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Yeah but I was speaking in terms of effective combat. after all, when you think of an indy you don't think about combat first.

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Edited by: Rinji on 23/02/2004 15:53:12
Any word on research project managment Popa?

EDIT: Yea, what Muaddid said.

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I would like to know when Criminal connections and diplomacy and media social skills will be in.

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Let me just ask a quick question Papa Smurf (something inside me shivers irrationally when I write your name). No thats not the question. I think you half answered this to someone else but I want to ask it again for a clear answer.

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There's also a ship-type bias, so if you come to your agent in a battleship, you're more likely to get a kill mission than if you come in an industrial.

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Is this bias bassed on if you are actually "active" in that ship type when asking for a mission, or just if that ship happens to be in the hangar at that agent's station even when you are not in it?

For example, If I am active in my probe and talk to my agent, is there a higher chance of me getting a cargo run mission even if I have an inactive rupture sitting in the same stations hangar, or will it take that ship into account too?

I ask because nearly all my ships of various type are sitting in the same station as my favourite agent.

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Also, will it take the ships fitted modules into account in this selection of mission? Some people do not always have their ships bunched together in their agents station like me and if they go several jumps in a cruiser that is mainly fitted with mining gear to do a mission (though I cannot imagine why, but you never know, some strange folk out there in the galaxy) would that person get a kill mission due to the fact that they are in a combat cruiser and have to go re-fit their ship.

After all, every ship in eve (except indy) can be used for combat to some extent so what criteria does it concider each ship to be in when selecting a mission? I would not like to be sitting in my probe and end up getting a kill mission against cruiser rats. (though as I said I have all my ships in that station anyway)

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I just came to think of something that concerns me a bit... with the way mission NPCs respawn after docking, and missions lasting for 24 hours, I can imagine how players could use mission spawns in secure space for "farming" security status without having to go hunting for pirates in low sec space. If nothing is changed to the respawns, I guess that will mean that those who want can have their own personal cruiser spawn for a day.

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A valid point, but in the end, they will still run the same risk as if they went to another spawn or trawled the low sec belts, except for the possibility of other player intervention in low sec space.

Still, I agree that maybe people should only get the bonus once from the mission, or get the set bonus ammount once the mission is completed, rather than when they kill the rats, like as if it was part of the reward.

Still, I also think that once a pirate is killed on a mission they stay dead even when you have to leave and come back for more. Ok some may see that as being a bit lame or me being a carebear or something, but think about it for a second. What person would do that on purpous? It only makes the mission longer anyway and you don't get a larger reward for it, so only a fool would exploit such a system anyway.

But I for one, and I am sure many others, hate it in the rare moments when I have to bug out before death, and go to a station to repair, knowing that I will have to deal with the full force again when I warp back. Something seem wrong there, as once a pirate in a group is dead, they should not beable to get reenfocements to them almost instantly. (except for roid rats)

Maybe this needs expanding a little? Like for example, in the kill mission description, the agent tells you how easy it is for the pirates to get more people in. Like "We estimate that their strength in the system would enable them to replace people in their group within xx-xx minutes/hours" and this can apply to when you are fighting them. So if you kill one of several pirates and it takes you longer to kill the remaining ones than their reenfocement quote, that pirate will respawn while you are fighting as if backup just warped in. So the key would be to kill them quickly. But if you have to warp out and repair, you have some time (not rediculously short either) to get back and finish the job. Once all pirates are dead, they cannot call for backup and they do not respawn.

Combine that with my idea on sec status gain being a set amount in the mission as part of the reward and you have a system that can be exploited, but for no reason other than to tempt fate.

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Well, I am not so sure how good or bad all this will be. I imagien it will work out fine. One thig I would like to see worked out is the rewards of ship bpcs being Mineral Efficience of ZERO. These are supposedly GOOD rewards but a cruiser ME 0 bpc is not at all cost effective. People do not want to buy em and they are not cost effective to build.

HEY Papa SMurf how about making single run bpc rewards me 5 or me 10???

Thanks

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Research Project Management, Criminal Connections and Media skills are all totaly absent from Chaos like TQ (not avaible or showing up on inactif).

Diplomacy and ScrapMetal Processing still only show as inactif item on chaos like on TQ, but still totaly unavaible.

And for thoses wondering, Flight Commander and Defense Coordinator skills got renamed to Guerrilla Tactics and Escort Tactics

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Papa, how about an agent checking if the player is currently in a gang and, if that's the case, and if he's about to create a kill mission, adjust the difficulty of the mission according to the number of people in the gang ?

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why not just implement a slider so everyone can set the mission difficulty level that suits him/her best?

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But I for one, and I am sure many others, hate it in the rare moments when I have to bug out before death, and go to a station to repair, knowing that I will have to deal with the full force again when I warp back. Something seem wrong there, as once a pirate in a group is dead, they should not beable to get reenfocements to them almost instantly. (except for roid rats)

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No I would say the npc corp have a bio. It would read like a quarterly report. It would show its advances and declines in products. It would show the concerns of the corp.

So players can read what the corp is about what items will be need as courier and what kinda kill missions are needed.

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I would like to see eve-mail from agents I have worked in the past and set a positive standing to. The amount and time would be based on my standing toward them. Make the mission unique where its time based at the time the eve mail is sent.

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Edited by: Elad Baan on 25/02/2004 06:57:48
Papa, how about an agent checking if the player is currently in a gang and, if that's the case, and if he's about to create a kill mission, adjust the difficulty of the mission according to the number of people in the gang ?

This rule can be modified but, basically, this would allow less powerful players to get hard missions they can do in groups, without having to work hard and get a high level agent (which gives harder missions, but to get there, it's likely that the player evolved too and is still powerful enough to do it by himsel). I'm always a little saddened to see that mission is always about solo gameplay, whereas we should favour newbies to get together and progress in groups (which what a corp is about, I agree, but a mission's giving you a goal - in a corp, you have to create your own goals, which is completely different).

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Some bugfixes to the agent-sends-char-to-hell sanity check. Agents should generally avoid sending you to locations with sec rating differing very much from their own system.

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