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Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:18:00 - [1] - Quote Just curious what the numbers are? Generation: Concord bounties (rats and incursions) Agents (Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts) Sinkage: Brokerage and sales tax Setup costs (PI transfer costs, Sov costs, etc. . . ) Clone costs NPC seed purchases (skillbooks & other goods) Do any of the developers have these numbers. I am sure there are others in the EVE community that are curious about what the month-by-month ratio is? "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Karl Planck Heretic University Heretic Nation 128	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:22:00 - [2] - Quote search the forums, it is well documented but get ready to read.
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:25:00 - [3] - Quote Karl Planck wrote: search the forums, it is well documented but get ready to read. I have found a few things. Mostly concerning PLEX prices and whining about incursion inflation, but no ratio or any sanctioned data for that matter. Got a link? "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
seany1212 eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 73	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:28:00 - [4] - Quote Defecanda wrote: (Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts) How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value.
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:30:00 - [5] - Quote According to the recent CSM report inflation is 1% per month. http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/transcripts.asp (wont go into bbcode) And the last economic report from CCP or QEN is dated DEC 2010. Which is of no real value I suppose given the date and changes since then. "All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems."
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: (Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts) How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value. I almost didn't comment, then i laughed, then I felt bad. Read the OP please and the definition of a sink. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:33:00 - [7] - Quote The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being bought or sold from an NPC market seed are negligible. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:36:00 - [8] - Quote Defecanda wrote: seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: (Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts) How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value. I mean NPC-based generation. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
seany1212 eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 73	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:36:00 - [9] - Quote Defecanda wrote: The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible. LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:38:00 - [10] - Quote seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible. LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Panhead4411 Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge 23	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:40:00 - [11] - Quote My guess is that we'll see a figure slightly higher than the 1% inflation per month that was toted in the CSM minutes...but it would be nice to see some numbers.
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:41:00 - [12] - Quote Oh well, forget it. I was wanting a link to a dev blog or dev response, not the free bumps and opinions of 'just another subscriber" "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Ammzi Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow 767	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:41:00 - [13] - Quote Insurance... NPC buy nanoribbons too :( quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:42:00 - [14] - Quote Panhead4411 wrote: My guess is that we'll see a figure slightly higher than the 1% inflation per month that was toted in the CSM minutes...but it would be nice to see some numbers. agreed "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:42:00 - [15] - Quote oooo, i forgot insurance, edit up. Ammzi wrote: Insurance... NPC buy nanoribbons too :( "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
seany1212 eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 73	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:43:00 - [16] - Quote Defecanda wrote: seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible. LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game. You are mistaking salvage for loot, you should check the NPC prices of sleepers blue loot
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:45:00 - [17] - Quote seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: seany1212 wrote: Defecanda wrote: The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible. LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game. You are mistaking salvage for loot, you should check the NPC prices of sleepers blue loot You're right!!!!! I edited OP to include NPC buy orders. I thought I had put that on there. "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Samantha Utama Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 40	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:51:00 - [18] - Quote seany1212 wrote: LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots troll / dense
Hemmo Paskiainen Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 285	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote Defecanda wrote: Just curious what the numbers are? Generation: Concord bounties (rats and incursions) Agents NPC buy orders Sinkage: Brokerage and sales tax Setup costs (PI transfer costs, Sov costs, etc. . . ) Clone costs NPC seed purchases (skillbooks & other goods) Insurance deltas Do any of the developers have these numbers. I am sure there are others in the EVE community that are curious about what the month-by-month ratio is? take 20% of eve region in high (no incursion system), low, 0.0 secrandom from a list without looking. Add up rat counts on each day for 1 week. Multiply my 650,000 isk (avarage rate bounty) devide by 20% of eve region indivudualy. Multiply by each sec group = amount of bounty each week in eve 52 = a yr incursions, as above Agents: 80% of npc's in high sec are missions runners take high nec number above and *1,50 (50% bounty) NPC buyorders, should be in ones of the previous quens's Broker sales: quen Sov costs: check dotlan, take avarages as above CLone costs: check battleclinic & amount of pods killed, get avarage value of pods of 1 month and get avarage npc seeds: check quen You forgot isk loss in T2 ships CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
seany1212 eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 73	Posted - 2012.01.24 13:55:00 - [20] - Quote On a serious note though CCP released a few months ago a guide detailing pretty much all aspects of the market and how much isk was moved through it, i think they also went on to say in it that they could not keep track of contracts because of some reason, im trying to find it but not having much luck at the moment EDIT: Hemmo you genius, that was it with QEN EDIT EDIT: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf I could only find the Q4 2010 one, i dont know if they've done one since
Ptraci StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound. 312	Posted - 2012.01.24 14:11:00 - [21] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: According to the recent CSM report inflation is 1% per month. Ouch! That means prices double every 70/1 = 70 months, or roughly 6 years. So in 2018 you can expect to pay 900M for a PLEX...
Defecanda Shogun's Samurai F0RCEFUL ENTRY 42	Posted - 2012.01.24 14:16:00 - [22] - Quote seany1212 wrote: On a serious note though CCP released a few months ago a guide detailing pretty much all aspects of the market and how much isk was moved through it, i think they also went on to say in it that they could not keep track of contracts because of some reason, im trying to find it but not having much luck at the moment EDIT: Hemmo you genius, that was it with QEN EDIT EDIT: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf I could only find the Q4 2010 one, i dont know if they've done one since Thank you for the link "You FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL to jump because you are cloaked . . . ."
Hemmo Paskiainen Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 285	Posted - 2012.01.24 14:20:00 - [23] - Quote seany1212 wrote: On a serious note though CCP released a few months ago a guide detailing pretty much all aspects of the market and how much isk was moved through it, i think they also went on to say in it that they could not keep track of contracts because of some reason, im trying to find it but not having much luck at the moment EDIT: Hemmo you genius, that was it with QEN EDIT EDIT: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf I could only find the Q4 2010 one, i dont know if they've done one since Not wanna bluff or something, but i am a genious :) You must be too for reconizing one. Im high gifted, skipped alot of classes, done 1 uni study so far, half way the second on my 24th yet it doesnt get reconized a lot. Im aka as the Awesome One. Your welcome.. True Story /Hemmo CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
gfldex 287	Posted - 2012.01.24 14:47:00 - [24] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Ouch! That means prices double every 70/1 = 70 months, or roughly 6 years. So in 2018 you can expect to pay 900M for a PLEX... The given inflation rate is an average. Average in economics usually means to ignore the important data to support some political agendas. If you look at the trend for PLEX in the last few month we will get to 900M much quicker. Further inflation has two meanings. One is the development of prices for goods and the other is the increase of money in circulation. There may or may not be a connection between the two. But don't worry, any economic discussion in EVE is pointless anyway because any single patch can topple over all those nice theories folk twiddle in their minds. When drone poop is changed to ISK all hell will break lose. But nobody can say how that hell will look like. "Speculation" is lastly just a fancy word for "betting". More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining!
hellscure Army of Dragon 4	Posted - 2012.01.24 16:03:00 - [25] - Quote seany1212 wrote: EDIT: Hemmo you genius, that was it with QEN EDIT EDIT: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf I could only find the Q4 2010 one, i dont know if they've done one since QEN has been discontinued. They've promised a dev blog here a dev blog there about stats and such. only one DB comes to mind since than.
The Time Lord Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.01.24 17:17:00 - [26] - Quote LP stores are an isk sink also

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