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Jane Dough
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:09:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP was so unfair as to force its one month subscribers to absorb the ENTIRE cost of their price increase? I mean they can talk all they want about currency differences. Their decision to increase prices is to make more money. Period. If you do a little simple math, you can see that CCP is making some serious money already, even accounting for costs and expenses.
But why dump that expense on the 1-monthers alone? Am I a "lower class" of subscriber because I pay by the month? (I don't see how, I pay more than the other 2 types of subscribers pay per month) Why was this price increase not distributed across all the subscription rates thereby making the increase affect everyone but each subscription type getting less of the pinch than a whopping $2.00 a month?
I think this is my que to exit the game of Eve . I have seen inequities in this game but this one smacks of simple greed and while Eve was worth it at $13 a month, it is not worth $15 a month. I don't like the idea that my choice to pay month to month somehow makes me less deserving of a fair price than a 3 or 6 month subscriber.
I'll be suprised if this post is allowed to stay around very long. I'm sure any disent in the ranks will be considered a "flame" and be deleted but I sure would like to hear CCPs reasoning behind the "1-monther punishment plan". |
Maridia
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:24:00 -
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Start paying for 3 months, drink one less beer in the pub or stop complaining.
Personally, I think you are just looking for a reason to quit 
They did not rase the fee with 10$ or so (yet)
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Jane Dough
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:32:00 -
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"Personally, I think you are just looking for a reason to quit..."
Actually, I'm looking for a reason to stay. I have a lot of reasons to quit already.
So, any real input on the question I am asking? (like you would know?) |
Maridia
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:44:00 -
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Ok, look at it this way. European law says that everyone(europeans) should pay taxes for online games(or something like that). They add the taxes to monthly costs, but the 3/6 month payment plan does not increase. Maybe they lowered their own income ?
I've always payed on a 3 months base, I don't know what the monthly price was before they increased it.
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Jane Dough
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:59:00 -
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um... the reason given US players is the difference in currency value and the original price was $13 a month instead of the new $15 a month charge.
Sounds like you have not really read my post or understood anything I've been commenting on here, you know?.. just sounds that way... dunno... maybe its just me... but I doubt it.
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Maridia
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Maridia on 23/02/2004 09:05:36
Yup, I read euro's instead of dollars. Excuseme for not paying attention on this early monday morning :p
/me shoots self
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:08:00 -
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Why Are We Punishing The One Month Subscribers?
- Because they aren't the true EVE faithful.
- Bulk buying is ALWAYS more cost effective
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:13:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
Why Are We Punishing The One Month Subscribers?
- Because they aren't the true EVE faithful.
- Bulk buying is ALWAYS more cost effective
It's not about being faithful, its about getting one big bill or six small bills.
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Liinn
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:17:00 -
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To give you a little hint about how low the US Dollars value realy are.
Im from Sweden. We have a crapy currency.
For the last 6 month the value on the $ has gone from 1$=10 SEK to 1$=7.20 SEK.
So for six month ago a monthly subscription would have costed 130 SEK. Now it with 13$ it would have costed 93 SEK. Now this is in a crapy currency. i dont know how the Islandic currency has developed but you can see that they are loosing money.
Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:22:00 -
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Quote:
To give you a little hint about how low the US Dollars value realy are.
Im from Sweden. We have a crapy currency.
For the last 6 month the value on the $ has gone from 1$=10 SEK to 1$=7.20 SEK.
So for six month ago a monthly subscription would have costed 130 SEK. Now it with 13$ it would have costed 93 SEK. Now this is in a crapy currency. i dont know how the Islandic currency has developed but you can see that they are loosing money.
*snip*
Good reply!
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:56:00 -
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The pay 1 month has an advantage:
If you get banned at month 1 while you paid 3 months, ccp can still claim the 3 months since its in their TOS.
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Rual Storge
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:09:00 -
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you only get banned by being bad people... so be good and obey the rules and no problems.
I pay at 6 months increments. I'm always a person watching my dollars and it also keep me from doing the "Awwww lost my preatty <instert expensive ship here or module>" and hitting cancel as many players do. Cause I remember I lost my first BS to Bio long before I was NVA, or PA, or any allaince. and had I had 1 month I would have left. but then after a day or two break I logged on went through some of the named loot I had and some help from my corp mates and was back in a BS in no time (that was back when if you lost a BS it actualy REALLY hurt) not this lose a BS fly a new one into the fight in under an hour that we have today. War is to inexpensive to wage right now... CCP wanted LESS BSs originaly. if thats the case they need to find a way to make a ship loss a bigger deal...
Rual Storge, Battlestars, CEO |
Tatsu
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:22:00 -
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How does the price changes make any sense at all is what i am asking myself. I live in the USA and I subscribe by the month and have been playing for a long ass time (check in game if u really care).
Now coming to the time when Eve has had the most consecutive players online at the same time and at the very same time uping its prices? Well this clearly makes sense.... ya maybe in icelandic math it makes sense.
So profits are falling because currency is falling but at the same time profit is rising because player numbers are rising so at the end of the day we should be staying on the same profit levels. But instead lets just raise prices because we need even MORE profit and once the USD goes back to its normal value across the market i doubt prices will go back down to the normal 13/month.
Therefor this price raise makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
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Mr Frost
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:33:00 -
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Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:47:00 -
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Now coming to the time when Eve has had the most consecutive players online at the same time and at the very same time uping its prices? Well this clearly makes sense.... ya maybe in icelandic math it makes sense.
Makes perfect sense. More players, more costs. Duh.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:53:00 -
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Here's what does and doesn't make sense about the price increase:
1) Yes the US dollar is weaker, this is due largely impart to big tax cuts in the US. Unfortunately this has a reverse effect when buying foreign products or services.
2) If Eve was a US based company they would have actually made money with a weakening dollar on its foreign customers.
3) The Euro has strengthend right along with icelands krona so euro increases is not really justified.
Liin,
Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
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LetumDeAstralis
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:07:00 -
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They want an assured profit margin. Maybe they need to rent their servers for 3-6 month stretches. Imagine buying up 6 months of server time and then one week suddenly losing hundreds of month to month subscribers when you already anticipated them staying with the game. Wasted space=Wasted money=BAD!!!!
So they obviously called in some analyst who told them that a slight increase in the cost might lose them a few customers, but thoose who stayed would more than make up for the loss and in the long run it would dilute the threat of losing mass amonts of month to month customers, as more than likely most of the month to months would start paying for 3 month subscriptions.
Also as they sign up more subscriptions people will look at the fees, they are reasonable and weigh it against the fun they had and decide "You know I really want to explore Eve a little more with a universe so big ill pay for 3 months." Then when the Noobes start exploring the universe every outer rim alliance Kills them on sight. So the Noobe gets mad and cancels but he already paid for the 3 months so CCP gets the extra money without having to cover the costs of server space for that noobe cause he cancelled. The corporate heads at CCP laugh maliciously and manically while trying to discover new ways of Ganking customers.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:03:00 -
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If you renew 12 times a year, that's a lot of admin.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Aurik Ulanti
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Aurik Ulanti on 23/02/2004 17:18:48
*snip*...but we REALLY shouldn't talk politics here. I'm not entirely sure, but it isn't even allowed right?
Correct!
-Jehova
Now to stay on topic I think the raise is bad 
Looks like I'm going to go the three month alley and pay up in advance. No biggie. As someone said earlier, it's just one less beer a month really. I can live with that, and I love beer
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:28:00 -
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Well,
How can I change my subscription from a 1 month to a 3 month plan? I came back to eve in december, and have decided to stay a while.
Unfortunately, there is no option under billing in account management to change your subscription plan. None that I can see anyway.
Do I have to cancel my subscription and re-activate with a 3 month plan or something?
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Shoopy
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:42:00 -
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To be honest, the price is still ok. If it ever top ú15 per month, than i would sale my accounts and leave.
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Strikeman
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Posted - 2004.02.23 18:45:00 -
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Quote:
Well,
How can I change my subscription from a 1 month to a 3 month plan? I came back to eve in december, and have decided to stay a while.
Unfortunately, there is no option under billing in account management to change your subscription plan. None that I can see anyway.
Do I have to cancel my subscription and re-activate with a 3 month plan or something?
Account management -> modify account -> billing info -> modify billing info -> change subscription plan.
about the topic: 1 USD ~ 0.8 EUR atm (give or take 2cent); when EVE started, it was 1 USD ~ 1.2 EUR; that's an obvious difference.
also, someone said they have more players, so they shouldn't raise the price as the rise in players will make up for it in the long run. that's not true imho cause bandwidth, as opposed to everything else, keeps on being expensive, no matter now much you need.
and do you *really* think CCP ups the price *just* to make more profit; what about this: they finally got to the point where they just *have* to up the price because it's the last thing they can do to improve server performance (buying more cluster power) ... that'd be a *very* valid reason for me.
besides, who cares about that 2$ per month; I only play EVE Online, no other game (well, not really) and EVE now costs me about 50Ç per 6 months. that's the price I would pay for 1 game in the store that I would play for 1 month. and then shelve it.
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Miriel Arkonis
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Posted - 2004.02.23 19:25:00 -
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Of course they give the price break to multi-month customers. Thats just good bussiness. What would you do? Some stranger wallks into the store that you've never met before do you give him a price break? or do you give the price break to the guy who comes in every week?
Any sane rational person knows that you give the break to the person who's going to keep coming back.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:29:00 -
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Liin,
*snip*
The given reason for the price increase is the weaker value of the dollar. The international value of the dollar is a function (chiefly, but not exclusively) of what the US economy is up to.
Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.02.24 01:05:00 -
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Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
Really guys $2 is not a big deal. OOOOOHHHH guess i can't have 4 soda's out of the pepsi machine (50 cents each) this month.
Come on guys really i pay more for lunch in two days than EVE costs me in a month with two accounts running. Two bucks should not break anyones bank............
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For more info click below
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2004.02.24 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Canuck on 24/02/2004 01:30:53
Ok...here is basically what it "SHOULD" boil down to -
I live in Canada
Our currency is based on the US dollar 
When I first subscribed, one Canadian dollar was worth 62 cents US
I pay in US dollars
One month subscription cost me $19.24 Canadian
Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
The value of the Canadian dollar goes up to 78 cents US
One month now costs me 18.30, even with the 2 dollar American monthly increase.
*snip*
(Real moral of the story: Price increase? What price increase?)
Side Note: Please dont take this too seriously my southern neighbors, you really are a little uptight sometimes.
Edit: Creative Reconsideration
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.24 01:54:00 -
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Couldnt help but jump int his post here. It has already been discussed before. The value of the dollar is worth MORE in Iceland then the EURO. I wont discuss math becuase I already tried to in another post and I couldnt deal with the n00bs who say otehrwise and provide false math and logic.
So the ocnclusion is CCP is just raising the price for all the 1 month subscribers becuase they just want more money and keeping it the same for the 3 and 6 month subscribers to not insult us smart people.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.24 02:03:00 -
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Couldnt help but jump int his post here. It has already been discussed before. The value of the dollar is worth MORE in Iceland then the EURO.
How many ISKs does one dollar buy?
How many ISKs does one euro buy?
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.02.24 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Canuck on 24/02/2004 01:30:53
Ok...here is basically what it "SHOULD" boil down to -
I live in Canada
Our currency is based on the US dollar
When I first subscribed, one Canadian dollar was worth 62 cents US
I pay in US dollars
One month subscription cost me $19.24 Canadian
*snip*
The value of the Canadian dollar goes up to 78 cents US
One month now costs me 18.30, even with the 2 dollar American monthly increase.
*snip*
(Real moral of the story: Price increase? What price increase?)
Side Note: Please dont take this too seriously my southern neighbors, you really are a little uptight sometimes.
Edit: Creative Reconsideration
You US leaching canadian, hehehehehehehhehe
joke btw
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Darvi
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:14:00 -
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Pls keep RL politics disussions of the EVE boards!
-Jehova
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