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Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:56:00 - [1] Man I want to stab something so bad right now. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:58:00 - [2] Fiona, are you related to Starscream? Or do you both use the same internet cafe? Or did you buy the Fiona character off Starscream? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Shadarle This must just be a joke. If he discloses shareholder names you will invest though correct? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Miss Fiona this is a Legit bussiness we are trying to form, and we need some capital. I asked you a ton of legitimate questions in the first post you placed. If you can answer those to my satisfaction I will consider investing in you. My questions were asked before the starscream link was in place, and my only evaluation at the time was on your business plan. Failure to answer those questions coherently, with proper quoting, and in a manner to which I feel suitable for a person requesting more public isk than 50% of the public companies already in existence, then your chance of success goes to zero. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.14 17:29:00 - [5] Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 04:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Ricdic Thanks for the answers. Now, you keep advising "we" in your responses, in which I understand you are referring to your corporation. Can you have them post here to advise they are also included in the project please. Because saying "we" all the time and only ever having one person speak almost feels like you are trying to promote security as funds are split over multiple people's heads, and yet none have posted. Hope you understand what I am saying. Quoting myself as it seems you missed it Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Investigador Ricdic, aren't you a bit wary from her answers? Course I am. But I feel it is only fair for people to get their word out. Whilst Curzon Dax has said the two (starscream and fiona) are on the same IP, that doesn't make it so. I was in the channel when one of the others (reported to be on the same IP) hongdingaling or whatever was in the poker game and he seemed to have no similarities whatsoever to starscream (however he did seem suss either way). Anyway, it wasn't mentioned during or after the game, but when he complained on the forums it was only 'then' that the public were advised he was using the same IP address as starscream. I am not in any way defending starscream or fiona, but starscream and curzon had a beef with each other. Starscream proceeded to attack curzon publically, and a few others (including fiona) said they thought it was a scam too. However misguided, there is no factual evidence that says both fiona and starscream are the same person. There are coincidences and non-backed up advisories. I would like to see Curzon post a little more evidence to back things up. A screenshot showing this, or the poker logs showing it. Whatever it takes. Anyway, I think his plan hasn't had anywhere near enough thought put into it, needs far more research, and a rewrite by someone who speaks decent English. I wouldn't invest a cent, and that is on these specific merits. Starscream was never proven a scammer, as I don't believe anyone invested in his "ipo" in his bio. If they did, I don't remember seeing any reports by people claiming to have been scammed by him. Anyway, as above, all my questions and queries towards Fiona have been disregarding any links to Starscream. So I am not telling people to invest, but I saw most of you also shoot down Genbukan in his Best Buys INC post on page 4 when he first presented his business plan. He was hardcore attacked for it, and restructured and came back, now look at his latest report and recreation on page 1 and check out the quality of those reports, his daily blog updates etc. I just don't want to be pushing people away based on theories and claims without verifiable backing. Having said that, I probably have another 50 questions I would ask and want answered before being close to satisfied as I feel those I have asked in the previous page had sloppy and incomplete answers as was partially picked up by Investigador. Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Oron Originally by: Ricdic Don't think of my questioning as a form of endorsement, I am just giving the guy a fair chance to state his ideas/plans rather than an instant trash as pretty much everyone else has done. If Ricdic take a look at Fionas plannes and if he say they are reasonable, I'll consider investing. To be honest I don't really want to be involved in this one. I feel that trying to clean this up would put a fake veil on it plus take a ton of work. Matalino has offered so we can see how he goes with it. People have a bad habit of investing in things I touch so I really don't want that association in something I am quite uncomfortable with at this point. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Miss Fiona Im Starting to think that some of you dont know what you are talking about. you seem to be trolling to boost your own ipo. The Plan dont need to be laid out on power point to work.as long as the ide and planning is good, it will work and turn out a nice profit for the investors. Sorry but you just lost any chance I was willing to give for you to prove yourself or turn things around. I have no doubt in my mind this is a scam and strongly recommend people don't go near it. Failure to answer questions correctly, failure to provide more information as you said you would, lack of knowledge to run any form of public venture, and a crappy attitude that history has shown always works badly for the investors. Plus, yet another affiliation with Starscream has popped up on this page. You may as well go to Jita and offer people 10x their isk back. You have far more chance of making 30b than you do off us. Game over Fiona. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:47:00 - [10] This thread has turned to gold /me thinking of setting up a charity fund to go towards mercenary war vs NTG, but wonder if it would be wrong on his corpmates. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Ricdic on 17/10/2007 22:02:37 Originally by: Miss Fiona we will do our best to tell the honest story of how ZZZ alliance are scammers. I feel privelidged that you have chosen Zzz over all the other 'trolls' in this thread. One thing though. The 'trolls' you mention in this thread represent your target market. They are the ones who would buy your shares if they felt comfortable in them, or their questions were answered correctly. Throwing a tantrum and calling them names because no-one falls for your scam is stupid. edit, you haven't put your scam post on any EBANK threads yet btw. You failed. We gave you every opportunity to start on even ground and when you realised your scam wouldn't work you resorted to abuse. I won't reduce myself to your childish namecalling games but I will continue enjoying the drama you add to this thread. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Miss Fiona we made a nice plan We? No-one but you has come forward. The only other person that did so, is an alt of General Starscream. Where are the other people? Now is the time to have them post here. Quote: worked weeks on resarch and everything, and days on the plan and layout of the post. I could see that a little effort was put into it. But if you have no spreadsheets or documents of any kind, just evemails and in-game conversations, then I would be NOT investing, due to a high chance of failure (read: not the scam aspect). The 2 key aspects we (as prospective shareholders) look for in a business are trustworhiness and chance to succeed. Both don't always need to be 100% filled, sometimes you can leverage one for another, or find alternate methods to fill in the gaps. But one of those two aspects HAS to be fulfilled. Your trustworthiness has been zero from the start. An unknown alt only linked to a scammer main. So you needed a spectacular business plan to balance the scales. Your business plan was poor to say the least. It had inconsistencies, changes that needed making, early bird offers(wtf) and the likes. You offered no allowance for securities, refused to provide a simple email address for someone looking to read the business plan and frankly haven't answered any of the real questions I put forth to you in an acceptable manner. Quote: What do we get? minless clueless people trolling trollling i tell you. Whilst I won't speak for myself, the people who have spoken in this thread would account for some of the highest economical personalities in this game. People with proven personal success, some on the road to corporate and public success and the likes. Many of whom are large corporate investors who you want to have on your side and not against you. I personally hold shares and bonds in other people's corporations to the tune of 16 billion isk. Your success or failure has no benefit whatsoever to me as an owner of a research corporation, a capital ship corporation, and a banking corporation. My questions were all from a prospective investor's point of view. So, you lost a potential shareholder in me. The potential for this was probably lost 3 pages ago but I decided to stick with you a bit longer and see if you could turn things around. Unfortunately you went the other way and dug yourself a hole that your character will never be able to climb out of. Quote: honest corps gets pushed out Unfortuntely, you have only 1 person to blame. Your corporation has only 1 person to blame. Do you really think the 40 or so different people who have posted in this thread are 'all out to get you'? Or do you think maybe they are all speaking on similar lines because they all feel the same way? If there are other members of your corp (not alts) that feel they have been hard done by, I would recommend that they take immediate action, that in leaving the corporation, as even having employment history stating they have been in NTG may be a permanent red cross on their name. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 15:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Setana Manoro Curzon also went against rule #15 "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.", because his enjoyment of the game has been destroyed. No, Starscream CHOSE to use a third party service with no CCP sanctioning. He chooses to do so, so he accepted the risks. This is also labelled in the EULA somewhere. You do realise that anything outside of Eve can log your IP don't you? Isk Selling sites, The EBANK site www.eve-central.com www.eve-db.com www.eve-files.com Every website you have ever been too that is not owned by CCP can have it's owners logging your IP address. CCP do it as well but obviously they won't give it out. Much like in real life when you send out mail. You have your reply address on the rear of the envelope. If you choose to send to someone, don't be surprised if they happen to know your RL address once they recieve the information. If you don't like that your IP can be logged, don't play. Same with everything else affiliated with this game. You shouldn't need someone holding your hand in this case. Use your own judgement to make decisions and don't blame others for your (or in this case starscream)'s mistakes. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.18 16:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Setana Manoro Will every website that has eve-related content out there log my adress and then ruin my gaming in EVE ? Of course not, but every website has the ability to do so. Thinking it doesn't is foolish. But hey, you are saying that CCP shouldn't use known ISK account creation IP addresses to track ISK seller/buyer accounts as well aren't you? Because, CCP is utilising your IP address and then 'ruining' your gaming on Eve. Anyway, in case you missed it, he was pronounced an alt of starscream long before the verification came into play. The information was posted, and this was removed by CCP. That is fair enough that maybe an IP addy shouldn't be posted here. However, every time you go to ANY website on earth, you risk those people providing your IP addy to a hacker or someone intent on causing you grief etc. Take responsibility for your own actions. Quote: Because this is what Curzon did to the OP. Trolling is also against the EULA in Eve and you will find Starscream done this long before in an attempt to ruin Curzon's gaming experience. So by your own admission, Starscream should be the one banned. Quote: The fact that the above mentioned sites have this ability - and i was discussing with a friend the awesome ability that ineve might have to find alts of someone on the same account, does not mean that they use it in some righteous induced vendetta. Next time I get hit with a keylogger, remind me to send a letter to the only person who is responsible for it - myself. Everything in life has repercussions. Live by the right decisions or die by the wrong ones. This applies in Eve and in RL. Accept it or choose the aforementioned alternative. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:51:00 - [15] How many shares are still available? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here

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