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sweetheart
Black Reign
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:26:00 -
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Very good read
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To Win is Everything
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EdRush
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:17:00 -
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Another nicely detailed read ...cheers!
Keep them comming
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:51:00 -
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Very good read again, and very detailed.
However, I must agree with the following poster, what is the world coming to..... 
 Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Future events will prove a main thesis of the OP to be incorrect. BoB and large alliances like this will not fall strictly to blunt trauma, but leadership fatigue and lack of confidence in leadership will sap the will of rank and file to resist. Just because some leaders have been replaced doesn't mean that they can therefore endlessly churn leaders and be okay. Eventually, they will stumble on the right combination of leaders who succeed in royally screwing things up. BoB may be there right now, in fact.
It's sort of the Eve version of the Peter Principle. The institutional/ethnic bonds governing alliance formation are not particularly strong (though they may be in some cases); alliances tend to be oriented around charismatic personalities. When those are gone or the luster on them fades, new alignments are made, sometimes radically different.
You cannot predict what will happen next in terms of morale and leadership changes and decisions, and so you have not given your points 3 and 4 their correct weighting in the final summary.
Yes, when its all said and done, perhaps only blunt force will dictate the final outcome. But you can never discount morale loss and/or leadership changes as cataclysmic effects that initiate the 'failure cascade'.
Nevertheless, excellent writeup and exposition of the failure of an alliance.
P.S - Could I be so bold as to suggest that you allow more time to pass between each presentation of your installments? Its a lot to digest in a single forum session, perhaps an instalment every two or three days might be better, as I for one intend to read them all and it takes a good while to form a full opinion on all the information in your threads 
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:04:00 -
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Waiting for part 3.
Originally by: Karanth
Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.
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Natas Dog
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
P.S - Could I be so bold as to suggest that you allow more time to pass between each presentation of your installments? Its a lot to digest in a single forum session, perhaps an instalment every two or three days might be better, as I for one intend to read them all and it takes a good while to form a full opinion on all the information in your threads
I was actually going to suggest linking to a PDF or some other format in the OP of each installment when posted. The CAOD character limits are ******* terrible, and it would be a lot easier on the eyes posted anywhere but here.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:43:00 -
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To be honest, I thnk the LV dissolution was less due to the loss of the titan, than due to major disaffection with game mechanics wich made the defense impossible (crash of system by blobbing, hours long log-in waits, aparent preference of ships cynoing into the system over people crashed inside).
Morale was very high before that day, but the impossibility of game mechanics allowing one to defend (and enough people showed up to defend the place, combined with the massive gate bubbling etc. but all those people didn'tlke looking at a login sceen for hours while the POSes got shot with all defenders being crashed out).
After that, I think that a lot of people simply said: I don't care anymore as the game doesn't allow us to make the effort, and LV went appart. (at least what I gahered/interpreted from my recollecton of post/tone/discussions back then).
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Natas Dog
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
To be honest, I thnk the LV dissolution was less due to the loss of the titan, than due to major disaffection with game mechanics wich made the defense impossible (crash of system by blobbing, hours long log-in waits, aparent preference of ships cynoing into the system over people crashed inside).
Morale was very high before that day, but the impossibility of game mechanics allowing one to defend (and enough people showed up to defend the place, combined with the massive gate bubbling etc. but all those people didn'tlke looking at a login sceen for hours while the POSes got shot with all defenders being crashed out).
After that, I think that a lot of people simply said: I don't care anymore as the game doesn't allow us to make the effort, and LV went appart. (at least what I gahered/interpreted from my recollecton of post/tone/discussions back then).
That's pretty weak honestly. As a goon I've been on both the giving and receiving end of this situation, and other than a lot of grumbling its just a known fact that lag exists. Not even a month ago when we lost our MS out in CoRM space the lag was so bad I lost my DD tanked Rokh to fighters from an MS and a Carrier without even being able to issue a warp command to get out in time, let alone shoot anything. Go up to FAT (Or is it F4R now? I haven't been following the battle lines very closely, sorry IAC :() and try some of the action out there, it's worse now than it ever was during the LV campaign. By that logic we should be seeing failure cascades as a result of any major fleet engagement since Rev2.
My point is, if LV were to have won that engagement regardless of how crap the lag was and how impossible the odds were, I'll guarantee the catalyst for your failure cascade wouldn't have been there. It was still a foregone conclusion that your alliance was going to topple, our leadership made sure to array an overwhelming force against you to get you out of the way before BoB started showing a real interest in attacking us. But it would have taken us a bit longer had you saved that Titan against all odds.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:28:00 -
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Hey.. as I said .. or impled .. above, that was my impression.
That people at the time said it's impossible to defend due to game mechanics, and sorta gave up.
Of course, impressions can be wrong. I had a good time PvPing back then.
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.12 16:25:00 -
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The text is a pretty good read but what I get most out of this is just what a totally awesome game EVE really is. Where else would you get such a rich analysis that tbh barely scratches the surface (no offense to the o.p. intended). Cricket buffs try to waffle about pschology and leadership a lot, poker has resource/attrition and willpower/discipline aspects, chess has a fair few angles and is undeniably a hard game, but EVE... seriously what other game comes close in complexity that you can write such things about it without it sounding either silly or obvious?
We're used to computer games coming and going with a life-span of a few years (and okay things like counter-strike defy the odds) but maybe EVE is the chess of the 21st century: A game which people will be playing versions of in hundreds of years time. A formula that can't be matched or beaten. Without the lag of course. And yes, I'm convinced people *do* enjoy pos warfare, in the same way a boxer enjoys getting his face caved in. The endurance makes the end result so much more satisfying.
I'll have to take issue with your 'CCP Sucks' title in advance of course
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
holy ****!
...are you some sort of political/military adviser/historian in RL? cuz this piece of writing here is the most comprehensive, in-depth analysis about past, present and future projections in the field of politics and military strategy I ever read in these forums.
****in' impressive I say.
I just quote this. Coz its true.
Cheers,
Lowa
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