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LuzArius
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:07:00 -
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Wtf is this? Does that really say 23 days? Are you kidding me? I just got used to dealing with 3 or 4 days for level 5 skills and I can deal with that. But 23 days? Is this how new players are treated in EVE? WTF. I'm thinking twice about this game now. The game is fun but now with this it seems it will take too long before I can really enjoy EVE. Thanks a lot CCP, I'm consider playing another mmorpg now.
I trained my learning skills to 5/4 and I have +3 implants. This is stupid I have to wait so long.
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:09:00 -
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heheheheheheheeeeee ..... try fleet command 5 matey, you would just burst into tears
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Dedan Fusion
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:09:00 -
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Thats like uhm... nothing really compared to other level 5 skills
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Marux
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:09:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:09:00 -
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I guess it is a part of the game. You could suggest CCP to give us ISKs for SP feature. It would be handy. :)
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:10:00 -
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Having a skill at level five as opposed to level four does not mean you're suddenly going to have fun. The difference is rarely that noticeable. Granted, sometimes it can spell the difference between life and death in PVP, but as a "new player" you won't have to worry about that yet. Trust me, once you're addicted, 23 days will be a walk in the park.
Find another skill to train, you'll be happy.
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Marux
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I guess it is a part of the game. You could suggest CCP to give us ISKs for SP feature. It would be handy. :)
That would be the biggest flamefest ever 
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Constantinee
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Radioactive Babe
heheheheheheheeeeee ..... try fleet command 5 matey, you would just burst into tears
try jdc 5...with over 26 points across
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LuzArius
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
Heavy Drones 5 unlocks tech 2 ogre's, I need those drones in order to compete with veteran players in EVE. But I didn't know it was going to take 23 f'ing days.
As far as i'm concerned my loyalty to EVE is bare minimum. As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
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Voolrath
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:12:00 -
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Nobody said this was an easy, quick or instantly rewarding game. It is a long term experience made for people who donŠt like being taken by the hand and rather think by themselves. It took me 33 days to do Heavy drones V when I decided to start and I didnt go back to WoW with tears in my eyes...
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Dedan Fusion
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:13:00 -
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Patience is not your strong side. Eve is about patience, really.
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Zoon Muidac
Vanguard Frontiers
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:15:00 -
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boohoo, go play something else then.
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busta nut
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:16:00 -
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i dont see how you NEED t2 drones to compete, but meh, if its worth having its worth waiting a while for, and if your not the patient type, then eve probably isnt the game for you, so....
can i have yr stuff?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
Heavy Drones 5 unlocks tech 2 ogre's, I need those drones in order to compete with veteran players in EVE. But I didn't know it was going to take 23 f'ing days.
As far as i'm concerned my loyalty to EVE is bare minimum. As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
I still don't have t2 heavies, I feel like I am competing fine. 
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
I'd just like to say that their "stupid" system is what draws me, and probably a lot of other people who don't have time to sit in front of a PC for hours upon hours a day leveling skills to EVE in the first place.
Good Riddance.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:17:00 -
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Can I have your char?
Originally by: RedFall
How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Sebesto
Minmatar
Destination Unknown
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sebesto on 15/10/2007 23:17:12
The level of the skill doesn't matter. The rank does. Heavy Drone Op is a rank 5 skill, so it takes 5 times as long as a rank 1 skill. No point in having all skills be 5 days to level 5 for every skill because then everyone would be flying titans.
Can I have your stuff? Dr Paithos can have the character.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:17:00 -
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To be honest, this game isn't meant for those who want the game to be fast and easy. I'd rather have a devoted fanbase of 30,000 than 1,000,000 players who aren't as loyal. It's like a tobacco company. You'd rather have the one addict than the ten casual smokers.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:18:00 -
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Pick another damn skill you stupid newb.
23 days is something for us old guys to throw on, you nublets need to focus on your mechanic, navigation, and all those other dinky trains before you even start considering 5+ DAY TRAINS.
Jesus, you dont see anyone else ***** ing, do you?
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Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:18:00 -
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If you are going to quit a game because a skill takes too long maybe this game isn't for you. This game is made for people who intend on playing for a long time (whether that is a year or 4 years or more? ;) )
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:18:00 -
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Whenever I don't like a game, I don't play it. You can't expect every game to be perfect for everybody...
If you have a serious problem with training skills which take that long, you'll never be able to enjoy this game.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:18:00 -
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Its called 'specialisation'. Within a moderate rate of time you could probably train a vast number of skills to level IV, and you'd be moderately good at all of them.
But, there should be a 'wall to climb' if you want to specialise in a specific area (e.g drones) otherwise everyone would have ogre IIs or the equivalent.
So this is where you have to start making the tough choices. Do you spend a month trg to use T2 Heavy drones, or a month to fly that interceptor you've had your eye on...?
It's not easy making those choices but ultimately thats the way it goes.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:18:00 -
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So 23 days to compete with veteran players, eh? Doesn't sound that bad.
You are looking at this the entirely wrong way. Ofcourse if you come from games such as WoW, where you want instant upgrade or whatever, then it sounds bad.
However, if you think about it, your character actually becomes better, even while you are offline. Hell, you can sleep for 23 days, and when you come back, he is better. I haven't seen that happen in WoW, UO, or EQ. This means that people with less playtime actually gains skills at the same time as hardcore players. This is a great and unique feature in EVE.
Also, cut the whining crap about "this how you are treating new players". No one is forcing you to train it to rank 5. There are veteran players out there who haven't trained that skill to rank 5 either, so no it's not a mandatory skill. It's good, but it's up to you whether it's worth the wait or not.
And good luck finding another game.
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Anarkia Evangel
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
Heavy Drones 5 unlocks tech 2 ogre's, I need those drones in order to compete with veteran players in EVE. But I didn't know it was going to take 23 f'ing days.
As far as i'm concerned my loyalty to EVE is bare minimum. As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
lol you make it sound like only noobs have to train the long skills, coupon we all have to train that to 5 to use t2 heavys.
Oh and like any MMORPG you cant become as strong as a Vet over night, but unlike any other MMORPG you can kill a Vet no matter your character age.
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinee
Originally by: Radioactive Babe
heheheheheheheeeeee ..... try fleet command 5 matey, you would just burst into tears
try jdc 5...with over 26 points across
pah, jdc is merely a 9x multiplier skill ... FC5 a 12x multiplier skill = 73 days on my unimplanted clone 
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:22:00 -
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I have three characters, and I've played over a year. None of my characters have that skill.
It may be useful, especially if you're Gallente, but you don't need any one skill to succeed or to "compete with older players".
You might be better looking at your tactics, if you're talking about PVP, or if we're talking missions you might want to look at more innovative ways of making ISK. You seem frustrated with waiting.
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Mira Spellholde
Amarr
Griffin Inc.
Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mira Spellholde on 15/10/2007 23:23:33
Abloo bloo bloo.
Know why I like long skills? So I can train them when im on vacation, working away from a PC for a long time, or just not playing EVE atm. Also kinda nice to set a long skill to train, so I don't have to come back every few hours (for lower lvl skills anyways) to set a new skill.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:22:00 -
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Learn learning skills newb.
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
Heavy Drones 5 unlocks tech 2 ogre's, I need those drones in order to compete with veteran players in EVE. But I didn't know it was going to take 23 f'ing days.
As far as i'm concerned my loyalty to EVE is bare minimum. As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
2004 character and don't have access to Ogre IIs Never needed them back in fleet ops days.
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Hellown
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:26:00 -
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waaaaaaaaaaaa? T2 items SHOULD take a long time to train for, otherwise every noob would have them, and well, the vets would have nothing to make them better than the newbies like yourself.
BTW i think someone already said it but.....
Stuff, can i have it?
Hellown.
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Quan Ko
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:28:00 -
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RTFM isn't in your vocabulary eh?
Go back to wow.
I don't want your stuff.
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Tyrus Ex
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
Don't hold your breath on that "FFA PVP + PVP looting" bit in another game.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:31:00 -
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Why does a Noob need T2 ogres? I don't even have T2 ogres. 
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrus Ex
Originally by: LuzArius
As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
Don't hold your breath on that "FFA PVP + PVP looting" bit in another game.
I heard tell that Warhammer Online has plans along those lines.
I do hope it's true.
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Wtf is this? Does that really say 23 days? Are you kidding me?
Cry some more. I trained it and memory is my lowest attribute.
You don't need Ogre IIs to contend with anybody. Train some USEFUL, UNIVERSALLY HELPFUL level 5 skills first (Energy Management, Energy Systems Operation) first and then train EXTREMELY SPECIFIC level 5 skills (Heavy drones 5) when you actually feel the need to dedicate to that kind of junk.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Why does a Noob need T2 ogres? I don't even have T2 ogres.
I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
I heard tell that Warhammer Online has plans along those lines.
I do hope it's true.
Its not. Realm vs Realm with some sort of spawned battlegrounds where NPCs will spawn to even out the sides was the last I heard on Warhammer PvP. Which you know, works for the War Hammer universe but it won't be like EVE.
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 15/10/2007 23:35:55
Originally by: SN3263827
Originally by: Ridley Tree
Why does a Noob need T2 ogres? I don't even have T2 ogres.
I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
I see what you did there 
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Edited by: LuzArius on 15/10/2007 23:12:06
Heavy Drones 5 unlocks tech 2 ogre's, I need those drones in order to compete with veteran players in EVE. But I didn't know it was going to take 23 f'ing days.
As far as i'm concerned my loyalty to EVE is bare minimum. As soon as another decent mmorpg comes out with FFA PVP + PVP looting i'm ditching this game in a heartbeat.
CCP are you reading this? Hope you are happy with your stupid skill training rules.
Check the bolded part... guess what makes em veterans when any angry newb with a low self esteem angst can catch up real quick.
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Madhatters Inc.
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:38:00 -
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Don't care about your stuff but I would really like my 23seconds of life back.
BeBye!
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LuzArius
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:39:00 -
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I'm an FFA PVP'er and I enjoy pvp looting, it sucks that i'm forced to deal with the BS in this game just because I have no other game to play that caters my style. This sucks. I wish another mmorpg company would make an FFA PVP game with pvp looting so I can ditch this Piece of trash game called eve. I can see that in the future I can have fun with eve but for the first 9 months i'm gonna be a sh*t noob and I HATE THAT. Why do i have to wait sooo frickin long.
I just downloaded evemon and AWWWW MAN.. NoooooO! I just laid out my gameplan.
9 Months... I have to wait 9 months before I can have a solid character with all my bases covered.
Why CCP?
WHY
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:40:00 -
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OMG IZ KWIT CUZ I DUNT HAS HEVY DROONS 5!
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MiIes Naismith
Amarr
Guru Clan
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
Wtf is this? Does that really say 23 days? Are you kidding me? I just got used to dealing with 3 or 4 days for level 5 skills and I can deal with that. But 23 days? Is this how new players are treated in EVE? WTF. I'm thinking twice about this game now. The game is fun but now with this it seems it will take too long before I can really enjoy EVE. Thanks a lot CCP, I'm consider playing another mmorpg now.
I trained my learning skills to 5/4 and I have +3 implants. This is stupid I have to wait so long.
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LOL whiner try having to have it done back in the day before implants even existed and before advanced learning skills
you think it gets easier on older players but capital ships 5 for a good skill planted and atrrib char still takes over two months eve helps new players in that with the skill system it only takes so long to say master tech 2 ogres once its done its done there is no more. ie when a vet is on a LONG train ur newb ass can catch up on smaller stuff. also dont expect to catch up to the versatility of older characters these days if you want to be competetive you have to specialize and spend a few months doing it in that few months youll gain the same skill as a vet in that area
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: MITSUK0 on 15/10/2007 23:44:26
Also the game would be pointless if you got all skills at level 5 right out of the box.
If you really want it that bad then get farming. Farm farm farm like a true wow pro.
Then buy a char with heavy drones 5 and enjoy your slight dps advantage.
(and then get owned by someone who played the hard way and see your setup posted in a comedy killmail post for great lulz)
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LuzArius
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: MITSUK0
OMG IZ KWIT CUZ I DUNT HAS HEVY DROONS 5!
YOU DAMN RIGHT I WANT HEAVY DRONES 5.....
MAN i'm sooo ****ed. I want them NOW. I don't mind waiting 10 days maybe.. BUT F, 24 days is almost a month.
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Paladineguru
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius
I'm an FFA PVP'er and I enjoy pvp looting, it sucks that i'm forced to deal with the BS in this game just because I have no other game to play that caters my style. This sucks. I wish another mmorpg company would make an FFA PVP game with pvp looting so I can ditch this Piece of trash game called eve. I can see that in the future I can have fun with eve but for the first 9 months i'm gonna be a sh*t noob and I HATE THAT. Why do i have to wait sooo frickin long.
I just downloaded evemon and AWWWW MAN.. NoooooO! I just laid out my gameplan.
9 Months... I have to wait 9 months before I can have a solid character with all my bases covered.
Why CCP?
WHY
i call bull **** you can be in a pvp tackling t1 frigate and if you willing to fight just for fun like you say most alliances will try a newer player out once a few basics are met
to me you seem like the 12 year old " help my panties are in a twist cause i cant get a i win hack :( kind of guy
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Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:45:00 -
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OMG.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:46:00 -
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Dear Op,
Learn2Play.
- The Greater EVE Community
P.S. - If you need to be 'uber', fly a ship with a drone bay that fits T2 scout drones.
P.P.S. - Heavy ECM drones don't require Heavy Drone Operation V to use.
P.P.P.S. - The cool kids carry Berserker IIs, not Ogre IIs.
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The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:47:00 -
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Why would anyone post like this?
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:47:00 -
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We all had to train from virtually nothing. Most of us started with a lot less skillpoints than you get now, and had to train the rank 1 learning skills to 5 to train the Advanced learnings to boot.
Basically, you're moaning about an intrinsic part of the game. If you really don't want to wait then you can buy a character. Either way you've subjected me to Verone ranting on vent, so thanks.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827
Either way you've subjected me to Verone ranting on vent, so thanks.
Aye
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827
We all had to train from virtually nothing. Most of us started with a lot less skillpoints than you get now, and had to train the rank 1 learning skills to 5 to train the Advanced learnings to boot.
Basically, you're moaning about an intrinsic part of the game. If you really don't want to wait then you can buy a character. Either way you've subjected me to Verone ranting on vent, so thanks.
It takes 5 days to train "SN's name understanding" to V wtf
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ISD Rauth Kivaro
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:51:00 -
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Look, Mr. Bubbles- this thread's turning into an ANGEL!
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:53:00 -
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Man, are you ever going to be disappointed when you get them.
Try this on for size : Open up Evemon and plan for an Archon, Fighters 4 and Jump drive calibration 3. Weep.
You're kind of missing the point of EvE (although at this point, I'm about 80% sure you're a troll). The point of EvE is to play EvE. NOT to grind the treadmill. There is no power levelling (though some might argue the quest for isk is the equivalent).
You should use your skill plan as a journey as much as a goal. Hell, I love fiddling with Evemon endlessly and tweaking my plan.
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