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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 11/10/2007 17:35:26
Edited by: Tarminic on 11/10/2007 17:33:34
We've all heard people talk about an upcoming nerf/balancing for sensor dampeners, that they would only affect one attribute instead of two (locking time/locking range). "Noooo!" Cry those operating outside their opponents locking range! "Garrgh!" Cry the frigate pilots and the drone users, wishing to keep their ships from being locked in any reasonable time!
But look at this interesting little tidbit of information from a recent article:
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Attribute Reassignment Modifier (ARM) scripts to modify bonus attributes of sensor boosters, dampeners and tracking modules
What does this mean for Sensor Dampeners? That we'll be choosing between reducing the enemy's lock range and increasing their lock time. But how bad is this, you ask? Let me put forth this scenario:
1. You're flying an e-war frigate loaded down with (post-"nerf")dampeners in order to keep larger targets from having a chance to lock you down. Currently they only increase lock time.
2. You engage a larger ship and turn the damps on, and the go to work befuddling your enemy capsuleer's computers.
3.Curses! They've (finally) got a lock, and they're shooting big nasty things at you. But wait, you've got a plan!
4. You switch the mode of your sensor dampeners, changing their effect from lock time to lock range, and casually sail out of danger. You're now outside their lock range and safe.
5. In order to dive back into the action and continue to chip away at your opponents tank, you dive back in, switching from lock range reduction back to lock time reduction. Your enemy can now lock you again, but they'll be dead before their computers ever finish that cup of coffee your dampeners have described to it (in great detail).
TL; DR Summary:
This nerf doesn't seem like much of a nerf at all since you can switch abilities - locking time doesn't matter if you're out of range and sensor range doesn't matter if their locking time is extremely slow. It introduces a bit more thinking in their use (which is fine by me) and allows you to use them basically the same way, with only a minor delay (right click->change effect).
Opinions?
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Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 11/10/2007 17:36:29
Cheese served here on after with your choice of wine.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:38:00 -
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actually I like it, it is still a nerf, you are cutting the operational capacity down to half since it can only do one at a time, but adding tactical options
Originally by: Akita T
No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 11/10/2007 17:36:29
Cheese served here on after with your choice of wine.
I don't follow your newfangled sarcasm.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:38:00 -
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wtb curse 20mil  for most it will involve to much micro managing between NOS/neuts and now damps.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
wtb curse 20mil for most it will involve to much micro managing between NOS/neuts and now damps.
Curse seems like an obvious choice - just orbit outside their sensor range. 3T2 damps put someone at about 20% of their normal locking range, so without at least two sensor boosters they'd be unable to lock and the Curse could just orbit at max NOS/Neutralizer range. Then again I don't have a whole lot of experience flying either so i'm just armchairing it here.
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Kaahles
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:42:00 -
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Let's look how ECM was:
Everyone used it. The one who had none was the one who died. Simple thing.
What happend?
It got nerfed so it's totally useless on ships that don't have any bonuses on ECM
So... really simple what has to happen to sensor dampers. Nerf it to hell so nobody will use it anymore except pilots who fly ships that got bonuses on it. Simple thing. Many people will maybe troll at me for this but hey. This is the only way it works |
Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
wtb curse 20mil for most it will involve to much micro managing between NOS/neuts and now damps.
You'd be prepared to pay 20mil for a post damp/nos nerf curse?!?!?
/me makes note of F900EX's name for future reference.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:58:00 -
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What is a TL;DR?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
What is a TL;DR?
Too Long; Didn't Read
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:14:00 -
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The stats are getting tweaked for the nerf as well from what i understand. Sensor boosters and remote sensor boosters are getting nerfed as well to one or the other mode.
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Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 11/10/2007 17:36:29
Cheese served here on after with your choice of wine.
I don't follow your newfangled sarcasm.
Good move, because it doesn't lead anywhere...
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:34:00 -
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Oh noes, I still have to use a counter module (SB)...buhuhuuuuuuuu 
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stellar Vix
The stats are getting tweaked for the nerf as well from what i understand. Sensor boosters and remote sensor boosters are getting nerfed as well to one or the other mode.
Oh really? This might just be a stealth boost to small-ship warfare since it'll make it harder for battleships to target frigates and such...
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Kolwrath
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.11 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 11/10/2007 17:36:29
Cheese served here on after with your choice of wine.
I don't follow your newfangled sarcasm.
Yeah I dont get what Indigo is trying to get at either. Its like he is trying to be witty with an over used eve meme but I can only assume he dident actually read the post.
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Krazy Bitsch
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:00:00 -
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seriously....stop trying to fkin nerf everything...stop with it already
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
This nerf doesn't seem like much of a nerf at all since you can switch abilities - locking time doesn't matter if you're out of range and sensor range doesn't matter if their locking time is extremely slow. It introduces a bit more thinking in their use (which is fine by me) and allows you to use them basically the same way, with only a minor delay (right click->change effect).
Opinions?
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente
Pheonix Reborn
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:07:00 -
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I like the idea of having to switch the use of moduals dependant on the situation. Makes combat less of a "sit, tank, gank" affair.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
That would be a correct opinion, but I'm more interested in knowing your opinion on how this will affect Gallente Recons (assuming you fly them).
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Krazy Bitsch
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
That would be a correct opinion, but I'm more interested in knowing your opinion on how this will affect Gallente Recons (assuming you fly them).
Any sensor damp nerf would be the equivelant of the nos nerf for amarr recons....get it now? stop reccomending that crap gets nerfed because you cant find the room in ur fitting for a sensor booster or 2. Stop crying about "nerf this" and "nerf that" its horrible.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
That would be a correct opinion, but I'm more interested in knowing your opinion on how this will affect Gallente Recons (assuming you fly them).
Any sensor damp nerf would be the equivelant of the nos nerf for amarr recons....get it now? stop reccomending that crap gets nerfed because you cant find the room in ur fitting for a sensor booster or 2. Stop crying about "nerf this" and "nerf that" its horrible.
1. I wasn't personally endorsing the nerf (I'm an e-war specialist myself), but I thought that with some thinking you could fairly easily overcome the new limitations being imposed, that is all.
2. You still didn't explain exactly how this nerf will affect Gallente recons - what they will and won't be able to do after this change is made, and how this compares with how they'll be used and how they were used.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:33:00 -
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gallente recons have the bonus to scram range, which tells me they operate at range, which tells me they leave the damps on lock range setting, and operate the same as they do today. If the target can control range, then they have to leave sooner. Really no dif to be honest. Except the target can defend himself against the drones since he can lock them in less than 3 minutes
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
That would be a correct opinion, but I'm more interested in knowing your opinion on how this will affect Gallente Recons (assuming you fly them).
Any sensor damp nerf would be the equivelant of the nos nerf for amarr recons....get it now? stop reccomending that crap gets nerfed because you cant find the room in ur fitting for a sensor booster or 2. Stop crying about "nerf this" and "nerf that" its horrible.
worse arguement ever. there are ships that do not have the med slots for your supposed "solution" course, these ships are amarr, have the lowest lock ranges in their classes, and are just supposed to suck and die, right?
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:37:00 -
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Between steps three and four they sic drones on you and eat up your glass tank.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:43:00 -
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I wouldn't assume that the stats are staying exactly the same, nor that it's as simple as switching from one effect to the other any time you like.
PS. Tarminic, please stop nerfing everything.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
I wouldn't assume that the stats are staying exactly the same, nor that it's as simple as switching from one effect to the other any time you like.
The stats probably aren't going to be exactly the same, no (though it would be nice...) but I think that it really will be as simple as switching from one to the other, though perhaps it'll take one activation period for the effect to kick in.
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PS. Tarminic, please stop nerfing everything.
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PCX339
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
What is a TL;DR?
I knew the old Jenny. This makes me sad...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles
Let's look how ECM was:
Everyone used it. The one who had none was the one who died. Simple thing.
What happend?
It got nerfed so it's totally useless on ships that don't have any bonuses on ECM
So... really simple what has to happen to sensor dampers. Nerf it to hell so nobody will use it anymore except pilots who fly ships that got bonuses on it. Simple thing. Many people will maybe troll at me for this but hey. This is the only way it works
how is being able to switch them a nerf? I don't get it...
I'm still going to use them. liek the op said, this actully doesn't change anything just doesn't let you support other ships with it as well unless your long range then.. wait.. yeah this isn't a nerf, it's just well heh it's seems simple to me.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.11 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
My opinion is that you do not fly Gallente Recons much.
That would be a correct opinion, but I'm more interested in knowing your opinion on how this will affect Gallente Recons (assuming you fly them).
Any sensor damp nerf would be the equivelant of the nos nerf for amarr recons....get it now? stop reccomending that crap gets nerfed because you cant find the room in ur fitting for a sensor booster or 2. Stop crying about "nerf this" and "nerf that" its horrible.[/quote
someone didn't watch the alliance tournaments.
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Kelron Queldine
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 20:23:00 -
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I love it when people get upset because they'll have to start flying their ships instead of hitting orbit and activating all the modules
(not aimed at the OP)
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