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Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:03:00 - [1] I used to play EVE a while ago and recently came back after trying a trial. During the trial i played a Caldari pilot and everything went fine. On my old account i have flown all Minmatar ships up to and including a Cyclone. My skills are coming along well, and i generally think i know what i'm doing....most of the time. However, in the past few days since i returned i've managed to lose 3 ships (Cyclone in lvl2 mission, Thrasher in lvl2 mission, Rifter in lvl1 mission) and 20mil ISK. These losses come from the same problem. My guns aren't doing any damage. I've been using small and medium guns (all projectile) with EMP and nuclear ammo, at every range from out of range to 1000m. My guns will do no damage 99% of the time, and on the odd occasion that they do hit they'll do around 10 damage I have no idea what i'm doing wrong. Anyone have any ideas? Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:15:00 - [2] Sorry, but what do you mean by "(optimal + 1 falloff)"? Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:22:00 - [3] I know what optimal and falloff ranges are, but don't get the +1 bit. Hmm, maybe i don't. Am i correct in saying that optimal is the best range to fire at, and falloff is where the weapon does 50% less damage? Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:33:00 - [4] Thanks very much, that explains it very well With autocannons + EMP the optimal was around 1500m as far as i remember. Not easy keeping something that close when they want to stay at around 6k away Seems strange that any weapon has its optimal at that short a range though... Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 20:20:00 - [5] Well i just tried the mission again (same one i've been doing all day) in a Cyclone with 3x 220mm Vulcan autocannon 1 (plus missiles and stuff). The ranges (nuclear M) are: Optimal-2855m, falloff-8000m. I kept the target (Guristii raider (sp?) at about 3000m and all my guns missed most of the time with the occasional shot hitting for around 10 damage Basically, with only two of them left i couldn't hurt them and they couldn't hurt me because our shields out-regened the damage. I remember doing all lvl1 and most lvl2 missions in a Rifter before moving on to a Thrasher. Maybe i'll try a Rifter in a few lvl1 missions to see if i get the same results. Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 20:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Maltitol Edited by: Maltitol on 11/10/2007 19:36:56 im gallente, so i use blasters.. the normal range for those are 1500- 2000m.. its more for pvp as npc killing is hard to keep them in range, so i use railguns instead which has 30k-ish ranges... and the falloffs are huge, so between 10k - 40k i still hit.. somewhat if your using autocannons, im not 100% sure as i dont know that race, but there should be an alternate gun platform you can use on your ships for long range.. i think its artillery I've tried arties aswell but get the same results. Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 21:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Wolfways on 11/10/2007 21:44:38 I just tried a lvl1 mission in a Rifter with a similar setup to the one Leora indicated. All weapons did normal damage and it was a breeze. I can only assume there's something wrong with my medium guns related skills. Ah well, I'll stick to the Rifter for now anyway...not that i have a choice as i used the last of my ISK's to equip it Thanks for the help all Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.12 13:22:00 - [8] Thanks for all the replies I guess the problem was that i came from the bigger is better school of other MMO's. Instead of specialising in certain skills i spread my SP's all over, kind of a jack-of-all-trades character, so i'm not really good at anything atm except learning (all skills at 5). I also tried to rush ahead getting the next biggest ship i could, which is obviously my biggest problem. I think i'll stick with smaller ships for a while until i get decent combat/ship fitting skills Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish

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