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Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:16:00 - [1] Ok CCP, it would be VERY nice of you guys if you could explain this to me .. some guy in a Raven in Kusomonmon (high sec empire) took from an ore can, thus aggressing to our corp. We engaged the Raven in Frigates, and when our Vagabond pilot came in (with the Raven still firing at us), he was still aggressing, etc etc, the whole nine yards. Vagabond pilot opens fire .. AND CONCORD POPS HIM! While we as his corpmates still merrily dissect the Raven .. you have got to be kidding me. We're firing the petition right now, and this isn't intended as whining or anything but .. GET YOUR EFFING ACT TOGETHER CCP for crying out loud. Quit adding to the damn game and fix the stuff that is broken .. or is that concept too hard to understand? __________
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Ulendar GET YOUR EFFING ACT TOGETHER CCP for crying out loud. Quit adding to the damn game and fix the stuff that is broken .. or is that concept too hard to understand? Oh for the love of god... /facepalm Quote: then some bager comes along to get the wreck loot so i target him i dont shoot nithing im tryiong to warn him too get away next thing i know is your sec stats has been wat and shows -100 then i
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:22:00 - [3] I have every right to be upset and angry at anytime I so choose kthx. I've been playing this for over 4 years now and put up with TONS and TONS of bugs, and maybe if I perhaps, kinda, a little bit, used offensive language, excuse me .. I am only human. __________
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Ulendar Ok CCP, it would be VERY nice of you guys if you could explain this to me .. some guy in a Raven in Kusomonmon (high sec empire) took from an ore can, thus aggressing to our corp. We engaged the Raven in Frigates, and when our Vagabond pilot came in (with the Raven still firing at us), he was still aggressing, etc etc, the whole nine yards. Vagabond pilot opens fire .. AND CONCORD POPS HIM! While we as his corpmates still merrily dissect the Raven .. you have got to be kidding me. We're firing the petition right now, and this isn't intended as whining or anything but .. GET YOUR EFFING ACT TOGETHER CCP for crying out loud. Quit adding to the damn game and fix the stuff that is broken .. or is that concept too hard to understand? refer to my sig --------------------------- how about ya have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up eh?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 10/10/2007 20:23:46 ONE VERY IMPORTANT LESSON YOU MUST LEARN fire your remote* reps at ALLIES edit for spelling: report reps? wtf? Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Ulendar I have every right to be upset and angry at anytime I so choose kthx. I've been playing this for over 4 years now and put up with TONS and TONS of bugs, and maybe if I perhaps, kinda, a little bit, used offensive language, excuse me .. I am only human. Linkage Also, you don't know WTF you're talking about regarding the whole "stop adding things n fix teh BUGZ!" argument. Stop making it and I won't be forced to expose the fundamental flaws in that line of thinking. That would be better for both of us. Quote: then some bager comes along to get the wreck loot so i target him i dont shoot nithing im tryiong to warn him too get away next thing i know is your sec stats has been wat and shows -100 then i
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald refer to my sig So it's ok for you to lose ships to bugs and never ever say anything about it? Put up with anything that comes your way? Sorry, I don't work that way, maybe you do, but that's your choice. __________
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Tarminic Also, you don't know WTF you're talking about regarding the whole "stop adding things n fix teh BUGZ!" argument. Stop making it and I won't be forced to expose the fundamental flaws in that line of thinking. That would be better for both of us. Oh I don't? We can agree to disagree then, and I don't happen to feel exposed to anything. __________
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:27:00 - [9] Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Ulendar Originally by: Arvald refer to my sig So it's ok for you to lose ships to bugs and never ever say anything about it? Put up with anything that comes your way? Sorry, I don't work that way, maybe you do, but that's your choice. ....ok then --------------------------- how about ya have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up eh?

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:29:00 - [11] CCP has found another way to nerf the privateers Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:30:00 - [12] Originally by: MrTripps Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... We were all in gang .. the Raven also never stopped shooting (Vaga arrived like 5 minutes after the fight started). __________
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Ulendar Originally by: MrTripps Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... We were all in gang .. the Raven also never stopped shooting (Vaga arrived like 5 minutes after the fight started). i think everyone ether has to be in the same system or grid for it to work, could be wrong though --------------------------- how about ya have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up eh?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Ulendar Originally by: MrTripps Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... We were all in gang .. the Raven also never stopped shooting (Vaga arrived like 5 minutes after the fight started). Just make sure you file a petition in that case, but also consult the Knowledge Base - it may reveal what happened. Quote: then some bager comes along to get the wreck loot so i target him i dont shoot nithing im tryiong to warn him too get away next thing i know is your sec stats has been wat and shows -100 then i
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:37:00 - [15] Originally by: MrTripps Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... heeeeeeey!! someone figured it out. OP: nice going, your vaga pilot got killed by his own stupidity. raven not flashing red in overview = NO SHOOTING. not tough to work out. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:39:00 - [16] what was a vagapilot doing in combat anyway? they tank worse than shuttles Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: MrTripps Doesn't such agro apply to gangs, not corps? If the Vaga wasn't in your gang when you got aggressed... heeeeeeey!! someone figured it out. OP: nice going, your vaga pilot got killed by his own stupidity. raven not flashing red in overview = NO SHOOTING. not tough to work out. No, learn to read. The Vaga pilot WAS in gang. __________
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:42:00 - [18] Can I have your stuff? Sorry, couldn't help it. Petition it, CCP must have the data available and take appropriate action. They are doing their best you know. rgds
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:45:00 - [19] Gangs dont get agression anymore, CCP nerfed it because n00bs were to stupid and crying over spilt milk. Must be same corp, same Alliance isn't even safe. As for your issue, was he out of system when it started ? He may not get rights if he was docked or in another system. ___
Compton'Ass Terry	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:45:00 - [20] I lol'd Also, something must be bugged out.....

Koba Kyogen byeee Corp Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Ulendar Ok CCP, it would be VERY nice of you guys if you could explain this to me .. some guy in a Raven in Kusomonmon (high sec empire) took from an ore can, thus aggressing to our corp. We engaged the Raven in Frigates, and when our Vagabond pilot came in (with the Raven still firing at us), he was still aggressing, etc etc, the whole nine yards. Vagabond pilot opens fire .. AND CONCORD POPS HIM! While we as his corpmates still merrily dissect the Raven .. you have got to be kidding me. We're firing the petition right now, and this isn't intended as whining or anything but .. GET YOUR EFFING ACT TOGETHER CCP for crying out loud. Quit adding to the damn game and fix the stuff that is broken .. or is that concept too hard to understand? drown me in the sweet waters of your discontent. . Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:47:00 - [22] Crux of the matter here is... 1. Was the Raven flashing red to the vaga pilot? 2. Did the Vaga pilot inadvertently aggro something neutral? Theft from one of the OP's cans should have flagged the Raven to all members of the OP's corp for the duration of the timer. Being in a gang with the victim of a theft does notgive the gang members rights to attack (unless they are in the same corp as the victim of the theft). If the vaga pilot attacked only the raven while it was flashing red to him...then it is obviously a bug.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:49:00 - [23] Privateers whining, haha, no sympathy from me == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:59:00 - [24] Originally by: hydraSlav Privateers whining, haha, no sympathy from me Hardly whining. Anger is the more appropriate term. Ship can be replaced easily (even if CCP claim they don't have logs once more..), this is just a matter of principle. @ one of the previous posters .. Vaga pilot was indeed in a different system when it started ... lovely to know __________
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2007.10.10 21:03:00 - [25] If the vagabond came 5 minutes after the fight began, perhaps the aggression timer had run out by then?
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 21:07:00 - [26] 1) Was the Vagabond pilot in your corp? Gang membership is irrelevant. Only corp membership affects can flagging. 2) Did the Vagabond pilot engage within 15 minutes of the can theft? Your on going combat would have reset the agro timers for each of those involved, but it would not have reset the agro timer for the corp. Those who want in on the fight must get in within those 15 minutes. Unless the answer to both of those questions is a yes, the Concord is working as intended. Sorry about your loss, but try again next time. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Myra2007	Posted - 2007.10.10 21:40:00 - [27] Edited by: Myra2007 on 10/10/2007 21:42:42 One thing important is you don't share the flags of your gang members. People should get this straight because in every such thread somebody gives false intel and boom the next poor guy gets killed by concord. However if somebody steals from your can he will be flagged to your whole corp for 15 minutes. If you manage to agress him during this time the aggro timer will reset with every shot fired and each module activation on target back to 15minutes. However it will NOT reset for the whole corp, only for the individual members that manage to agress during the first 15minutes. So what might have happened: Frigs engage ebil raven but cannot break the tank. Now for each frig pilot who agresses the raven his timer will keep resetting enabling him to keep firing the raven as long as he wishes. Now some time later during the fight friendly vaga comes in. Vaga engages but its been more than 15minutes after the first aggression(the can looting) and he didn't agress him during this period. So, the raven is not flagged to the vaga but still to the frigs. Well, and then boom and owned. If that is what happened (check combat logs for time of agression of the vaga and compare to when the can stealing happened) then: a) vaga pilot is to blame for not checking his overview if raven was actually flagged to him b) its correct game mechanics and your pilot got served rightfully If not i suspect an overview bug showing the raven as flagged when it actually wasnt due to how the aggro timer works(described above). Edit: I've never experienced such a bug, but have seen lots of people reporting it. Not sure what to make out of it.
Atomic Atty Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.10 22:08:00 - [28] You don't seem to realize that the team fixing stuff isn't the same as the team adding stuff, do you ?
Atomic Atty Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.10 22:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord Sometimes I dont even realise there is a team fixing stuff. The thing is with over 600 things that needs to be fixed ( Oveur said that in the Tournament ), even if 5 or 10 are fixed you'd probably not notice until you're said it's been.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.10 22:31:00 - [30] the team that adds stuff is for the most part unqualified to aid the team that fixes stuff, nearly as much so as the numbskulls that post moronic garbage about how they should be Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...



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