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Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's SF's normal way of compiling stats. By ignoring the losses of their allies, it's easier for them to make it look as though they're winning. Of course, statistics never tell the whole story. These diaries always go on about the tactical situation without ever mentioning the wider economic, territorial or strategic impact of the war. This may be because SF are reasonably good at winning battles (especially when ganged with their allies), but they're less good at winning wars. In all honesty, given Star Fractions disdain for holding territory (POS and stations etc.) we might cut them a bit of slack when they try to decide the effect of their campaigns using kill/loss ratios (or "tonnage" win/loss ratios even when straight kill/loss ratios are less than favorable) rather than actual territorial gains/losses in space. However, in this instance they are involved in Revans attempt at taking the Providence region from its rightfull owners. Thus, this war is very territorial in nature and their way of measuring success is of questionable value to put it mildly. Let's imagine a hypothetical situation: Imagine that, when the smoke clears, the Star Fraction has gained a kill/loss ratio of 20 to 1 in their favor while the political situation in Providence hasn't changed the slightest. Will SF consider this a success? According to the "victory conditions" set up so far by Revan, it would certainly be an utter failure on their part - but I sincerely doubt SF would see it this way. As for the diary itself its full of Jasmines usual rhetoric: If we engage superior forces it's because we're brave, if you do so it's because you're incompetent. If we avoid engagements it's because we have sensible leaders, if you do so it's because you're cowards. We've been there and listened to that before - it seems we're in for another dose wether we like it or not. Q: Do you know how to make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin him and roll him in salt.
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:37:00 - [32] Edited by: Laerise on 12/10/2007 23:38:33 Commander Augustus has put it as well or even better than I, no need to double post.
AsheRaven Minmatar The Stormcrow Milita	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:47:00 - [33] Looks liek the is hope for Providence after all ---------------------------------
Anjinsansa	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:59:00 - [34] An interesting read indeed Ms Constantine. Were it not for my involvement in the engagements that you have outlined I may find myself being a little more complimentary. However it is still nice to have a record of sorts on this war on the forums even if the tale being told must always have a high gloss SF finish. I would like to make something very clear to SF and also UK who have continually referred to -7- as CVA pets and lapdogs etc. Our relationship with the CVA runs way back to the inception of my corp and our alliance, and our joined activities in the Sukanan constellation served to bond us as friends and brothers. We will not suddenly wake up and realize that we are pawns in anothersÆ game as a result of SF and UK propaganda, so save your breathà.please. û7- and the CVA are working together for mutual benefit and a common purpose and no amount of external pressure or hot air will change this situation. The decision for -7- to setup in the kbp pocket was our decision, having had safer options and it was taken in full knowledge that the area would be hot for a long time and this has proven to be the case, with an almost constant state of war. We have endured repeated strikes from UK and others thus far and are still holding the line and while I recognize that SF may present us with different problems I think your assumption that Sev3rance will be the primary victim of the initial campaign is somewhat premature. I hope that in the coming weeks you will see fit to pay us a little more respect. UKÆs æBurn ProvidenceÆ campaign has been reduced to that of the smoldering remains of a boy scouts camp fire and they are now but an irritating fly after much initial bluster. You too may yet find û7- a tougher nut to break than you have anticipated. I look forward to your next report and particularly the battle report from Dital this evening. Peace, Order and Prosperity in Providence Anjin
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:12:00 - [35] A well-written report; ignore the slavers flinging excrement. I look forward to flying alongside the Free Captains in many more battles. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Rodj Blake About as believable as Jasmine Constantine's previous efforts at spin. Which is to say, not at all. There is neither a pot, nor a kettle black enough. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:37:00 - [37] At the end of the day, you should all keep in mind that this is a Star Fraction diary, and as such will natuarlly be presented from their POW. I've noted a deviation from the Truth and commented on said deviation, I cannot be bothered to engage in pointless politics and propaganda, but all in all this presentation depicts the SF viewpoint on their current campaign. Take as you will, if politics is your game, please get involved. ----------------------------------------------
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake About as believable as Jasmine Constantine's previous efforts at spin. Which is to say, not at all. You had your chance to make a difference in space Rodj and you failed utterly. Leave this thread to people that actually fight please. It will never fail to amaze me how PIE managed to kill over 150 of your ships and get a kill/loss ratio of 59.17% without ever undocking or fighting. Must be some kind of remote ship-killing device. Or you are talking out of your behind again. (all info from the SF killboard) Amarr Mineral Index
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Tharrn It will never fail to amaze me how PIE managed to kill over 150 of your ships and get a kill/loss ratio of 59.17% without ever undocking or fighting. Must be some kind of remote ship-killing device. Or you are talking out of your behind again. (all info from the SF killboard) You had your chance to make a difference as well and like PIE you utterly failed. At combat, at comprehension, and also at interpreting derived efficiency figures gained from flying single interceptors in CVA gangs. To have repeated this ridiculous display in every war diary we've published in the last six months. By this point one has to conclude either you really don't understand the issue or you are simply trolling. Either way please leave this thread to people that can understand it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:55:00 - [40] Yes, right. Your Judas Goat campaign really showed the Amarr paramilitaries... what again? I am bowing out and wish you a campaign as 'successfull' as that one - with no tangible effect and statistics worse than those of the entities you 'hit'. Everyone should be happy in the end then. Amarr Mineral Index
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Tharrn Yes, right. Your Judas Goat campaign really showed the Amarr paramilitaries... what again? Well for starters we showed that Vigilia Valeria is an empty vessel capable of nothing more impressive than rattling around rusty tins on string for attention ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 07:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Anjinsansa UKÆs æBurn ProvidenceÆ campaign has been reduced to that of the smoldering remains of a boy scouts camp fire and they are now but an irritating fly after much initial bluster. The continued success of the Burn Providence campaign was marked only last week by the passing of the 70bn ISK mark in NET damage to shipping. The skys are empty across northern providence accept for the clusters of slaver pets huddled together. Sylph in IS-R7P and yourself in KBP7-G. 9UY has again reverted to a relative ghost town. S3verance systems are now used on a regular basis for sansha bounty hunting whilst you sweat behind your forceshields. That flag from concord denoting your sovereignty is a joke to us all but no doubt keeps you feeling warm.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:45:00 - [43] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/10/2007 09:48:01 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/10/2007 09:47:51 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake About as believable as Jasmine Constantine's previous efforts at spin. Which is to say, not at all. You had your chance to make a difference in space Rodj and you failed utterly. Leave this thread to people that actually fight please. I regularly fight. As for making a difference, that's something that your previous wars against us spectacularly failed to do, despite your ludicrous claims to the contrary. Anyway, back to the topic in hand! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tatania Apparition	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:00:00 - [44] Hey look, I've walked into every Star Fraction war diary from the past year! One the one side we've got Jad... er, Jasmine's... colorful interpretation of facts, and on the other, the same Amarr folk who insist on 6 or more pages of saying the exact same thing as every other previous communication started by, or involving a member of Star Fraction. All of you should just give it a rest already.
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Tatania Apparition Hey look, I've walked into every Star Fraction war diary from the past year! One the one side we've got Jad... er, Jasmine's... colorful interpretation of facts, and on the other, the same Amarr folk who insist on 6 or more pages of saying the exact same thing as every other previous communication started by, or involving a member of Star Fraction. All of you should just give it a rest already. And the perspicacity award goes to... You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Za'han Galatic Futures Limited	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:15:00 - [46] If I had an efficiency rating of less than 50% (when taking into account my allies loses aswel) against an enemy that is having to defend its entire alliance against the pvp elements only of my alliance I would be asking myself some serious questions, not running to intergal to begin bragging. Of course by the time this is responded to I'm sure some doctoring will of occurred on the fractionists kill records to change some ship values around as normally happens.
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Za'han If I had an efficiency rating of less than 50% (when taking into account my allies loses aswel) against an enemy that is having to defend its entire alliance against the pvp elements only of my alliance I would be asking myself some serious questions, not running to intergal to begin bragging. Of course by the time this is responded to I'm sure some doctoring will of occurred on the fractionists kill records to change some ship values around as normally happens. Nek Tuomatta smirks What do you mean? You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:43:00 - [48] Ahhh that Enyo. I had a mission, getting on kill mails wasn't it, clearing away tacklers was. How did I get away? Well, theres a question, but escape I did once all the remaining free captains were out. -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Ahhh that Enyo. I had a mission, getting on kill mails wasn't it, clearing away tacklers was. How did I get away? Well, theres a question, but escape I did once all the remaining free captains were out. ? You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:52:00 - [50] Its interesting. Those who actually attend our battles complement Jas on the accuracy of her reports û as they have at the beginning of this report. Those that hide and send others in their place snipe, cry foul and claim inaccuracies. Interesting is it not? As for the claim of us changing our stats? Why would we? WeÆve just posted them here for all to see. ôWhat usually happensö is rarely what happens with Star Fraction. As for your ôefficiency ratingö, you claim yours are accurate whilst freely claiming that stats get adjusted? For the hecklers who donÆt like this diary. Feel free to write your own, this is our account of the events, tell yours or go back to your holes. WeÆre not here to hold your hands, stand on your own 2 feet or fall by the wayside of evolution. See you in space -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Feel free to write your own, this is our account of the events, tell yours or go back to your holes. WeÆre not here to hold your hands, stand on your own 2 feet or fall by the wayside of evolution. When he said your efficiency was below 50%, it can be truthfully quoted from your own killboard, fool. You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:00:00 - [52] can it? Not from any figure I can read. You looking at a different board to me? And name calling is just mean! -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:05:00 - [53] You could have a look and tell me if I'm wrong. I look forward to your reporting too. You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:22:00 - [54] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/10/2007 14:23:19 Originally by: Za'han If I had an efficiency rating of less than 50% (when taking into account my allies loses aswel) against an enemy that is having to defend its entire alliance against the pvp elements only of my alliance I would be asking myself some serious questions, not running to intergal to begin bragging. Couple of points here: Firstly you are going to have to understand that Star Fraction is not the kind of organization you've likely faced before. We don't fight for profit, for territory, or even for simple pleasure of the killing. We fight for a revolutionary cause and our losses (though they be heavy) are in the service of this cause. Efficiency ratings are the "holy grail" for mercenary corps because they determine whether they get hired or not. Efficiency ratings are "serious business" for NBSI alliance and pirate corps and anyone else wanting to win respect and acclaim in the eyes of the murderers community in nullsec. But they don't really mean that much to us. You've never seen SF announce an good "efficiency rating" as a campaign result - you'll see us dispassionately list the numbers of ships killed and lost as an informative summary post description of the action in space, sure, but we're beholden to nobody for those statistics and as always we serve only our own purposes and interests in the pursuit of the war campaign. Now, this talk about "allied losses" that the Amarrians and others always harp on about. We don't claimed "allied wins" so we don't list "allied losses". Its really that simple. That engagement in KBP where Ushra'khan and SF cooperated in the destruction of Carrier, Freighter, and half a dozen other ships? No SF vessel appeared on the killmail of the Freighter so we don't list it on our combat database. Just like if no SF vessel lossmail appears we're not going to list it either. Its really very very simple. With regard to "bragging" - well, I think you can see that the War Diary is a very factual account of the actual fighting in space. It lists our victories, our defeats, and everything in between. Perhaps you are too used to the climate in COAD where any post by any alliance member is mandated by law to be bragging or "flaming" or otherwise shouting down the frothing hoard. If we lose 40 ships in a utter military fiasco you're going to read about it our war-diaries. Like it or lump it the Star Fraction has the best reputation for accurate reporting of campaign progress of any entity on Galnet. And this my friend is the thing that keeps the Amarrians coming back to bash their heads against the storefront window of our good name. Quote: Of course by the time this is responded to I'm sure some doctoring will of occurred on the fractionists kill records to change some ship values around as normally happens. We're not a merc corp, why would we care? Star Fraction is recruiting
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:23:00 - [55] ahhh interesting you know how to do maths don't you? -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Nek Tuomatta You could have a look and tell me if I'm wrong. I look forward to your reporting too. I believe its against the policy of this galnet channel to link the resource you indicate above. You might want to edit your post. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Nek Tuomatta You could have a look and tell me if I'm wrong. I look forward to your reporting too. I believe its against the policy of this galnet channel to link the resource you indicate above. You might want to edit your post. While you're there, care to explain the point raised? You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.13 20:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Nek Tuomatta While you're there, care to explain the point raised? Already done. Star Fraction is recruiting
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.14 14:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Anjinsansa UKÆs æBurn ProvidenceÆ campaign has been reduced to that of the smoldering remains of a boy scouts camp fire and they are now but an irritating fly after much initial bluster. u are free to label 110billion worth destroyed ships and equipment of cva and cva friendly organisations within 4.5 month a boyscouts camp fire but who do u whant to blind with such a statement?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Mah Kraah Originally by: Anjinsansa UKÆs æBurn ProvidenceÆ campaign has been reduced to that of the smoldering remains of a boy scouts camp fire and they are now but an irritating fly after much initial bluster. u are free to label 110billion worth destroyed ships and equipment of cva and cva friendly organisations within 4.5 month a boyscouts camp fire but who do u whant to blind with such a statement? Themselves mainly. These Amarrians are nothing if not self-deluding. But seriously, if they keep shouting long enough on galnet then they convince their own organizations that "nothing is happening" - its a fairly common management tactic amongst certain forms of hierarchical tyranny. Star Fraction is recruiting

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