache, finding it hard to breathe, lol .
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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2003Cobra
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:29:00 -
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pod me?? LOL come on down=) |
Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:32:00 -
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yep I'll be the proof of it. You sit on the sidelines while I make a difference, just like your country has done for years. I don't believe in merely insuring my existance, I believe in going out of my way for what I believe. Guess that is something your culture has not instilled in you. Pity.
Im done
2003Cobra
Forsaken Empire
Funny hearing an American talking about culture
Especially when you didn't pay any attention to most of my previous post...
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:34:00 -
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I blame Fox News.
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Ichabod Dirange
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Posted - 2004.02.21 18:56:00 -
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I don't believe in merely insuring my existance, I believe in going out of my way for what I believe.
Forcing your values on others is hardly something to be proud of.
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