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codex09
Minmatar
Cold-Fury
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:40:00 -
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IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting.
Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc.
If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style.
Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me.
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Shiodome
Caldari
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shiodome on 11/10/2007 00:48:17
for me...no. i'm not a pirate myself, but in my experience whenever i go more than 2 jumps from the entrances into low sec, then there's virtually no pirates around. there may be an over-abundance of lazy muppets that sit in the same system 24/7 but for me there's a shortage of 'real pirates' those that hunt, that ransom, that will chase prey, not give up if they leave the system.
in a year now i've only been ransomed once, and only felt the 'thrill' of being prey a handful of times. as one of your victims i demand more encounters betwixt you and i, it's always fun and sure beats the crap out of gatecamps, which i have no respect for and are laughably easy to avoid in low sec.
so... i reckon there's a shortage of decent pirates, and an overabunance of lazy muppets not worth the title of 'pirate', and i kinda ignore the second category.
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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Tedan Tippedai
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:52:00 -
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Personally, I don't think the number of pirates is the issue. It only seems like there's too many because of the lack of low-sec population in general. Compared to the number of miners, mission runners, and 0.0 PvPers, there's really not THAT many pirates. It's just that you rarely find anything else in low-sec. Though I will agree there's possibly too many pirates to be properly sustained by the rest of the low-sec population, that's not a huge issue, as there's always those that raid 0.0, as well as doing other activities besides pure piracy for an income.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:54:00 -
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btw just wondering are you smoking *****? eve is probly less in pirates then it has ever been. My old corp member and friend tiller has left and alot of pirates have left eve.
Eve is 99.99% antipirate 0.0 people and carebear 10month old mission running raven pilots in the NPC corp. There are only a few original pirate corps left like the Factory, Pak, Gift etc. (Gift is a person not a corp :P)
Although i am very disappointed Gift because his employment history has many a corps in there :p j/k budd. But as for the factory where one corp where 99% of the members have only the factory in there employment.
i am not sure if my good pal skywalker even plays eve anymore either i doubt it cause i ant seen em flying around bleak lands forever.
All the mmorpgs out now are horrible games, and eve happens to be the best of the worst and when a decent game comes out which wont be soon (i blame liberalism who takes care of the carebears and crybabys who cannot stand games where other people can loot your items, that natural selection would normally get rid of for the rest of us)
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 11/10/2007 00:58:33
As pirates we have to adapt which a nice remote shield rep and a assult frig can catch anything on entry woot. However we roam all the time and its boring as hell nowadays thats why pirates have quit eve.
There is nothing to kill system after system. Nothing but Botting haulers hundreds and hundreds of botting haulers with stupid loot like 5K units of mission containers and a 5K m3 of *group of homeless people* ug.
CCP needs to make more lv 4 agents in low sec or something cause Freaking HeII its boring to roam most the time, and there ant a dang thing in the belts anymore. At least with 15km warping you had a chance to catch BS's when they warped to the station.
 Originally by: Mr Bodacious
translated for the general public: The amount of pirate poo juice in our pants... is unfathomable by normal means
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Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
btw just wondering are you smoking *****? eve is probly less in pirates then it has ever been. My old corp member and friend tiller has left and alot of pirates have left eve.
Eve is 99.99% antipirate 0.0 people and carebear 10month old mission running raven pilots in the NPC corp. There are only a few original pirate corps left like the Factory, Pak, Gift etc. (Gift is a person not a corp :P)
Although i am very disappointed Gift because his employment history has many a corps in there :p j/k budd. But as for the factory where one corp where 99% of the members have only the factory in there employment.
i am not sure if my good pal skywalker even plays eve anymore either i doubt it cause i ant seen em flying around bleak lands forever.
All the mmorpgs out now are horrible games, and eve happens to be the best of the worst and when a decent game comes out which wont be soon (i blame liberalism who takes care of the carebears and crybabys who cannot stand games where other people can loot your items, that natural selection would normally get rid of for the rest of us)
translated for the general public: The amount of pirate poo juice in our pants... is unfathomable by normal means.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:20:00 -
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Most pirates would say that there are not enough targets in low sec, so you might be right .
But then you look at the number of pilots that never leave high sec and just go round and round grinding missions. There are far more high sec dwellers than there are pirates.
Pirates also kill other pirates, they just don't care what they shoot at..it's all pew pew. Some would call me a piwat, but we just jumped a piwat camp and shooty shooty with them. Was fun Le Skunk and friends 
When you are killed in a belt for the first time, you probably think ..omg, why did this guy hunt me down. Truth is..he sat there waiting for a long time. You were just in wrong place at wrong time.
Bottom line is, whatever your label..pirate or anti pirate, we need more of you. This game is about shooting things, and being blown up.
If you don't want to ever find yourself in combat, then stay in an npc corp, never go to low sec, and whine on forums about suicide ganking 
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codex09
Minmatar
Cold-Fury
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:33:00 -
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People please remember I am not creating a get rid of the pirates thread, I was just asking a question that was aimed at helping people that might be considering becoming pirates.
as I said in my original thread I think real pirates serve a good purpose in the game and I don't think EVE would be anywhere near s good to play if there was no pirates.
thank you all for your replies so far. It is good to hear from people that are in the trade to get how they feel about the situation.
Don't let your FEARS Dictate where u go or what u do, use them to your advantage!
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:19:00 -
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In losec you have:
-Pirates
Then you have:
-Wannabe pirates (buckets of these...Darwin sorts 'em  )
-0.0 alliance alts/mains running around either "regrouping and yarring" (again...see Darwin) or just looking for a blob-free fight.
-Random corps that bait from hisec....and run for the safety of Jita 
The list goes on.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:46:00 -
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I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!!
Now I gotta buy a new vaga 
Originally by: Liz Kali
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: codex09
IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting.
Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc.
If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style.
Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me.
Eve- can never have to many pirates!
Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them.
And for the fact that most pirates are just one of several accounts the same player is controlling.
So eve can never get to many pirates.
And im ot talking about the few people that have only one character that is a pirate, or the even fewer people that have several accounts where all characters on them are pirates.
just count the number of replies that feel the need to defend their possition after this
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PCaBoo
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:29:00 -
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I think "Pirates" are not in over-abundance. Pirating usually requires ransoming, or some other means of profit. Most of the people you see in low-sec are people who play to blow **** up. They don't care about profits or the mythical e-honor. They just want to roam around and gank the hell out of anything that can be blown up. They continue playing by GTC's (or the other, evil method).
I think the game is evolving into something else...and pvp is looking for a new arena.
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Sanguine Raiders
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 11/10/2007 03:47:22
No, we are not.
Real pirates are few and far between.
There are, however, a lot of players who sit in the same system all day looking for nubs to prey on and then dock as soon as a real challenge comes along, and there are quite a few "PvP'ers" who refuse to go outlaw, and don't attack indiscriminantly and without hesitation.
So I would say we pirates, we ransom-men, we nomads of the sword, are a very rare breed indeed.
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:05:00 -
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There may be lots of griefors in well traveled systems.. but you don't hear about pirates like you used to..
meh..
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SgtDeaux
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Posted - 2007.10.11 04:39:00 -
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You people are making this far too complicated... The government actually has an equation for this type of thing.. And if the United States government can figure something out.. Than its probably on the IQ level of a ******** monkey.
Simply use the equations used by parks and wildlife rangers too determine when hunting season will be and, what the kill limit will be.
We are currently in a situation where the deer are not grazing in the areas we hunt.. Moreover the deer have discovered a wildlife refuge and are all hiding in there..
The solution? Make the grass so sweet that the deer are more tempted too come where we hunt..
Most of the pirates ive worked with are not too bright.. The few exceptional ones I have encountered realize this situation and react properly too it.. Stop whining because CCP will not force players into low sec.. lets face it if we all took a week or two off the deer would return and hunting would be good.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.10.11 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/10/2007 06:45:13
Originally by: Sweetpain
Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them.
Well, in a way, yes, but not what you're implying.
Yes, all pirates will have an alt (I have two alts and my main on the same account) to be able to actually transport & sell the loot. Otherwise it'd be next to impossible to make profits off the stuff I kill - the low-sec market isn't very hot for selling loot. Also, if I need some T2 stuff, well, I have to buy it in high-sec and ferry it back.
What you are implying is that pirates must have alts for making ISK. Which is just LOL - yes, some have them, but it only means they're isk-inefficent.
It's funny to get a complaint about alts from an alt, though.
To the OP:
There's always a good number of people who are trying to be pirates, but there's a high turnover rate there. I guess the number of pirates is only slightly growing.
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Kaleeb
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:12:00 -
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To be honest there are quite a lot of pirates about but most are pretty useless. 90% of the good pirate corps have wither closed or moved on to other things. Pirating is the only real profession in eve that has not had a look in and been evolved, things like a black market or an ingame ransom option would maybe temp some old pirates back
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Kain De'Stroi
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:22:00 -
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seeing as all the old school anti pirate corps left becasue of lack of targets, one could think that we maybe need more pirates??
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Posted - 2007.10.11 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sweetpain on 11/10/2007 09:32:04
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/10/2007 06:45:13
Originally by: Sweetpain
Just for the solid facts that, for every pirate in eve there is 1-2 carebear alts doing their non pirate activities for them.
Well, in a way, yes, but not what you're implying.
Yes, all pirates will have an alt (I have two alts and my main on the same account) to be able to actually transport & sell the loot. Otherwise it'd be next to impossible to make profits off the stuff I kill - the low-sec market isn't very hot for selling loot. Also, if I need some T2 stuff, well, I have to buy it in high-sec and ferry it back.
What you are implying is that pirates must have alts for making ISK. Which is just LOL - yes, some have them, but it only means they're isk-inefficent.
It's funny to get a complaint about alts from an alt, though.
To the OP:
There's always a good number of people who are trying to be pirates, but there's a high turnover rate there. I guess the number of pirates is only slightly growing.
Hehe, I didn't complaint about alts, I answered a question.
And the answer is still no its not to many pirates in eve, as many of the pirates also act as targets when they play other characters therefore it can not be to many pirates. In any case pirates are a predator, and if the predators can't find their favorite prey to hunt they hunt on other types, if all other types of prey is to rare they will turn on themselves and hunt their own kind, thats the life of a predator, its eat or be eaten, its defend your territory or be driven away, they give no mercy and expect none.
To many predators in eve, not possible, but its possible for eve to get to few easy prey, but it wont stop the predator from eating.
however the weakest of the predators will suffer when the easy prey dissapear, and usually they will howl in the air and share their suffering with the world in anger, frustration and sorrow.
(offcourse if they could talk or type they probably find a forum and demnad the easy prey to return so they didn't have to suffer)
And im an alt true, but did you base that on the fact im in a npc corp or that im just 2.5 years old :) ?
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Lola Fang
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: codex09
IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM? I am not asking this to try and have a go at anyone because I truly think that pirates help make the game more exciting.
Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc.
If the numbers get too high the only real thing that will or could happen is that the pirates start finding it costing more than what it is worth to continue to play in this type of style.
Anyway just thought I would ask to see if it is just me or if other people have noticed the same thing as me.
Big pirates eat smaller pirates, pirates don't go hungry.
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BLACK D0G
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:56:00 -
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The Eve-online elitist bull**** is strong in this one.
I thought for a second id wandered into the circle-jerk of official looking-down-the-nose-at-people that is COAD.
To answer the OP, how many is too many?
10?
1000?
1000000?
see there isnt really a number you can put on it and as far as im concerned if you call yourself a pirate, your a pirate. 
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Ogodei Ra
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Posted - 2007.10.11 15:18:00 -
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There needs to be a lot more than just L4 agents in low sec to get people to go out there. I think a big part of the problem is that you cant do missions very well with a pvp fitted ship.
If I want to do missions in low sec, im fitted for missions and lose to anyone with a pvp fitting.
If I fit for pvp, I cant do missions.
Its a lose/lose situation, and a lot of people see it that way. So the only time I go in low sec is when im bored and looking for some pvp and I have a pvp fit on the ship.
If I could run missions with a pvp fitted ship I would be in low sec doing missions a lot more because it would be fun everytime someone attacked me since I could actually fight back.
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Kailiao
The Malevolent
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!!
Now I gotta buy a new vaga
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Kailiao
The Malevolent
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I would like to nominate myself for an Eve Online Darwin Award... last night while strung out on ambien (prescription sleep meds for the chronic insomniac... and damn do they work) I was stumbling from belt to belt in my vaga looking for something... still don't know what, when all of a sudden a megathron and a tempest warp into my belt. Now under normal circumstances this would be followed by a little squeal and me lighting up my MWD and getting the hell out of dodge... I lit up my MWD alright... and blatently charged at em screaming YARRRRRRRRRR!!!
Now I gotta buy a new vaga
This is the way this game should be played, he lost his ship who gives a crap, ships are made to be killed, at least he had the balls to engage, and who knows what would have happend.
The more piolets who realize this, and have fun, the more pvp'ing there will be in low-sec.
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:30:00 -
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This answers the question
Need I say more? The waters are getting crowded!
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Frayen
Gallente
Band of the Damned
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:50:00 -
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I would like to think that most will weed themselves out over time.
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joshmorris
Ravenous Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:18:00 -
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Whats wrong with more pirates ?
Maybe grow some balls and kill the other pirates.
Only prob ive had is not finding enough targets, gimmi some people who are fit for pvp out roaming for a good match i would love =)
Man please change the arty sound from the pathetic but classic pew to something more like "chung chunk"
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CountDrakula
Damned Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:50:00 -
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You have 2 types of people in low sec out hunting.
1 - true pirates, like veto, Diewh, Assains Syndicate, And many more , that priate as a way of making a living. We ransom, steal loot and otherwise benefit from other peoples stupidty/hard work
2 - Low sec wanabies, your average person wants to roam low sec gank a few things fill there killboard and go home. They don;t want to get sec hits, don;t like being cut off from jita and most of all smack like hell.
In truth there's not enough low secs, to fill the low sec population. Thats why 90% of carebears no longer og there, cause low sec is over corwded. But what really killed piracy was the massive devaulation of t2 loot. No longer does killing a t2 fitted ship bring u 20m profit, it brings u 4m. Which is absolute cr*p and i might as well not have bothered.
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CountDrakula
Damned Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:54:00 -
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Nice example,
i take my nighthawk out costing in at about 200m including t2 fitings. I go out and i kill some t2 fitted ships average profit off a ship is as low as 1m - 4m so lets say 2m profit from a ship.
Now im riskign a 200m ship knowing that in order to break even i need to kill 100-200 other people. Thats bad bussiness sense, my only hope is to ransom some cash of people, but given that 90% of people no longer want to pay ransoms that leaves me with no alternative but to forget pirating and go do something else.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: CountDrakula
Nice example,
i take my nighthawk out costing in at about 200m including t2 fitings. I go out and i kill some t2 fitted ships average profit off a ship is as low as 1m - 4m so lets say 2m profit from a ship.
Now im riskign a 200m ship knowing that in order to break even i need to kill 100-200 other people. Thats bad bussiness sense, my only hope is to ransom some cash of people, but given that 90% of people no longer want to pay ransoms that leaves me with no alternative but to forget pirating and go do something else.
If your getting an average of 2 mil per ship kill, you my friend must have
the crappiest luck in the EvE world "you did say T2 fittings".
I suggest picking juicier targets, i seem to get more then that on
average.
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Skywalker
Minmatar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skywalker on 12/10/2007 11:12:11
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 11/10/2007 01:03:02
btw just wondering are you smoking *****? eve is probly less in pirates then it has ever been. My old corp member and friend tiller has left and alot of pirates have left eve.
Eve is 99.99% antipirate 0.0 people and carebear 10month old mission running raven pilots in the NPC corp. There are only a few original pirate corps left like the Factory, Pak, Gift etc. (Gift is a person not a corp :P)
Although i am very disappointed Gift because his employment history has many a corps in there :p j/k budd. But as for the factory where one corp where 99% of the members have only the factory in there employment.
i am not sure if my good pal skywalker even plays eve anymore either i doubt it cause i ant seen em flying around bleak lands forever.
I am alive and have been playing solo since Mafia disbanded...
Now we are starting up again really soon.
Alot of the old members are back, including all directors.
Our status as Outlaws has been removed and we are now almost ready for High Sec, Low Sec and 0.0.
Using spies, war declarations and other "dirty" methods we will strike against those that refuse to signup for "protection".
We also will do merc jobs and infiltration-on-demand.
This new playstyle is a big change for us, alot of us got tired of low sec pirating.
Personally my motivation sunk alot with the WTZ nerf and various other game mechanic changes like the HP increase that made pirates adapt using bigger blobs to be able to blow up a target.
Gone are the days where you could Bs-vs-Bs solo with gates on your arse. With the pirate blobs these days, i can understand that alot of people avoid low sec.
Now almost 1 year later, the motivation is back, but another direction in gameplay was needed.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:10:00 -
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I don't put roaming pirates and gatecampers in the same catagory. I don't have anything against gate camping, but it just seems that one wants a good fight, the other wants phat lewt.
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Yes, all pirates will have an alt
Excuse me ? I don't
While I try to stick to the original pirate style and refuse anything that waters it down , let's not be too elitist about it. Everyone started as a newbie pirate , some with high SP. But before you call a gate camper in a command ship "wannabe" , consider the possibility that he has been pirating for the last 3 years and is tired of sending a ransom convo for the Nth time , only to receive unoriginal insults.
I think we need more high quality highsec pirates (as the privateers were) and suicide gankers to push more people to lowsec. I think a good third of the +sec population of lowsec is made of pirate alts...
Originally by: F'nog
One does not simply log into Jita.
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Franconis
Gallente
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:36:00 -
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Imo, piracy in general has been hit with the nerf bat (wether intended or not) for the past year or so. Warp to zero made it much harder to catch a target on the run. The HP buff gave players more time to deagress and dock, or call in friends to help. The drop in T2 prices reduced alot of the financial incentive of being a pirate. Piracy is certainly still possible, but only the very effective and very lucky pirates actually make a profit.
Faction ammo is becoming more and more common now, and even players that are a day or two old have the ability to fit at least some T2 gear. This makes newbies much more likely to drop something worth more than the Barrage M I throw at them. It helps, but not to any great extent. I'm expecting more traffic to come to lowsec with the release of faction warfare, but that doesn't seem like it's happening any time soon. I'd also like to see missions not giving any protection against probing, but somehow I doubt that will happen.
Anything that makes every player more vulnerable in lowsec is something that increases the allure of piracy. For instance, I'd like to see a minimum cap requirement for initiating warp, even if it's say 10%. I find it absurd that you can warp to what is effectively a safespot when you have little or no capacitor. It would go along with ccp's whole idea about 'committing to a fight' too. There are other things that can be done, and they generally wont be popular with most of the eve community because they would have to make everyone more vulnerable.
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Xtown
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:29:00 -
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I spent around a year in lowsec Metrolopolis with my former corp and I thought over time the balance between pirates and non-pirates was pretty even. Quite often we'd roam far and wide looking for pirates to tussle with and find none, sometimes we'd find a good fight and at other times we'd be hopelessly outnumbered.
If there is a disparity in population it's solely caused by the lack of glittering rewards in lowsec. Personally I think the attraction of an organised residence in lowsec is the opportunity for small-scale and skirmish pvp but it's certainly true to say that unless you want a fight there really isn't anything to do that you can't do more easily elsewhere.
But I digress. The answer to the question posed by the OP isn't that there are more pirates, it's just that in certain places there's an uneven distribution. CCP could easily encourage greater population of lowsec if they wanted to and there have been many interesting threads covering the subject. Personally I think they could cause a mad rush there if they did simple things such as introducing a variant of ore that gives double the normal yield and is available in lowsec only, and populate the belts with the lowest type of battleship spawn.
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Shawbaly
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
I don't put roaming pirates and gatecampers in the same catagory. I don't have anything against gate camping, but it just seems that one wants a good fight, the other wants phat lewt.
It is what you do that define you.
people that live by ransom and loot from chosen victims that in general are weaker then them are pirates. A pirate will not risk profitt for a challenge.
Pvp'er is someone that seek the challenge at any cost, usually they have a secondary income to support their lifestyle. (that life style can also be pirating, but there is a time for everything)
gate-camper, well they are gatecampers, period. They usually are to weak or to uninventive to find their targets other ways, they prefer a quick kill at minimum resistance either to boost their ego in form of kill mails or the feeling of superiority.
Eve have room for everything, gate camping might be a valid tactic to run a blockade in times of war, to prevent the enemy from entering their territory. It's only when people gang up to camp a gate and to kill anything that moves there it get a bad name.
Basically eve can be divided in to three camps, secure space where the wheels of eve is feeded the most, that's where people learn the game and contribute to the player driven game that new people and the ones living there neeed.
Then you have 0.0 where the players are the rulers of space, where people fight wars over territory where people form their own diplomacy their own rules and enforce it themselves.
Then we have the middle ground, for the people that don't quite fit any bills, they feel to good for the empire game, but to weak for the 0.0 game. usually people that have found a place in space where they can shine in the game and be special, sometime they will eventually move to 0.0 as well as their next step, but sometimes they remain in the void between the two terrified to lose their glow if they move.
Usually its the people that never evolve in eve and feel stuck in the middleground that provide us with the most complaints about the low activity in their areas of playing, and they refuse to see the facts that most people just move directly from empire to 0.0 when they feel its time to take the game to the next level.
They feel surpased and rightly so and that makes them angry enough to invent new ways to take their low security game in to empire space, cause it no way they will move the other way and lose their glow and fame.
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Shawbaly
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xtown
I spent around a year in lowsec Metrolopolis with my former corp and I thought over time the balance between pirates and non-pirates was pretty even. Quite often we'd roam far and wide looking for pirates to tussle with and find none, sometimes we'd find a good fight and at other times we'd be hopelessly outnumbered.
If there is a disparity in population it's solely caused by the lack of glittering rewards in lowsec. Personally I think the attraction of an organised residence in lowsec is the opportunity for small-scale and skirmish pvp but it's certainly true to say that unless you want a fight there really isn't anything to do that you can't do more easily elsewhere.
But I digress. The answer to the question posed by the OP isn't that there are more pirates, it's just that in certain places there's an uneven distribution. CCP could easily encourage greater population of lowsec if they wanted to and there have been many interesting threads covering the subject. Personally I think they could cause a mad rush there if they did simple things such as introducing a variant of ore that gives double the normal yield and is available in lowsec only, and populate the belts with the lowest type of battleship spawn.
You have to ask yourself this question and have a valid answer first.
Why should low security be more pro*****ble then 0.0? cause thats the only way to populate low security space.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shawbaly
You have to ask yourself this question and have a valid answer first.
Why should low security be more pro*****ble then 0.0? cause thats the only way to populate low security space.
I could answer this for you - especially considering Xtown is actually part of BRUCE who do very well out in 0.0
CCP iirc, have acknowledged publicly that lowsec has been in need of work for a long time, as has a long look at piracy and the ramifications around it. They've recently improved instances in lowsec as the beginnings of improving the whole of lowsec. I managed to get a shadow serp medium armor rep while forum-whoring a week or so back.
Lowsec is improving. The instances can be found but the ones improved so far require the pilots searching to actually be mindful of where to look and how to look. What Xtown is suggesting is that a lot of people just can't be bothered looking for them and improving the belts a bit will lure those who are too lazy to look or go to 0.0, and possibly those who might try belt ratting in lowsec.
Not only will it improve the opportunities to pirates, but it may encourage more people to setup economies and populations in lowsec.
One other point to make: Despite what you think, lowsec life isn't for the middle ground. To survive in lowsec, you need your wits about you, especially if you're of the pirating or outlaw groups. Unlike 0.0, there are no large groups of people policing space to protect you. There's very little economy out here at all. And to top it off, there's so little space actually available as lowsec, with large tracts cut off from main routes because of the odd 1 or 2 0.5 systems (I point out lower Aridia and Khanid, not to mention Creilere area iirc.
In conclusion...
The number of pirates out here is proportional to the area we have to operate and potential targets. The number of targets is probably directly proportional to the area and rewards found in area. The pirate equation can only be improved if the area is improved (very unlikely) or the potential targets improve. The latter can be improved at least by offering better opportunites to bring people into lowsec. CCP at least have started this, but there's still a lot more work to be done.
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:25:00 -
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Highsec is generally too profitable... grinding L4s for LP and BS rat bounties in a NPC corp raven is pretty much risk free. That's the equivalent of instancing arkonor roid belts in highsec.
Of course CCP doesn't want to raise hell by moving L4s to lowsec. Hence the L5s with pre-nerfed rewards... make them worthwhile dammit , we need more carrier kills 
Oh , and what about the broken , overfarmed COSMOS... how hard would it be to make those systems 0.4 ? Farmers would never risk their mission running ships with pirates in system.
Originally by: F'nog
One does not simply log into Jita.
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Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: codex09
IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM?
It's rather the number of complete asshats that is constantly rising. There can't be enough pirates. But there's already far too many people doing nothing but the lame griefing crap.
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Shawbaly
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Posted - 2007.10.12 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Shawbaly
You have to ask yourself this question and have a valid answer first.
Why should low security be more pro*****ble then 0.0? cause thats the only way to populate low security space.
I could answer this for you - especially considering Xtown is actually part of BRUCE who do very well out in 0.0
CCP iirc, have acknowledged publicly that lowsec has been in need of work for a long time, as has a long look at piracy and the ramifications around it. They've recently improved instances in lowsec as the beginnings of improving the whole of lowsec. I managed to get a shadow serp medium armor rep while forum-whoring a week or so back.
Lowsec is improving. The instances can be found but the ones improved so far require the pilots searching to actually be mindful of where to look and how to look. What Xtown is suggesting is that a lot of people just can't be bothered looking for them and improving the belts a bit will lure those who are too lazy to look or go to 0.0, and possibly those who might try belt ratting in lowsec.
Not only will it improve the opportunities to pirates, but it may encourage more people to setup economies and populations in lowsec.
One other point to make: Despite what you think, lowsec life isn't for the middle ground. To survive in lowsec, you need your wits about you, especially if you're of the pirating or outlaw groups. Unlike 0.0, there are no large groups of people policing space to protect you. There's very little economy out here at all. And to top it off, there's so little space actually available as lowsec, with large tracts cut off from main routes because of the odd 1 or 2 0.5 systems (I point out lower Aridia and Khanid, not to mention Creilere area iirc.
In conclusion...
The number of pirates out here is proportional to the area we have to operate and potential targets. The number of targets is probably directly proportional to the area and rewards found in area. The pirate equation can only be improved if the area is improved (very unlikely) or the potential targets improve. The latter can be improved at least by offering better opportunites to bring people into lowsec. CCP at least have started this, but there's still a lot more work to be done.
you trying to convice me low sec is harder then 0.0?
It's allways the same, low se demand things taken from empire and moved to low sec, why not the other way around?
It's not me that you need to convince, for me empire space and 0.0 have everything i need. I don't need low sec.
By giving low sector systems unique asset, would move just as many people from 0.0 to low sec as it would move people from empire to it, probably more since 0.0 people are not unfamiliar with danger.
Giving low security systems unique assets, sure why not. But im afraid it will not move more people from empire space to low, but it would surely move more people from 0.0 back there to secure those systems for their own benefit.
But then again, that would ensure low security pirates what they are demanding, more people and a lot more challenge.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.12 23:04:00 -
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Most people in low-sec these days are pirates. I myself gave up pirating due to fact pirates themselves are 100x easier to find than their Targets, so just fight them instead.
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William DeMeo
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.13 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kain De'Stroi
seeing as all the old school anti pirate corps left becasue of lack of targets, one could think that we maybe need more pirates??
New players will fill the gap. And most of the old school pirates come back to EVE  . They just can't help it.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 03:10:00 -
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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun. - Ash "Army of Darkness"
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ForeverBlue
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Posted - 2007.10.13 04:58:00 -
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The Law is in town.
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.13 05:24:00 -
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Honest answer?
Yes.
-Karlemgne
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ForeverBlue
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Posted - 2007.10.15 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: ForeverBlue on 15/10/2007 04:22:34
Honest answer?
No.
-The Law
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Lauren Sheaperd
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Posted - 2007.10.15 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: codex09
IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM?
Just like RL, crime is big and if you think otherwise, you have been brainwashed.
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Sweetpain
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.15 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lauren Sheaperd
Originally by: codex09
IS it just me or does anyone else think that there are too many people becoming pirates ATM?
Just like RL, crime is big and if you think otherwise, you have been brainwashed.
Just like the prisons are filled with people thaht give answers like that, securely locked away from the brainwashing tv.
guess im just one of the brainwashed people that think real life crime is stupid.
And the answer is still no, eve don't have to many pirates, but they might have to many that think they are.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.15 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker
Now we are starting up again really soon.
Alot of the old members are back, including all directors.
Now almost 1 year later, the motivation is back, but another direction in gameplay was needed.
Welcome back.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 07:45:00 -
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Thats it to many pirates im going carebear.
recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
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Poison Evy
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Posted - 2007.10.15 11:50:00 -
[52]
Since all Pirates are concentrated in some areas in Lowsec, what would happen if you let us, the lowsec people go into highsec without getting our ships blown by concord cause of our standings. What would happen really ? it's not like we can camp anything anyway. I guess there would be major fleet of Smartbombers at gates ofcourse, but if you make it impossible to use it at gates in highsec then ?
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 16:14:00 -
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there aren't many pirates in eve, because it's just not really economically viable enough. however, there are rampant numbers of mass murderers and adrenaline junkies that get kicks from shooting anything they see. the two are often conflated.
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Stephannus Calimben
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Posted - 2007.10.16 07:56:00 -
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Quote:
pi+rate /ˈpaɪrət/
1.a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
2.any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates.
Where in there does it say anything about ******* honour in the definition of a pirate? If you prey on innocents, and profit off of ransoms/loot/protection schemes/ whatever then you are a pirate. You don't have to jump around system-to-system ransoming two week old thorax-miners to be a "real pirate." Gatecamping requires a different set of skills to do effectively than roaming, and most gatecampers roam as well.
Problem is nobody is in belts anymore. The rats in low-sec need a boost to maybe 70-80% of what they are in 0.0, then maybe people will come out here. I'm sure that would even out the risk-rewards
solo-rat in low-sec, but worry about pirates with 80%
vs
join a corporation and all the responsibilities that comes with that, and rat in safer policed space with 100% rewards
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:07:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Masu''di on 16/10/2007 11:11:02
Originally by: Stephannus Calimben
Quote:
pi+rate /ˈpaɪrət/
1.a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
2.any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates.
Where in there does it say anything about ******* honour in the definition of a pirate? If you prey on innocents, and profit off of ransoms/loot/protection schemes/ whatever then you are a pirate. You don't have to jump around system-to-system ransoming two week old thorax-miners to be a "real pirate." Gatecamping requires a different set of skills to do effectively than roaming, and most gatecampers roam as well.
Problem is nobody is in belts anymore. The rats in low-sec need a boost to maybe 70-80% of what they are in 0.0, then maybe people will come out here. I'm sure that would even out the risk-rewards
solo-rat in low-sec, but worry about pirates with 80%
vs
join a corporation and all the responsibilities that comes with that, and rat in safer policed space with 100% rewards
don't get me wrong, i don't think there is anything wrong with being a mass-murderer etc in eve, i'm just stating what there is.
while pirates of old, may have commited various acts of violence, i don't think they would have been in the business, if they would have earned far less than as a fisherman, farmer, or factory worker.
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
MKS Directorate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: CountDrakula
You have 2 types of people in low sec out hunting.
1 - true pirates, like veto, Diewh, Assains Syndicate, And many more , that priate as a way of making a living. We ransom, steal loot and otherwise benefit from other peoples stupidty/hard work
2 - Low sec wanabies, your average person wants to roam low sec gank a few things fill there killboard and go home. They don;t want to get sec hits, don;t like being cut off from jita and most of all smack like hell.
In truth there's not enough low secs, to fill the low sec population. Thats why 90% of carebears no longer og there, cause low sec is over corwded. But what really killed piracy was the massive devaulation of t2 loot. No longer does killing a t2 fitted ship bring u 20m profit, it brings u 4m. Which is absolute cr*p and i might as well not have bothered.
As an anti-pirate I would have to say I fit the 3rd category. Willing to take the sec hit. Willing to take on an reletively even fight where I might not win. Not gonna go randomly shooting people. (yes randomly shooting peaple is an over-gerneralization).
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.10.16 17:57:00 -
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no
Click me and get isk
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hyhn
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:20:00 -
[58]
There is English and bad English, then there is this gem...
"Is there to many pirates ingame now?"
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Avaricia on 18/10/2007 00:04:12
Originally by: codex09
Why I am asking this though is because you really don't have to look very hard to see that the number of pirates in most if not all lowsec systems is much higher than the number of other players whether they are carebears, pirate hunters etc etc.
think about it, pirates make money killing people, logically they go where there are people. the non-piratey people notice this trned of pirate-heavy areas, and stray away. except for the stupid ones, who die while the pirates profit.
it's quite simple really; there are targets over there, so pirates go over there, the targets get exploded and don't come back, and eventually pirates in that area outnumber carebears.
go somewhere the pirates don't expect you to be and *gasp* they probably won't be there.
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Razen21
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:44:00 -
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i wish there were not so many gate camps but roving gangs instead.
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