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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:48:00 -
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Ok iv been thinking, and iv come to a pretty good solution to stop Insta-Jump bookmarks, and tie it in with the story (sort of).
Ok, 0.0 was deserted a long time ago by all empires due to it being impossible to police, so the gates that were made were left there, without maintenance. So over the years their inertial stabalizers wore down, untill they eventually stopped, so now, they rotate on a singular axes.
Basically, the gate will rotate around a center point lets say, it takes 60min for the gate to rotate fully around this point, but it will allways stay in the same grid.
This means insta-jump bookmarks will not work, due to it being impossible to pin-point the exact location of the gate at any given time. You still have the ability to warp to within 15km of the gate, but if you use a boomark, you will allways end up roughly 5-10km from the gate, give or take. Giving people enough time to scramble, web the people trying to get through...
Discuss, add your own ideas or whatnot, i just thought it would be a good idea.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:50:00 -
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i like it.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:51:00 -
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Plausible, workable, easily implemented, and I'm betting CCP don't do it because it's a good idea 
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:52:00 -
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This also adds some tactical management with the deployable scramblers, meaning more will have to be deloped to cover the whole area. So it will add a much more tactical feel to battles, having to scout the area, then decide which way to come in from and so on...
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:54:00 -
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its a good idea, but will make traveling a pain in the butt
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:55:00 -
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its a good idea, but will make traveling a pain in the butt
Traveling will be as it was meant to be, you will allways be 15km from the gate, if you warp to it without a bookmark...
Although i dont think this should be implimented within empire... 
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2004.02.22 20:55:00 -
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Plausible, workable, easily implemented, and I'm betting CCP don't do it because it's a good idea
actualy bookmarks plain dont make sense so the easiest thing would be to remove them all, but gameplay-wise... what a pain for traveling, i prefer it this way 
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:03:00 -
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GDI, There is nothing to fix with insta-warps. They are fine the way they are.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:05:00 -
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GDI, There is nothing to fix with insta-warps. They are fine the way they are.
Umm... no, their not being used the way they were meant to, and in some sense are an exploit.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 22/02/2004 21:07:47
As for the idea.. I had a very similar idea myself, in that they move around a bit (20 km radius?).
I didn't bother posting it though, because the children will start to get upset, and troll the threads. See Carmen's post.
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:08:00 -
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lol, who are you to decide exactly how each feature was 'meant' to be used. You guys cry bloody exploit everytime someone finds a way to outwit you. 
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Carmen Electra on 22/02/2004 21:11:25
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 22/02/2004 21:07:47
As for the idea.. I had a very similar idea myself, in that they move around a bit (20 km radius?).
I didn't bother posting it though, because the children will start to get upset, and troll the threads. See Carmen's post.
Ok...I will try to exlain this calmly. DM, you are SPVD, all you guys do is gank people. That's what you specialize in. You call me a 'child' because I oppose a change that would make ganking much easier.
edit: Just FYI, I almost never use insta-warp BMs, only in empire space for a bit of very occasional mining. So you can be assured I am looking at the Insta-warp BM issue fairly objectivley and having the removed would make your job much much easier.
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cypriss
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:09:00 -
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actualy bookmarks plain dont make sense
how so? one would have to assume that jumpgates, stations, planets, astroid belts etc are basically bookmarks. a bookmark is just a coordinate, so why couldn't someone have their ship fly to a certain coordinate?
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:11:00 -
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lol, who are you to decide exactly how each feature was 'meant' to be used. You guys cry bloody exploit everytime someone finds a way to outwit you.
Definition of an exploit:- To employ to the greatest possible advantage...
So in other words, somthing that gives you an advantage over someone else is an exploit (and kids, please dont go, ohh so if someones using a sensor booster, and someone else isnt, its an exploit. Lets actually stay within a sensible scope here)
If someones camping a gate, and you use an insta-jump BM, you have a GREAT advantage over them, meaning exploit. Nuff said ty 
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:13:00 -
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somthing that gives you an advantage over someone else is an exploit
lol^infinity
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:16:00 -
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somthing that gives you an advantage over someone else is an exploit
lol^infinity
'(and kids, please dont go, ohh so if someones using a sensor booster, and someone else isnt, its an exploit. Lets actually stay within a sensible scope here)'
Please read all of my post before replying. Thank you...
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:20:00 -
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'(and kids, please dont go, ohh so if someones using a sensor booster, and someone else isnt, its an exploit. Lets actually stay within a sensible scope here)'
Please read all of my post before replying. Thank you...
Ok, I admit, I read and intentionally omitted that. Again the heres the real issue.
1) You say that using a sensor booster and someone else isnt is not an exploit
2) You say that using Insta-Warp BM IS an exploit
That is a line that YOU drew, why shouldnt I get to decide just where all the limits are? I don't work for CCP, but I'm trying to offset the pro-pirate sentiment in this forum.
Just because you have the loudest voice does not mean you represent the majority.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:21:00 -
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somthing that gives you an advantage over someone else is an exploit
lol^infinity
Ohh yeh, example...
M0o in the early days used multiple Damage mods, that when all put on properly gave outrageous damage modifiers. That was viewed as an exploit, and everyone could use it. It just gave an unfair advantage to certain people who knew how to use it... now please, go back to the care-bare inn, and play snap or somthing...
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:23:00 -
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Ohh yeh, example...
M0o in the early days used multiple Damage mods, that when all put on properly gave outrageous damage modifiers. That was viewed as an exploit, and everyone could use it. It just gave an unfair advantage to certain people who knew how to use it... now please, go back to the care-bare inn, and play snap or somthing...
The term 'carebear' really really needs to be abolished. Just because I'd prefer to hang on to that which takes me months to accrue does not make me some pussy carebear.
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Slackette
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:25:00 -
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Easier to design a "device" that knocks ships out of warp once in 15km range of a gate.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:26:00 -
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Ohh yeh, example...
M0o in the early days used multiple Damage mods, that when all put on properly gave outrageous damage modifiers. That was viewed as an exploit, and everyone could use it. It just gave an unfair advantage to certain people who knew how to use it... now please, go back to the care-bare inn, and play snap or somthing...
The term 'carebear' really really needs to be abolished. Just because I'd prefer to hang on to that which takes me months to accrue does not make me some pussy carebear.
Hehe, ok... but lets actually try and have some sense here. I know people want to keep insta-jump BM's because its easier than having to travel (as it was meant to be) but it really is affecting the game in a very bad way. Being able to defend a region from others who have insta-jump BM's is practically impossible. Alliances need more control over their region, and this is one way to start it...
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:27:00 -
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Easier to design a "device" that knocks ships out of warp once in 15km range of a gate.
Allready been done, but the availability of this device is very VERY limited...
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:34:00 -
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Hehe, ok... but lets actually try and have some sense here. I know people want to keep insta-jump BM's because its easier than having to travel (as it was meant to be) but it really is affecting the game in a very bad way. Being able to defend a region from others who have insta-jump BM's is practically impossible. Alliances need more control over their region, and this is one way to start it...
Heh, well now I see where our opinions differ. I firmly believe that alliances, if anything need a bit of a nerfing. A relatively small group of people, as it is now, have COMPLETE control over a really sizeable chunk of the map. Leaves no room for anything except the most hardcore player.
I feel that as alliances are getting bigger and more powerful, the n00b is being shut out more and more everyday. While highly experienced players get a kick out of blowing up a 2 week-old players frigate, it's devastating to the newbie player.
Ok, imagine this. Lets say you're one of those players with 10 battleships and 500 million isk in your wallet. All of a sudden you have 100,000 isk in your wallet and only 1 battleship. You'd be filing petitions until you fell asleep at your keyboard. This is EXACTLY what happens to the poor noob who gets his thorax ganked after spending 3 weeks earning enough isk to buy it.
I'm just saying that eve is already a very non-inclusive gave with not enough room for those who have not been here since launch day.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:20:00 -
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"If someones camping a gate, and you use an insta-jump BM, you have a GREAT advantage over them, meaning exploit. Nuff said ty"
Camping a gate is lame, so I see no problem using instajump bookmarks to bypass someone who is being lazy.
I see no problem here.
Stop gate camping, and the problem will go away...
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:40:00 -
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'(and kids, please dont go, ohh so if someones using a sensor booster, and someone else isnt, its an exploit. Lets actually stay within a sensible scope here)'
Please read all of my post before replying. Thank you...
Ok, I admit, I read and intentionally omitted that. Again the heres the real issue.
1) You say that using a sensor booster and someone else isnt is not an exploit
2) You say that using Insta-Warp BM IS an exploit
That is a line that YOU drew, why shouldnt I get to decide just where all the limits are? I don't work for CCP, but I'm trying to offset the pro-pirate sentiment in this forum.
Just because you have the loudest voice does not mean you represent the majority.
The fact that devs have stated insta jump bookmarks weren't intended kinda draws the line, carebear nub.
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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:57:00 -
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Personally, I think Insta-BM's are fine the way they are. All it means is that different strategies need to be employed - if you can't catch em at one side of the gate camp the other as well.
I think that being able to bookmark a point in space and fly directly to it is a normal part of navigation in space. If the onboard computers (thinking Non-RL here) can't maintain a record of a position in space and fly directly to it, what the hell has the scientists of eve being doing for last millenia :-)
Besides, you have to spend significant effort to set up a Insta-BM in space (something that is very difficult to do when the gate is camped), so there are many opportunities to be caught.
I think the system is fine the way it is ..... (puts on fire retardant suit and braces for the flaming) :-)
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Lord Drax
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Posted - 2004.02.22 23:38:00 -
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a way that could make everyone happy is to increase the "jump" radius of each gate from 2500m, to say 7-10km, this would mean anyone dropping out of space at 15km could still have a chance to get to the gate unharmed and gate campers would also have the same chance of catching someone, if this were to happen then ccp could create a radius around each gate of say 20km which does not allow bookmarks to be placed.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:10:00 -
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Actually what would be cooler is if you could edit the co-ordinates in the bookmark to share 'em over the comms channels.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.23 01:31:00 -
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The fact that devs have stated insta jump bookmarks weren't intended kinda draws the line, carebear nub.
The fact that the Devs did look very closely into this matter and chose to leave them be and introduce deployable warp disruptors kinda draws the line, carebear nub.
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Dr Parks
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Posted - 2004.02.23 02:35:00 -
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It boggles my mind that people are interested in 'fixing' something that isn't broke.
Do you really want to spend an extra several minutes travelling when mining if you dont have to?
Do you really expect to say insta jumping to a gate is wrong and needs to be fixed, but sitting 70-80km outside of gate gun range and shooting peeps is ok?
I enjoy being able to set up custom bookmarks in roid fields and to gates leading to where I refine.
Flying an indy or bestower at 50 m/sec to a gate from 15km away is not fun. It's boring as heckfires.
How does taking away the ability to make custome BMs make this game more fun?? 
It doesn't!
It just makes more of a burden, or in some cases. the pirates get a longer chance to shoot you while sitting 80km away from the gate guns. Wow. Big benefit there...
Stop crying about stuff that makes life less of a hassle for us regardless of whether it's to save time, escape pirates or whatever.
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