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Davion Vrynn Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:24:00 - [61] Due to the continued forays by the Cyrene Initiative's combat forces over this current business week and the utter absence of any overtures of a peaceful resolution to this groundless war, the APEX Conglomerate will be pursuing a new policy as of this announcement. Cyrene has yet to provide any evidence to corroborate their "charges" and shows no signs of seeing reason. Thusly, APEX has decided to pursue an "any means necessary" strategy to prevent the Cyrene Initiative from having any further ability to impact APEX business operations and interests. This strategy will be pursued until such time as CYI retracts their wardec, apologizes for their actions and pays reparations for the damages inflicted in this unjust war. ----
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:41:00 - [62] A question on your "any means necessary" strategy. There have lately been rumours that APEX is, and I quote, "by getting like four different alliances/corps on cyrenes back", by changing to this new strategy is it an indication that these rumours are correct? Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
DarkNicodimus Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:40:00 - [63] Irias, your points through out this conflict have been valid. It appears Apex does not want to answer your direct questions and i think we all no why. I can tell you that since the Apex engagment we have had no less then 2 extra merc corps against us.This policy stated is nothing new and has been going on since the first 24hrs of the War dec. The only thing differnt is 1 shot 1 kill allaince only lasted 3 days in this engagement. But losing over 20 ships mostly BS tends to due this. CYI expects this but, will also caution Apex this war can be escalated to extreme measures very quickly. Your statement on "any means necessary" can work and will work bolth ways. --- --- It was a sad day for Anti-Pirates when the skill book "Advanced Docking" was introduced
Vendrin Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:37:00 - [64] I will remind everyone that when the Cyrene Initiative began this war, they did not take one chance to attempt a diplomatic resolution. They, a paramilitary organization outnumbered us by over 100 pilots. The hiring of mercenaries is simply an efficient way to end their threat without risking our own assets as greatly, because they did not seem to engage unless they had 2 to 1 in numbers. _____________________________________ APEX Conglomerate is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Crausaum Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.21 08:27:00 - [65] At this time please allow me to remind you of the response Cyrene was given when we requested that APEX Conglomerate refrain from dealings in the Placid region after APEX pilots ignored orders from Federal officials and engaged in combat with Federal Navy vessels as well as preaching pro-State propaganda while supposedly present to assist Federal citizens. Originally by: Vendrin The APEX Conglomerate does not recognize the Cyrene Initiative's right to dictate any of our actions, and we will assist in Placid as long as other organizations who care more about the Intaki than political grandstanding invite us too, or Placid Reborn tells us our assistance is no longer wished. Additionally let us remind you that Cyrene's requests came after the APEX Conglomerate's declaration of war against the Acheron Federation, another Federation based organization. If anything I would say that The Cyrene Initiative's response to APEX's actions and declarations has been rather measured. As for the future of this war let me bring some facts into clarity before future actions muddy the waters. APEX Conglomerate was the first to bring extraneous parties into this war when they hired the foul mouthed 1 Shot 1 Kill alliance in an attempt to blockade Cyrene in Federation space. When this course of action did not work APEX resorted to hiring on known pirates and joining them in fleet operations against Cyrene. As of the time of this posting Cyrene fleets have needed to spend very little time operating in Caldari space to achieve their goals and at no point to my knowledge have Cyrene forces engaged in the activity known as "station camping", a practice that the APEX Conglomerate and their newfound allies have practiced for several hours at a stretch once they were able to obtain forces far greater in number than Cyrene's. Should the APEX Conglomerate continue to refuse to respect the rights of Federation citizens this war shall continue until such time as we feel the APEX Conglomerate is no longer a threat to the peoples of the Federation. In addition should the APEX feel the continued need to employ known pirate forces to bolster their ranks and continue to escalate this war they shall soon see an appropriate response from Cyrene. --------------------------- absit iniuria verbis
Vendrin Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.21 09:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Crausaum At this time please allow me to remind you of the response Cyrene was given when we requested that APEX Conglomerate refrain from dealings in the Placid region after APEX pilots ignored orders from Federal officials and engaged in combat with Federal Navy vessels as well as preaching pro-State propaganda while supposedly present to assist Federal citizens. Originally by: Vendrin The APEX Conglomerate does not recognize the Cyrene Initiative's right to dictate any of our actions, and we will assist in Placid as long as other organizations who care more about the Intaki than political grandstanding invite us too, or Placid Reborn tells us our assistance is no longer wished. Yes, and that position still stands, because you attempted to dictate to us by threatening force what to do. Had you asked or actually looked at negotiating, or even asked your former alliance members Placid Reborn to ask us to stop, we would have left as we stated, but you never did any of the above. Quote: As for the future of this war let me bring some facts into clarity before future actions muddy the waters. APEX Conglomerate was the first to bring extraneous parties into this war when they hired the foul mouthed 1 Shot 1 Kill alliance in an attempt to blockade Cyrene in Federation space. We hired Momentum. DUTY came into the war under their own volition without payment. We wouldn't waste isk on a group like 1 shot 1 kill. _____________________________________ APEX Conglomerate is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.21 12:05:00 - [67] Fantastic, you Cyrene Iniative, you have wasted at least 4 to 5 months of the Federate Internal Security division, jeopardized the I.S. division operations and covert operatives lives in the area and managed to escalate a region that was deemed pacific , for the past month, into war. I presume that classified meens the same thing to you as it signifies to the rest of the Federate Officials. As far as the government is concerned your actions are not supported by any officials. I would however ask the APEX Conglomerate to explain their covert ops ships presence in the area and for their representatives to try and estabelish peace talks once more. _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Davion Vrynn Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:54:00 - [68] Originally by: Dionisius I would however ask the APEX Conglomerate to explain their covert ops ships presence in the area and for their representatives to try and estabelish peace talks once more. While I still hold out hope for a diplomatic solution, sir, we have spent the last week flooding GalNet with requests for CYI to act as reasonable enlightened human beings and come to the negotiating table. They have shown no intent or desire to do so. APEX cannot continue to risk financial assets fighting a limited war and continuing to waste time calling for peace that could be spent protecting our assets. No, while peace is still possible, I'm afraid that if CYI wants it, the burden is now on them to seek it. ----
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Davion Vrynn Originally by: Dionisius I would however ask the APEX Conglomerate to explain their covert ops ships presence in the area and for their representatives to try and estabelish peace talks once more. While I still hold out hope for a diplomatic solution, sir, we have spent the last week flooding GalNet with requests for CYI to act as reasonable enlightened human beings and come to the negotiating table. They have shown no intent or desire to do so. APEX cannot continue to risk financial assets fighting a limited war and continuing to waste time calling for peace that could be spent protecting our assets. No, while peace is still possible, I'm afraid that if CYI wants it, the burden is now on them to seek it. - Federate Comunication GFN.DC.00013.CTL - .Regarding Placid and CYI/APEX Thank you for your answer Mr.Davion, on behalf of the Federation Navy i can assure you that CYI stand alone in this action against APEX Conglomerate. The Federation has not sanctioned any action against Apex nor handed any "classified" documents to CYI representatives. The Federate policy towards Placid region and its inhabitants is the same as any other empires regarding lowsec regions, to try and bring security to them whenever possible, our borders strech long and the Navy has its hands full. And once again you have the Federation thanks for trying to keep the peace while operating in the Placid area, you are entitled to defend yourselves of course, the request was merely to avoid casualties among innocent civilians. Dionisius. - GFN.DC.00013.CTL/END - _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:10:00 - [70] bah 808 has been conducting commerce raids down there for months and we get no mention? --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp Supporting the Caldari State

Sine Tamar Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:41:00 - [71] Edited by: Sine Tamar on 21/10/2007 21:43:12 Originally by: Davion Vrynn ...in this unjust war. Unjust war? 1) You murdered Federation Customs crewmen, and never appologized to their families or the Federation 2) You spewed anti-Federation propaganda at every apportunity when you were in Placid 3) You funded Illoren, who are outlaws in our space 4) We asked you to leave, you didn't, Just that should be enough. You declared war Acheron federation, a Gallente alliance for supplying Brothers of Freedom with food/basic necessities claiming they were supplying them with weapons, whether or not this was a fabrication is unknown to us however, so we didn't get involved. Not a paramilitary alliance? right... You've done far worse than what you claim Acheron did, meddling doesn't even begin to describe what you were doing, you were sowing the seeds of separatist rebellion under Cyrene's very nose and disrespected us when we told you your "help" wasn't wanted - and I'm sure you would have done far worse aswell if the whole Illoren affair wasn't wrapped up so swiftly. You still haven't answered a single question when confronted about these points I have highlighted above and still you scream injustice? Surrender terms will be provided, but they won't be yours, and you can be sure that APEX will not meddle again under our watch. -----------------------
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Sine Tamar Edited by: Sine Tamar on 21/10/2007 21:43:12 Originally by: Davion Vrynn ...in this unjust war. Unjust war? 1) You murdered Federation Customs crewmen, and never appologized to their families or the Federation 2) You spewed anti-Federation propaganda at every apportunity when you were in Placid 3) You funded Illoren, who are outlaws in our space 4) We asked you to leave, you didn't, 1) Your war is doing worst in the region. 2) You have no proof of that. 3) Again speculation 4) Your problem not the Federation and 5, presenting fake evidence and involving the Federate Government is completely unacceptable. _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:12:00 - [73] Wait wait, hold the train. If I recall correctly members of The Cyrene Initiative were participating hand in hand with Illoren to cease the serpentis drug ops. --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp Supporting the Caldari State
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:57:00 - [74] I'm sure the various agents and intelligence officers involved with FIO are quite pleased to have a pod-based corporation openly share classified intelligence over the galnet FTL communication line - I'm sure that warrants an official federal investigation and charges to be brought up. Either way, how declaring corporate war against a Caldari-based corporation aids the securing of Federal low security areas, is beyond me. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:29:00 - [75] Originally by: Leon 026 I'm sure the various agents and intelligence officers involved with FIO are quite pleased to have a pod-based corporation openly share classified intelligence over the galnet FTL communication line - I'm sure that warrants an official federal investigation and charges to be brought up. Either way, how declaring corporate war against a Caldari-based corporation aids the securing of Federal low security areas, is beyond me. It wasn't actuall real Federal Info, as said earlier, the Federate Internal Security office does not acknowledge any of Cyrene Initiative's actions. What point is there in classifying a given piece of information as Classified just to hand it over to someone that will spread it all across Galnet. _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.10.22 20:54:00 - [76] Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 22/10/2007 20:54:26 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Sine Tamar Edited by: Sine Tamar on 21/10/2007 21:43:12 Originally by: Davion Vrynn ...in this unjust war. Unjust war? 1) You murdered Federation Customs crewmen, and never appologized to their families or the Federation 2) You spewed anti-Federation propaganda at every apportunity when you were in Placid 3) You funded Illoren, who are outlaws in our space 4) We asked you to leave, you didn't, 1) Your war is doing worst in the region. 2) You have no proof of that. 3) Again speculation 4) Your problem not the Federation and 5, presenting fake evidence and involving the Federate Government is completely unacceptable. 6. Posing as a Federation official is a capital offence. ---
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:08:00 - [77] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 22/10/2007 21:12:08 Originally by: Thuul'Khalat 6. Posing as a Federation official is a capital offence. Gods and spirits, is it really? I don't think even the State hands out death penalties for impersonating an officer or other official. What about all those satirists, comically doing impressions of government officials in various media forms? I wonder whether they'd be quite so blithe if they realized that they might get put to the sword if they got a little too close to the real thing. Government has occasionally been known to slip into the domain of self-satire, you know. It might at times be an easy mistake to make. Mr. Thuul'Khalat, I don't pretend to be an expert on Gallentean law, but this seems ... extreme, particularly for your Federation. It's not quite on the level of beheading people for jaywalking, but it's also not terribly far off. Among other things, such a law would seem to be quite unpopular with attendees at costume parties. I'm sorry; you're obviously pointing to this as a form of fraud, but your reaction (and that of the law, if such a statute exists) appears extreme, placing such a deed on the same level as mass murder and high treason. Particularly knowing the Gallente, the idea that the Federation would take such acts so seriously seems laughable. Additionally, considering the fact that it's a capsuleer you're talking to, options for enforcement appear limited, unless he either takes a page from Mr. Salo and dutifully turns himself in, or you feel willing to declare war and bring him to justice yourself. Do you, in fact, mean to do so?
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:16:00 - [78] No... the State prefers what can best be described as surgical lobotoby, leaving those undesirables as drivelling zombies, mere husks of their former selves. I'll not comment on what i find to be the more cruel option. As for your parralel to Impressionists and Satirists, a bit of a grab even for you... Those people will take on a caricature, more often than not of a specific person, unlike Mr. Dionisius, who presents himself as an official spokesperson. Unless ofcourse he is attempting at a carrer in comedy. ---
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:31:00 - [79] Pilot, you critique the joke and ignore the substance. I'd like confirmation, please, that the Gallente Federation executes people for fraudulently pretending to be federal officials. From a credible source, if you please, and I hope you'll understand if I don't regard your memory as such a source.
Crausaum Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.24 03:45:00 - [80] At this point in time The Cyrene Initiative is ending its war against the APEX Conglomerate. Our efforts agaisnt APEX have resulted in their partial relocation to an undisclosed location in the Nadire constellation and our intel shows this was done with partial help from Guristas Sympathizers. As the APEX Conglomerate has now aligned itself with anti-State elements we no longer see reason for The Cyrene Initiative continue its actions against APEX and now view this as a internal matter of the Caldari State. --------------------------- absit iniuria verbis

Naphtalia The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:11:00 - [81] Originally by: Crausaum At this point in time The Cyrene Initiative is ending its war against the APEX Conglomerate. Our efforts agaisnt APEX have resulted in their partial relocation to an undisclosed location in the Nadire constellation and our intel shows this was done with partial help from Guristas Sympathizers. As the APEX Conglomerate has now aligned itself with anti-State elements we no longer see reason for The Cyrene Initiative continue its actions against APEX and now view this as a internal matter of the Caldari State. The people you declare war on, for corporate (not racial) reasons, moves into your backyard, and you drop the war. ... Scared much? Recruitment - Guristas Associates
PiF Gallente TAKAGI Corp	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:47:00 - [82] TAKAGI Corp commend The Cyrene Initiative in their concluded efforts to drive off the Federation a rather suspicious corporation and for having demonstrated that Apex was a front-cover for piracy, smuggling and theft. TAKAGI Corp hope that the efforts of The Cyrene Initiative will be followed by similar ones on the Caldari side. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:52:00 - [83] Originally by: Crausaum At this point in time The Cyrene Initiative is ending its war against the APEX Conglomerate. Our efforts agaisnt APEX have resulted in their partial relocation to an undisclosed location in the Nadire constellation and our intel shows this was done with partial help from Guristas Sympathizers. As the APEX Conglomerate has now aligned itself with anti-State elements we no longer see reason for The Cyrene Initiative continue its actions against APEX and now view this as a internal matter of the Caldari State. Regardless of what you feel your "justification" was for the attack on APEX, you sought to protect the people of Placid by warmongering and launching an offensive against a group which was the least of the region's worries. Your haste and bad judgement has done nothing to aid the people of Placid, or to cull the violence there. In fact, in future you may end up finding that it's lead only to an increase in attacks on shipping and operations in the region. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Dark Avatar Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Vendrin I will remind everyone that when the Cyrene Initiative began this war, they did not take one chance to attempt a diplomatic resolution. They, a paramilitary organization outnumbered us by over 100 pilots. The hiring of mercenaries is simply an efficient way to end their threat without risking our own assets as greatly, because they did not seem to engage unless they had 2 to 1 in numbers. This is so very like Cyrene Initiative. Do not let their numbers fool you into a show of their might, Vendrin. They are a wanting alliance at best. I have personally duelled with them a year(?) ago. It ended up with us engaging them and taking very little in the way of losses against five of their corporations surrendering from the alliance and taking very heavy losses. If you call their bluff and go toe to toe with them, I think you will find they will start scatterintg and seeking station shelter very quickly. In any case. Good luck, Vendrin. D.A For you, the day I rolled into your system and killed your ace pilots was a most memorable day. For me, it was Tuesday...
Justicia Universi Gallente Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:03:00 - [85] And so the same faces return. Keep the war open forever, I welcome it. God knows how boring it is patrolling low sec of worthless pirates night after night. Talk, talk, talk...so much talking. I will see you in space. If Apex believes in victory, then they should prove it. Too much talking and not enough actual fighting. At least some of those whom cheer you, actually fight. I respect them becuase it was earned in combat. But for some, such as Vendrin,I think you talk too much. War is War, reasons are shaky at best, it is we the Soldiers whom fight it. Leaders whom lead from the armchair of some board roomr are nothing but cowards.
DarkNicodimus Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:13:00 - [86] Well said JU besides vendrin hasnt been seen at all. Quite the leader eh --- --- It was a sad day for Anti-Pirates when the skill book "Advanced Docking" was introduced
Vendrin Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:01:00 - [87] http://cyrene.net/main/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1561 Second the list. I admit I'm not on many of your loss mails, but I've been busy with the CBT investigation. Now that that's been resolved, I expect you'll see a lot more of me. _____________________________________ APEX Conglomerate is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Boma Airaken Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2007.10.27 08:09:00 - [88] Originally by: Vendrin http://cyrene.net/main/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1561 Second the list. I admit I'm not on many of your loss mails, but I've been busy with the CBT investigation. Now that that's been resolved, I expect you'll see a lot more of me. What CBT investigation? I am not the only one waiting to see credentials.
Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:52:00 - [89] It is a sad day when a organisation so shamelessly turns its guns on comrades. 808 also fought along side Cyrene to rid Placid of Serpentis Drug Smuggling. I wont even go into the fact that it took many CALDARI PILOTS to maintain order in Federation Space. Now for supporting the same people as you had in this endevour you find reason to go to War. Now I am an admitted privateer and ply my trade in the Placid Region. Because you were comrades in arms, Cyrene had been extended certain courtousies, such as not blasting your miners to dust as they lay unprotected in numerous lawless systems. I personally spoke with one of your CEOs concerned for their safety. Such niceties are gone. If you like to indulge in warmongering, I will see every Initiative ship possible burn within corps area of operation. Having seen your pilots I am convinced that Apex will have little trouble. -Good Luck Apex -Cpt. Hull
Yuthrin Mynwara Amarr Golden Crescent	Posted - 2007.10.28 16:33:00 - [90] It seems that hostilities could have been avoided if an impartial 3rd party assisted in bringing about a peaceful compromise.



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