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Casserina Leshrac Amarr Ebon Seraph The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:52:00 - [61] Jasmine I should point out that this has all been brought up before in when SF has posted their War Diary. The next tactic of the Amarr Bloc is an attempt to refute it without backing it up with out providing their own facts. If I recall correctly during Operation Judas Goat, I believe there was only one such document from the Amarr Bloc, while Star Fraction regularly kept us to to date. Unless the someone from the Bloc is willing to issue out their reports with their facts in hand. The masses will just have to get their news from the only source that is available which would be the Star Fraction's War Diaries. Casserina Morchuna of the Blinded Eye Ebon Seraph recruiting!
Mad Scorpion Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:19:00 - [62] Extremely well written. I must restrain myself from entering this conflict until such time that my skills can aid not only my survival but the survival of those I fight alongside. Fight well, live free. MAD Scorpion
Dalyn Arathon Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:25:00 - [63] Edited by: Dalyn Arathon on 17/10/2007 18:28:07 Originally by: Tharrn It will never fail to amaze me how PIE managed to kill over 150 of your ships and get a kill/loss ratio of 59.17% without ever undocking or fighting. Must be some kind of remote ship-killing device. Or you are talking out of your behind again. (all info from the SF killboard) Well, then allow me to disabuse your amazement. For the sake of simplicity, I will use the last twenty non-pod kills against Star Fraction in which PIE were engaged. Losses: 3 x Celestis 1 x Drake 3 x Raven 2 x Hyperion 1 x Rokh 4 x Megathron 2 x Absolution 1 x Typhoon 1 x Nighthawk 1 x Hurricane 1 x Jaguar ____ 20 Losses (during this period, a single capsule was also lost) Now, on the surface, this looks rather impressive. That's quite the collection of heavy ships that PIE managed to take out. Quite impressive, that is, until you open any of those kills and examine the rest of the details. Of those twenty kills, the final blow was landed by PIE in five cases--Drake, Celestis, Hyperion, Celestis, Typhoon. The two Celestis losses were in solo fights, to Rodj Blake's Absolution and Windle Poon's Abbadon, while the rest of these kills were populated by a minimum of three and an average of five CVA pilots. Because people will want to know, Rodj participated in only a single other kill during this period. Of those twenty kills, PIE dealt the most damage in four cases--Drake, Celestis, Celestis, Jaguar. As noted above, two of those cases were solo kills against T1 cruisers. The Drake was honestly well done. Vlad Konstantinov topped out CVA's Abbadon, Maelstrom and Arbitrator for both most damage and final blow. The Jaguar was a solo fight between assault ships that pitted Cirale's Jaguar against Cpt Constantinus' Retribution--until the fight was interrupted by a CVA Raven and Laerise's Crusader. In the remainder of all cases (with the exception of the Hurricane falling to a gang comprised mainly of North Star, Cold Steel and CVA), highest damage and final blow were at all times landed by CVA, and the vast majority of killmails included a few PIE pilots and a long list of CVA pilots. The observant reader will notice that 17 of these kills occurred in Amarr during the hour and a half period that began at 22:55 on 5 July 2007, and those of you who were there that day will recall that it was a fleet battle between Star Fraction and CVA. PIE were of course present with the battleships that would otherwise have been parading, while Ushra'Khan brought a light fleet consisting mostly of fast support ships. I do not have access to the U'K killboards to report on their losses, but from the Star Fraction killboard it appears that, discounting light ships, only a single U'K battleship was involved. Assuming that ship survived, the tally of battleship and command ship losses that day was 10 lost out of 24 present for Star Fraction/U'K, while CVA/PIE lost 16 out of 23. Star Fraction lost both of the T2 Cruisers/Battlecruisers that were involved in the fight (U'K participated with at least a single Vagabond, loss status unknown, but further U'K ships in this power class do not appear on kills with SF pilots), while the Amarr bloc lost 5 of 8 T2 Cruisers of Battlecruisers involved in the fight. Total allied forces displayed on the Star Fraction killboard was 39, while total enemy forces involved was 46. Admittedly, these statistics contain a certain amount of error and do not include U'K losses (although the U'K fleet consisted almost entirely of light ships, which I am not counting either way). In summary (and in case you didn't care to read that wall of text) please take a look at what statistics actually MEAN before you post blindly about them. In this case, the statistics actually do support our point--that PIE are rarely (if ever) effective in combat without Mama Aralis and gang to hold their hands. Be my guest to compile a similar report beyond the last 20 kills. I don't have time to. Dalyn
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:38:00 - [64] Edited by: Reash on 17/10/2007 18:38:20 Edited by: Reash on 17/10/2007 18:38:01 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Themselves mainly. These Amarrians are nothing if not self-deluding. But seriously, if they keep shouting long enough on galnet then they convince their own organizations that "nothing is happening" - its a fairly common management tactic amongst certain forms of hierarchical tyranny. 6 of the threads on the first page of the intergalactic summit were started by the invaders of providence and speak of how dangerous providence is. I agree, shouting loudly appears to be a method commonly used to try and convince people of something. Now that has been cleared up i highly doubt it will stop you and your allies from posting however. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 19:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Dalyn Arathon the vast majority of killmails included a few PIE pilots and a long list of CVA pilots. In other words you're suprised to find joint CVA-PIE gangs to be dominated by CVA pilots while the CVA has about 8-10x our numbers at a rough guess? Maybe you would have prefered it if our allies only sent a few ships your way to avoid making the fight against the united amarrian loyalists too hard for you to handle?
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment	Posted - 2007.10.17 19:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Dalyn Arathon omg.. I have never, ever, ever read such an inane post in my life...ever. You just redefined pedanticism, feel proud. You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Dalyn Arathon Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:51:00 - [67] Edited by: Dalyn Arathon on 17/10/2007 21:52:01 Inane? Yes. Pedantic? Yes. Of course it is. But when you're dealing with the mental giants () who populate the Amarr bloc, there really isn't a choice if you want to make a point. Any sort of eloquence is immediately drowned out by the page after page of recycled idiocies that are all they seem to be able to produce. The fact of the matter is, that I'm sick and tired of Rodj and Tharn and Gaius and others of their ilk vaguely referencing statistics from our killboard to prove how high and mighty they are, when an actual examination of the data shows exactly the opposite of what they said. In this case, that PIE are in any way able to be effective without CVA there to scratch behind their ears and tell them it's ok, mommy will fight for you. And then there are individuals like our dear friend Udyr who still entirely miss the point. Or should I be complimented by the fact that PIE thinks that it takes the entire thousand-odd member Amarrian bloc to stand against an alliance that has less than 100 individuals in its member corps?
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:16:00 - [68] Black monday. Now that was a mix between an awsome fight and a slaughter, other than the fact you forgot to mention the severance? Thanatos. im not sure on the exact numbers, ive heard between 45 vs 60 up to 45 vs 90+, however as a group under the command of SF we decided to fight. As stated before, shortly after jump in we knew the battle was a lost cause but when including the amount of EW + Dps the opposition had, i think it turned out reasonabily well. You took the the gang into a battle with little chance of victory, however its probabily what i would do. just ask any repo member. all in all, it was an intense fight, i hope for many more preferabily with a few less numbers... the lag wasnt pleasent.
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Dalyn Arathon Or should I be complimented by the fact that PIE thinks that it takes the entire thousand-odd member Amarrian bloc to stand against an alliance that has less than 100 individuals in its member corps? 1. you never faced 1000-odd wartargets during your campaign there 2. i thought that was the whole point of your cleverly named operation: to try and lure the unsuspecting cva into a fight in amarr so you could tell your members to spend time at their leisure. clearly noone else but the highly skilled sf-military strategists would have expected this outcome considering our history. 3. are you really going to complain about unfair numbers again? i thought you people were supposed to take these obstacles in stride instead of whining about unfair conditions all the time. if you dont want to face the "amarr bloc" then dont declare war on them? simple isnt it?
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:40:00 - [70] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne if you dont want to face the "amarr bloc" then dont declare war on them? simple isnt it? PIESWARM, How about you speak about ammarian block when we start to see your ships at space and killmails around? PIESWARM Forum war Only policy is not Gods decree Cras amet qui nunquam amavit; Quique amavit, cras amet
Dalyn Arathon Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:54:00 - [71] Edited by: Dalyn Arathon on 17/10/2007 22:57:27 Honestly, do you people train and compete in missing the point? 1. No, but it took close to that in total membership to be able to sc***together a force that you thought could fight us. And need I point out that it takes that full bloc again to come up with a fleet that can beat us, even now? 2. This must be a badly written joke, because otherwise, it simply makes no sense. For the record, the point was to disrupt the vigil you were holding for your dead emperor. A vigil that didn't see a single PIE member undocked in Amarr for hours after it was scheduled to start because you were shivering in your station waiting for CVA's war declaration against us to go live so you could undock. Which, lest it not be completely clear, simply underscores the point that PIE cannot effectively operate independently in any meaningful capacity. 3. Did you ever hear me complaining about unfair numbers? I'm a member of an alliance that is in a state of declared war against four times our number (the ratio isn't quite that bad once you count Eternal Rapture, but it's still going to be something higher than 2:1). I understand that the entire population of Severance is not hardened warriors, and in fact remember what it was like to be on the other side of a war like this, running scared through empire when Huzzah was wardecced by Exuro Mortis. I understand that it is in CVA's interest to defend their pets in all parts of Providence. What I don't understand is why the hardened forum warriors of PIE can't keep your mouths shut and be silent in the presence of your betters on both sides of the conflict. Lick CVA's boot heels if you like, but be silent about it. EDIT: Is ape tog a curse word in another language or something? AKA, why is the forum **ing s c r a p e together?
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 23:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Dalyn Arathon The fact of the matter is, that I'm sick and tired of Rodj and Tharn and Gaius and others of their ilk vaguely referencing statistics from our killboard to prove how high and mighty they are, when an actual examination of the data shows exactly the opposite of what they said. Really? I imagine you might have gotten the impression of me referencing killboards from someone close to you, but KB statistics is something I rarely bother to dispute or discuss. Statistics are dynamic, they will tell you anything you wish to hear. Eyewitness accounts I will comment if they are being relayed incorrectly, and involve my character. Step back and take a deep breath anarchist, you seem stressed and frustrated. Have a booster or two, and pray they kill you. ----------------------------------------------
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:08:00 - [73] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 18/10/2007 00:15:41 Originally by: Dalyn Arathon 1. No, but it took close to that in total membership to be able to sc***together a force that you thought could fight us. And need I point out that it takes that full bloc again to come up with a fleet that can beat us, even now? yes yes...the "amarr bloc" used greater numbers than sf could come up with to fight them and it shows how weak we are. right before that sf used greater numbers than PIE alone had and it showed what great strategists sf are. to everyones suprise our allies join in the fight. who would have thought of that. Originally by:** Dalyn Arathon 2. This must be a badly written joke, because otherwise, it simply makes no sense. i see now why you are confused about this. you were not yet in sf when they started their clever operations against PIE. so my earlier statements propably made little sense to you. unfortunately for you sf let the war i was talking about run out before you joined them. that single fight you saw was just a short reactivation of it for one day in a desperate attempt to try and improve their stats. Originally by: Dalyn Arathon 3. Did you ever hear me complaining about unfair numbers? I'm a member of an alliance that is in a state of declared war against four times our number. you must be pretty proud of that. it may suprise you but fighting against more people than you have in your corp/alliance is not all that special..in fact it seems to happen all over the place. right now PIE has approx 7:1 odds, one of our enemies is hit even harder fighting at an incredible 69:1 ratio. so kindly stop going on about how bad you have it. you may not be complaining directly about how its so unfair to you but your alliance sure spends a lot of time pointing out how great you are at holding off that unsurmountable force that is the "amarr bloc". Originally by: Dalyn Arathon EDIT: Is ape tog a curse word in another language or something? AKA, why is the forum ****ing s c r a p e together? i'm sure you will figure it out eventually if you just at look the exact letters which are missing from your text.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:17:00 - [74] Would you posters for PIE PLEASE stop trolling my thread. This war has nothing to do with you. You've said yourself you are away "doing important things" elsewhere in Eve. Unless you're intending to come and help Sev3rance please leave this thread and mind your own business. Thanks in advance. Star Fraction is recruiting
Vlad Cetes Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.18 02:04:00 - [75] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Would you posters for PIE PLEASE stop trolling my thread. This war has nothing to do with you. You've said yourself you are away "doing important things" elsewhere in Eve. Unless you're intending to come and help Sev3rance please leave this thread and mind your own business. Thanks in advance. I think we're seeing the Goon influence on PIE already Jasmine. Maybe PIE should just join Goonswarm and feel right at home. Every time a mod nerfs my sig, Chuck Norris kills a kitten, please mods think of the kittens.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 07:21:00 - [76] Perhaps if you stop aiming prooganda at them their posting numbers may be reduced...i doubt you will though, might run out of posting material. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.10.18 07:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Would you posters for PIE PLEASE stop trolling my thread. This war has nothing to do with you. You've said yourself you are away "doing important things" elsewhere in Eve. Unless you're intending to come and help Sev3rance please leave this thread and mind your own business. Thanks in advance. I think we're seeing the Goon influence on PIE already Jasmine. Maybe PIE should just join Goonswarm and feel right at home. It wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm sure they would be received with a warm welcome. Cras amet qui nunquam amavit; Quique amavit, cras amet
Tatania Apparition	Posted - 2007.10.18 08:10:00 - [78] This has turned out like every other headache inducing Star Fraction thread from the past year, with the same old things being said by both sides, SF and their PIE friends, only made more annoying now by Revan chirping in. You'd think they'd get tired of hearing themselves.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 08:13:00 - [79] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Would you posters for PIE PLEASE stop trolling my thread. This war has nothing to do with you. You've said yourself you are away "doing important things" elsewhere in Eve. Unless you're intending to come and help Sev3rance please leave this thread and mind your own business. Thanks in advance. I think we're seeing the Goon influence on PIE already Jasmine. Maybe PIE should just join Goonswarm and feel right at home. It wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm sure they would be received with a warm welcome. I fail to see what PIE's political stance towards the Goons has to do with the topic in hand. Anyway, to clarify our position once and for all to get things back onto track, I have previously said elsewhere that PIE opposes expansion into Providence by both the Goons and BoB and this remains the case. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:54:00 - [80] Edited by: Heero Yuy on 18/10/2007 15:55:06 Originally by: Tatania Apparition This has turned out like every other headache inducing Star Fraction thread from the past year, with the same old things being said by both sides, SF and their PIE friends, only made more annoying now by Revan chirping in. You'd think they'd get tired of hearing themselves. You'd think that people who follow this comms channel regularly had the wits to refrain from reading things they know they won't enjoy, but apparently even that is too hard a trick for some. That aside, it's frankly no less than astonishing that PIE even at this late stage has not grasped that the SF War Diary is just that - a war diary. A blow-by-blow account of the progress of hostilities as experienced by us and therefore inevitably presented from our perspective. Rather than to waste no time rolling in with the same old attempts at discrediting every little detail, why don't PIE present a similar account for themselves? It is not, after all, as if they are more adverse to sharing their opinions than we are. Is it simply that they far prefer polluting our posts to writing their own, or perhaps because PIE does not in fact have much to write about in terms of combat endeavours? If either is the case, I'm sure Severance or CVA could produce a suitable narrative, given that both those entities are actually active in space. That would hopefully serve both to give GalNet readers a credible alternative to our diaries, as well as hopefully leaving the incessant sideline rantings from PIE even more redundant than they already are. I for one would both welcome and enjoy regular diaries written by the opposition. Were they to appear I'm sure we could all be more respectful of each others perspectives, avoiding the usual unpleasantness that PIE's involvement inevitably brings to every message we post. I've no doubt the GalNet would be immeasurably better served in this manner than with the current, highly unpleasant status quo.
Gundano	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:41:00 - [81] I wait, eager to read the star fractions week two diary. I will be skinning a slave every hour until the post is made. Some may see this as a waste of human life, but I reassure you, once blended and minced there broken remains make a nutritious soup for the rest of the soiled Minmatar skum, that have been forced to build ships that tear enlightenment through the black desolate space we now hold triumphant. Sev3rance space, allows neutrals to gain access to 0.0 (NRDS)
Cpt Constantinus PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:29:00 - [82] Skinning slaves? What kind of monster are you? Pray that we dont meet in lowsec, scum.

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