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codex09 Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:40:00 - [1] IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting. Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc. If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style. Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me. Don't let your FEARS Dictate where u go or what u do, use them to your advantage! In Space NO-ONE Can Hear You Scream!?!
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Shiodome on 11/10/2007 00:48:17 for me...no. i'm not a pirate myself, but in my experience whenever i go more than 2 jumps from the entrances into low sec, then there's virtually no pirates around. there may be an over-abundance of lazy muppets that sit in the same system 24/7 but for me there's a shortage of 'real pirates' those that hunt, that ransom, that will chase prey, not give up if they leave the system. in a year now i've only been ransomed once, and only felt the 'thrill' of being prey a handful of times. as one of your victims i demand more encounters betwixt you and i, it's always fun and sure beats the crap out of gatecamps, which i have no respect for and are laughably easy to avoid in low sec. so... i reckon there's a shortage of decent pirates, and an overabunance of lazy muppets not worth the title of 'pirate', and i kinda ignore the second category. _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Gen Kumon Caldari Tedan Tippedai	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:52:00 - [3] Personally, I don't think the number of pirates is the issue. It only seems like there's too many because of the lack of low-sec population in general. Compared to the number of miners, mission runners, and 0.0 PvPers, there's really not THAT many pirates. It's just that you rarely find anything else in low-sec. Though I will agree there's possibly too many pirates to be properly sustained by the rest of the low-sec population, that's not a huge issue, as there's always those that raid 0.0, as well as doing other activities besides pure piracy for an income.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:54:00 - [4] btw just wondering are you smoking *****? eve is probly less in pirates then it has ever been. My old corp member and friend tiller has left and alot of pirates have left eve. Eve is 99.99% antipirate 0.0 people and carebear 10month old mission running raven pilots in the NPC corp. There are only a few original pirate corps left like the Factory, Pak, Gift etc. (Gift is a person not a corp :P) Although i am very disappointed Gift because his employment history has many a corps in there :p j/k budd. But as for the factory where one corp where 99% of the members have only the factory in there employment. i am not sure if my good pal skywalker even plays eve anymore either i doubt it cause i ant seen em flying around bleak lands forever. All the mmorpgs out now are horrible games, and eve happens to be the best of the worst and when a decent game comes out which wont be soon (i blame liberalism who takes care of the carebears and crybabys who cannot stand games where other people can loot your items, that natural selection would normally get rid of for the rest of us) Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:57:00 - [5] Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 11/10/2007 00:58:33 As pirates we have to adapt which a nice remote shield rep and a assult frig can catch anything on entry woot. However we roam all the time and its boring as hell nowadays thats why pirates have quit eve. There is nothing to kill system after system. Nothing but Botting haulers hundreds and hundreds of botting haulers with stupid loot like 5K units of mission containers and a 5K m3 of group of homeless people ug. CCP needs to make more lv 4 agents in low sec or something cause Freaking HeII its boring to roam most the time, and there ant a dang thing in the belts anymore. At least with 15km warping you had a chance to catch BS's when they warped to the station. Originally by: Mr Bodacious translated for the general public: The amount of pirate poo juice in our pants... is unfathomable by normal means
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:58:00 - [6] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN btw just wondering are you smoking *****? eve is probly less in pirates then it has ever been. My old corp member and friend tiller has left and alot of pirates have left eve. Eve is 99.99% antipirate 0.0 people and carebear 10month old mission running raven pilots in the NPC corp. There are only a few original pirate corps left like the Factory, Pak, Gift etc. (Gift is a person not a corp :P) Although i am very disappointed Gift because his employment history has many a corps in there :p j/k budd. But as for the factory where one corp where 99% of the members have only the factory in there employment. i am not sure if my good pal skywalker even plays eve anymore either i doubt it cause i ant seen em flying around bleak lands forever. All the mmorpgs out now are horrible games, and eve happens to be the best of the worst and when a decent game comes out which wont be soon (i blame liberalism who takes care of the carebears and crybabys who cannot stand games where other people can loot your items, that natural selection would normally get rid of for the rest of us) translated for the general public: The amount of pirate poo juice in our pants... is unfathomable by normal means.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.11 01:20:00 - [7] Most pirates would say that there are not enough targets in low sec, so you might be right . But then you look at the number of pilots that never leave high sec and just go round and round grinding missions. There are far more high sec dwellers than there are pirates. Pirates also kill other pirates, they just don't care what they shoot at..it's all pew pew. Some would call me a piwat, but we just jumped a piwat camp and shooty shooty with them. Was fun Le Skunk and friends When you are killed in a belt for the first time, you probably think ..omg, why did this guy hunt me down. Truth is..he sat there waiting for a long time. You were just in wrong place at wrong time. Bottom line is, whatever your label..pirate or anti pirate, we need more of you. This game is about shooting things, and being blown up. If you don't want to ever find yourself in combat, then stay in an npc corp, never go to low sec, and whine on forums about suicide ganking I, erm, like kill things and stuff
codex09 Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 01:33:00 - [8] People please remember I am not creating a get rid of the pirates thread, I was just asking a question that was aimed at helping people that might be considering becoming pirates. as I said in my original thread I think real pirates serve a good purpose in the game and I don't think EVE would be anywhere near s good to play if there was no pirates. thank you all for your replies so far. It is good to hear from people that are in the trade to get how they feel about the situation. Don't let your FEARS Dictate where u go or what u do, use them to your advantage! In Space NO-ONE Can Hear You Scream!?!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.11 02:19:00 - [9] In losec you have: -Pirates Then you have: -Wannabe pirates (buckets of these...Darwin sorts 'em ) -0.0 alliance alts/mains running around either "regrouping and yarring" (again...see Darwin) or just looking for a blob-free fight. -Random corps that bait from hisec....and run for the safety of Jita The list goes on. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.11 02:46:00 - [10] I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!! Now I gotta buy a new vaga Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Sweetpain	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:20:00 - [11] Originally by: codex09 IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting. Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc. If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style. Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me. Eve- can never have to many pirates! Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them. And for the fact that most pirates are just one of several accounts the same player is controlling. So eve can never get to many pirates. And im ot talking about the few people that have only one character that is a pirate, or the even fewer people that have several accounts where all characters on them are pirates. just count the number of replies that feel the need to defend their possition after this
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:29:00 - [12] I think "Pirates" are not in over-abundance. Pirating usually requires ransoming, or some other means of profit. Most of the people you see in low-sec are people who play to blow **** up. They don't care about profits or the mythical e-honor. They just want to roam around and gank the hell out of anything that can be blown up. They continue playing by GTC's (or the other, evil method). I think the game is evolving into something else...and pvp is looking for a new arena. ________________________________ I hate you, too.
Rudy Metallo Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:47:00 - [13] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 11/10/2007 03:47:22 No, we are not. Real pirates are few and far between. There are, however, a lot of players who sit in the same system all day looking for nubs to prey on and then dock as soon as a real challenge comes along, and there are quite a few "PvP'ers" who refuse to go outlaw, and don't attack indiscriminantly and without hesitation. So I would say we pirates, we ransom-men, we nomads of the sword, are a very rare breed indeed. Say what?
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.10.11 04:05:00 - [14] There may be lots of griefors in well traveled systems.. but you don't hear about pirates like you used to.. meh.. ☠-->-->--
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.10.11 04:39:00 - [15] You people are making this far too complicated... The government actually has an equation for this type of thing.. And if the United States government can figure something out.. Than its probably on the IQ level of a ******** monkey. Simply use the equations used by parks and wildlife rangers too determine when hunting season will be and, what the kill limit will be. We are currently in a situation where the deer are not grazing in the areas we hunt.. Moreover the deer have discovered a wildlife refuge and are all hiding in there.. The solution? Make the grass so sweet that the deer are more tempted too come where we hunt.. Most of the pirates ive worked with are not too bright.. The few exceptional ones I have encountered realize this situation and react properly too it.. Stop whining because CCP will not force players into low sec.. lets face it if we all took a week or two off the deer would return and hunting would be good. -Sarge
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.11 06:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/10/2007 06:45:13 Originally by: Sweetpain Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them. Well, in a way, yes, but not what you're implying. Yes, all pirates will have an alt (I have two alts and my main on the same account) to be able to actually transport & sell the loot. Otherwise it'd be next to impossible to make profits off the stuff I kill - the low-sec market isn't very hot for selling loot. Also, if I need some T2 stuff, well, I have to buy it in high-sec and ferry it back. What you are implying is that pirates must have alts for making ISK. Which is just LOL - yes, some have them, but it only means they're isk-inefficent. It's funny to get a complaint about alts from an alt, though. To the OP: There's always a good number of people who are trying to be pirates, but there's a high turnover rate there. I guess the number of pirates is only slightly growing.
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.10.11 08:12:00 - [17] To be honest there are quite a lot of pirates about but most are pretty useless. 90% of the good pirate corps have wither closed or moved on to other things. Pirating is the only real profession in eve that has not had a look in and been evolved, things like a black market or an ingame ransom option would maybe temp some old pirates back
Kain De'Stroi Epic.	Posted - 2007.10.11 08:22:00 - [18] seeing as all the old school anti pirate corps left becasue of lack of targets, one could think that we maybe need more pirates?? -------- Boost Amarr and I will conquer the Universe - you been warned
Sweetpain	Posted - 2007.10.11 09:25:00 - [19] Edited by: Sweetpain on 11/10/2007 09:32:04 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/10/2007 06:45:13 Originally by: Sweetpain Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them. Well, in a way, yes, but not what you're implying. Yes, all pirates will have an alt (I have two alts and my main on the same account) to be able to actually transport & sell the loot. Otherwise it'd be next to impossible to make profits off the stuff I kill - the low-sec market isn't very hot for selling loot. Also, if I need some T2 stuff, well, I have to buy it in high-sec and ferry it back. What you are implying is that pirates must have alts for making ISK. Which is just LOL - yes, some have them, but it only means they're isk-inefficent. It's funny to get a complaint about alts from an alt, though. To the OP: There's always a good number of people who are trying to be pirates, but there's a high turnover rate there. I guess the number of pirates is only slightly growing. Hehe, I didn't complaint about alts, I answered a question. And the answer is still no its not to many pirates in eve, as many of the pirates also act as targets when they play other characters therefore it can not be to many pirates. In any case pirates are a predator, and if the predators can't find their favorite prey to hunt they hunt on other types, if all other types of prey is to rare they will turn on themselves and hunt their own kind, thats the life of a predator, its eat or be eaten, its defend your territory or be driven away, they give no mercy and expect none. To many predators in eve, not possible, but its possible for eve to get to few easy prey, but it wont stop the predator from eating. however the weakest of the predators will suffer when the easy prey dissapear, and usually they will howl in the air and share their suffering with the world in anger, frustration and sorrow. (offcourse if they could talk or type they probably find a forum and demnad the easy prey to return so they didn't have to suffer) And im an alt true, but did you base that on the fact im in a npc corp or that im just 2.5 years old :) ?
Lola Fang	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:18:00 - [20] Originally by: codex09 IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting. Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc. If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style. Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me. Big pirates eat smaller pirates, pirates don't go hungry.
BLACK D0G Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:56:00 - [21] The Eve-online elitist bull**** is strong in this one. I thought for a second id wandered into the circle-jerk of official looking-down-the-nose-at-people that is COAD. To answer the OP, how many is too many? 10? 1000? 1000000? see there isnt really a number you can put on it and as far as im concerned if you call yourself a pirate, your a pirate.
Ogodei Ra	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:18:00 - [22] There needs to be a lot more than just L4 agents in low sec to get people to go out there. I think a big part of the problem is that you cant do missions very well with a pvp fitted ship. If I want to do missions in low sec, im fitted for missions and lose to anyone with a pvp fitting. If I fit for pvp, I cant do missions. Its a lose/lose situation, and a lot of people see it that way. So the only time I go in low sec is when im bored and looking for some pvp and I have a pvp fit on the ship. If I could run missions with a pvp fitted ship I would be in low sec doing missions a lot more because it would be fun everytime someone attacked me since I could actually fight back.
Kailiao The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!! Now I gotta buy a new vaga
Kailiao The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!! Now I gotta buy a new vaga This is the way this game should be played, he lost his ship who gives a crap, ships are made to be killed, at least he had the balls to engage, and who knows what would have happend. The more piolets who realize this, and have fun, the more pvp'ing there will be in low-sec.
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.10.11 22:30:00 - [25] This answers the question Need I say more? The waters are getting crowded! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The A in Amarr seems to stands for Adapt...
Frayen Gallente Band of the Damned	Posted - 2007.10.11 22:50:00 - [26] I would like to think that most will weed themselves out over time.
joshmorris Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:18:00 - [27] Whats wrong with more pirates ? Maybe grow some balls and kill the other pirates. Only prob ive had is not finding enough targets, gimmi some people who are fit for pvp out roaming for a good match i would love =) Man please change the arty sound from the pathetic but classic pew to something more like "chung chunk" I want meaty arty.
CountDrakula Damned Legion	Posted - 2007.10.12 07:50:00 - [28] You have 2 types of people in low sec out hunting. 1 - true pirates, like veto, Diewh, Assains Syndicate, And many more , that priate as a way of making a living. We ransom, steal loot and otherwise benefit from other peoples stupidty/hard work 2 - Low sec wanabies, your average person wants to roam low sec gank a few things fill there killboard and go home. They don;t want to get sec hits, don;t like being cut off from jita and most of all smack like hell. In truth there's not enough low secs, to fill the low sec population. Thats why 90% of carebears no longer og there, cause low sec is over corwded. But what really killed piracy was the massive devaulation of t2 loot. No longer does killing a t2 fitted ship bring u 20m profit, it brings u 4m. Which is absolute cr*p and i might as well not have bothered.
CountDrakula Damned Legion	Posted - 2007.10.12 07:54:00 - [29] Nice example, i take my nighthawk out costing in at about 200m including t2 fitings. I go out and i kill some t2 fitted ships average profit off a ship is as low as 1m - 4m so lets say 2m profit from a ship. Now im riskign a 200m ship knowing that in order to break even i need to kill 100-200 other people. Thats bad bussiness sense, my only hope is to ransom some cash of people, but given that 90% of people no longer want to pay ransoms that leaves me with no alternative but to forget pirating and go do something else.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:50:00 - [30] Originally by: CountDrakula Nice example, i take my nighthawk out costing in at about 200m including t2 fitings. I go out and i kill some t2 fitted ships average profit off a ship is as low as 1m - 4m so lets say 2m profit from a ship. Now im riskign a 200m ship knowing that in order to break even i need to kill 100-200 other people. Thats bad bussiness sense, my only hope is to ransom some cash of people, but given that 90% of people no longer want to pay ransoms that leaves me with no alternative but to forget pirating and go do something else. If your getting an average of 2 mil per ship kill, you my friend must have the crappiest luck in the EvE world "you did say T2 fittings". I suggest picking juicier targets, i seem to get more then that on average. recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc

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