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BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:59:00 - [31] Cheers Jim, I guess you use cap relays rather than other cap mods. My recharge time is about the same as you, but my overall cap is quite a bit less. At work at the mo so can't check, but don't cap relays take -25% shield recharge? so thats why you have the overall cap? If you use 5 cap relays, does that not give you problems with shield recharge rate then? or do you use some other cap mod? I think thats my prob, where i am useing type-e cap mods, they take off something like 11% of my max cap. Think my cap sits about 3750/215. thats why i run a L instead of XL. Sorry just give me a kick if i'm going in circles !
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:04:00 - [32] Quote: Cheers Jim, I guess you use cap relays rather than other cap mods. My recharge time is about the same as you, but my overall cap is quite a bit less. At work at the mo so can't check, but don't cap relays take -25% shield recharge? so thats why you have the overall cap? If you use 5 cap relays, does that not give you problems with shield recharge rate then? or do you use some other cap mod? I think thats my prob, where i am useing type-e cap mods, they take off something like 11% of my max cap. Think my cap sits about 3750/215. thats why i run a L instead of XL. Sorry just give me a kick if i'm going in circles ! shield recharge rate is useless, it's already an insanely high number, all the relays do is make it worse than it is, but it's already so bad it never benefits you in combat. a shield booster is obviously much more powerful and a much faster way to regenerate your shields oh and uh i see you use a MWD on you raven if your cap is that low, that is lower than default cap, i really dont like MWDs on bships for pvp, you uhm, tend to run out of cap really fast and get owned. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:15:00 - [33] Nope don't use mwd's on my ravan. Ah i see now, yeah i know what you mean, the normal shield recharge rate is a bit of a dumb figure. I will swap my cap mods for cap relays then, should make a big difference to my overall cap. So with you current cap figure, can you run all boosters etc constantly?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:19:00 - [34] Quote: Nope don't use mwd's on my ravan. Ah i see now, yeah i know what you mean, the normal shield recharge rate is a bit of a dumb figure. I will swap my cap mods for cap relays then, should make a big difference to my overall cap. So with you current cap figure, can you run all boosters etc constantly? The XL drains me fast, but it regenerates so many shields you don't have to run it constantly, the large you'd probably have to run constantly to keep your shields up, the XL regenerates and handles damage much more efficiently. DONT USE CAP FLUX COILS they completely suck, they are utter trash, really there's almost no NET gain in regeneration from using them. Recycle them all and buy some cap relays, they cost next to nothing, pick some up in Luminaire or something. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:28:00 - [35] hehe, jim gets emotional over cap mods !! yeah i have loadsa relays kicking around, will chuck em on tonight. I used to use an XL, once i have changed to relays, i will put one on again. Thanks for the advice jim. Hmmm tries to think of some other questions .......
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.02.26 15:23:00 - [36] Hahahahah cap flux mods are among the worst modules in existence :P And type-e is worse than a standard... http://eve.klaki.net/
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:12:00 - [37] Quote: DONT USE CAP FLUX COILS they completely suck, they are utter trash. But, Jim, how about using Shield flux coils then? M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Sarena Sparrow	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:15:00 - [38] Quote: High 2 425 Rail guns 6 Missle Launchers Mid 1 Lrg. Shield Booster 1 Lrg Shield Extender 2 Med. Shield Extenders 1 MWD 1 sensor Booster Low 2 CPU Booster 3 Overdrives R U Serious? 2x 425 Rail or 250 Rail 6X Seige or H-50 1XLrge Shield Booster 2XEM Ward 2XHeat Dissapation 1XBallistic Deflection 2xWarp Core Stab 2xCap Relay 1XCPU
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:28:00 - [39] Quote: Quote: DONT USE CAP FLUX COILS they completely suck, they are utter trash. But, Jim, how about using Shield flux coils then? people using that module should just self destruct and get it over with ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:28:00 - [40] I did not read all the answers to the post. But heres my view: 2x 1400mm (low cpu need compared to hybrids) 6x h-50 launchers (or better if u wanna risk the expensive modules in a PvP) 1x xL Shield Booster 2x Shield booster amp. 3x shiled hardernes of our choice or 2 with a Signal amp. or warp disruptor 5x cap relay There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Baun	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:52:00 - [41] I dont think an X-L booster will be viable after the cap power relay nerf. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:56:00 - [42] Quote: I dont think an X-L booster will be viable after the cap power relay nerf. Ravens weapons use no cap, so why not? Large shield boosters do not keep up with damage very well at all. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Baun	Posted - 2004.02.26 19:17:00 - [43] Well, perhaps just with the setup I am using right now it will not be viable. I do know that I can only hold a large booster and 4 hardeners for 3 minutes with 4 diags instead of 5 cap power relays. This makes me think i wont be able to get much out of an X-L booster (even without constant use). In any case, a large c5-l with an amp keeps up quite well. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 19:24:00 - [44] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/02/2004 19:32:05 Quote: Well, perhaps just with the setup I am using right now it will not be viable. I do know that I can only hold a large booster and 4 hardeners for 3 minutes with 4 diags instead of 5 cap power relays. This makes me think i wont be able to get much out of an X-L booster (even without constant use). In any case, a large c5-l with an amp keeps up quite well. Well, even with Energy Management 5, Energy Systems 5, and 5 Cap Relays an XL C5-L still drains my cap like crazy and will bring me to zero cap.. I don't think any amount of regeneration can keep up with a XL. You basically have to babysit a XL booster, you obviously can't run it constantly like you can a large booster. I generally run my XL till I am about 50% cap then turn it off, that usually gets me to a comfortable level of shielding and at 50% your capacitator regerates the fastest it seems. The advantage of the XL is that it's more efficient and faster shield renegeration over the Large. I have found that the Large C5-L simply doesn't keep up with damage, it's simply not fast enough, battleships tend to deal more damage than it can restore. Sure it uses way more cap, but you don't have to use it nearly as much. I don't think I could go back to a large shield booster honestly. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Baun	Posted - 2004.02.26 19:39:00 - [45] No doubt you have to babysit it. My gripe is that it will drain my cap far too fast and that if you make even one mistake with the x-l use you could be dooming yourself. You are right though it is more efficient ... guess i will have to give it another look. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Negotiator Navy	Posted - 2004.02.26 22:01:00 - [46] i used to have a cap injector on the scorp...now i use blasters so i run out of powergrid, but when ur setup strictly for PvP, cap injector might work on a raven...considering u use 6 seige launchers..
BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.26 22:48:00 - [47] Right changed my cap mods to 5 relays, alot better now, can't quite fit an XL (3cpu points out !! argh!)but then one more lvl 5 training will sort that out i guess. Actually a usefull ravan post for once, nice one guys
Cindy Goodwill	Posted - 2004.02.27 01:08:00 - [48] Jim: why a Carbide 425mm and not a prototype? i compared their stats on chaos and Prototypes seem to be better than Carbides, or did i look wrong? ----------------------------------------------- Watch my leet everchanging dynamic signature \o/ http://www.games-on.nl/~cu2moro/evesigphp/icon.php?blaat=.GIF
Znaei	Posted - 2004.02.27 07:53:00 - [49] Quote: Jim: why a Carbide 425mm and not a prototype? i compared their stats on chaos and Prototypes seem to be better than Carbides, or did i look wrong? You are right. But 425mm proto are VERY rare and VERY expensive. Carbides are a low cost repacement. clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh
Lucas De'Thal	Posted - 2004.02.27 09:36:00 - [50] Quote: High 2 425 Rail guns 6 Missle Launchers Mid 1 Lrg. Shield Booster 1 Lrg Shield Extender 2 Med. Shield Extenders 1 MWD 1 sensor Booster Low 2 CPU Booster 3 Overdrives you're just trying to get him killed with a setup like that. (i really hope you don't use this setup...cause it's called, just not paying attention) ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004 hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004
BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.27 10:53:00 - [51] Well looks like i need more cash so i can go and buy a few rares! Anyway a commen setup for me is : ò 2x 425 Rails ò 6x Heavy launchers ò L Sheild Booster ò Anointed ward ò Thermal barrier ò 2x Hardners ò Sheild Boost Amp ò 5x Cap Relays This setup i can run constantly, a few cpu points out from fitting a XL, may fit another activated hardner on in place of one of the static ones? Anyway how does this look?
Teeth	Posted - 2004.02.27 13:11:00 - [52] Quote: Jim: why a Carbide 425mm and not a prototype? i compared their stats on chaos and Prototypes seem to be better than Carbides, or did i look wrong? Not sure but I think Carbide have lower fitting requirements.
Michaeleen Flynn	Posted - 2004.02.27 13:18:00 - [53] Quote: Jim: why a Carbide 425mm and not a prototype? i compared their stats on chaos and Prototypes seem to be better than Carbides, or did i look wrong? Because the Carbides use less CPU and less cap and I got them for free while the Prototypes would have run me 60-80 million.. considering I only use 2 turrets, that's a lot of money to spend 2/8ths of my offense.. (this is raynor, other account has been banned from forum for some reason, our lovely moderators wont answer my email saying why exactly)
Jarjar	Posted - 2004.02.27 13:19:00 - [54] The only shield hardeners worth using are the active ones. I'd go with something very similar to Jim's setup but with a bit cheaper equipment if possible
Zarthan	Posted - 2004.02.27 14:23:00 - [55] Quote: Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/02/2004 13:47:47 Quote: Do u have a setup for ppl that can¦t afford ultra rare siege launchers or rails, jim? drop the seige arbs and go for heavy arbs, same thing, just more reloading, use a normal xl booster instead of a rare xl booster, should have enough cpu for that, use as many shield hardeners as you can, use a shield amp, maybe drop the 425mm for 1400mm howitzers, though i do like the 425mm now.. 5 cap relays for low slots, of course yep howitzers are a much better choice if you can't get carbide or proto 425's. That rare xl booster can help a ton with cap drain usage thou. _______________________________________________________ Get custom sigs and graphics done here Unforgivn Website
Michaeleen Flynn	Posted - 2004.02.27 14:32:00 - [56] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/02/2004 13:47:47 Quote: Do u have a setup for ppl that can¦t afford ultra rare siege launchers or rails, jim? drop the seige arbs and go for heavy arbs, same thing, just more reloading, use a normal xl booster instead of a rare xl booster, should have enough cpu for that, use as many shield hardeners as you can, use a shield amp, maybe drop the 425mm for 1400mm howitzers, though i do like the 425mm now.. 5 cap relays for low slots, of course yep howitzers are a much better choice if you can't get carbide or proto 425's. That rare xl booster can help a ton with cap drain usage thou. Ya the reason I really don't use 1400mm howitzers is because of the powergrid, the seige launchers + 2 1400mm would require one or two RCU or atleast 3 Power Diagnostics, I think. (you can do the math if you want)
Baun	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:23:00 - [57] Quote: Well looks like i need more cash so i can go and buy a few rares! Anyway a commen setup for me is : ò 2x 425 Rails ò 6x Heavy launchers ò L Sheild Booster ò Anointed ward ò Thermal barrier ò 2x Hardners ò Sheild Boost Amp ò 5x Cap Relays This setup i can run constantly, a few cpu points out from fitting a XL, may fit another activated hardner on in place of one of the static ones? Anyway how does this look? If you have Energy Systems lvl5 you should be able to run this constantly with 4 active hardeners .. i know I can. The Enemy's Gate is Down
GunnyP	Posted - 2004.02.27 17:04:00 - [58] Edited by: GunnyP on 27/02/2004 17:06:52 Quote: Quote: Jim: why a Carbide 425mm and not a prototype? i compared their stats on chaos and Prototypes seem to be better than Carbides, or did i look wrong? You are right. But 425mm proto are VERY rare and VERY expensive. Carbides are a low cost repacement. I have to agree. I have also compaired the Carbide to the Compressed Coil, and the difference in performance vs. price... the Coil's were just not worth the extra isk. The Carbides rock IMHO. Try 6 on a Megathron some time... very nice.
Zodiack	Posted - 2004.02.27 17:12:00 - [59] Quote: Quote: High 2 425 Rail guns 6 Missle Launchers Mid 1 Lrg. Shield Booster 1 Lrg Shield Extender 2 Med. Shield Extenders 1 MWD 1 sensor Booster Low 2 CPU Booster 3 Overdrives you're just trying to get him killed with a setup like that. (i really hope you don't use this setup...cause it's called, just not paying attention) Please read the post and just don't scan... no one told him to use this setup.
BloodKlaw	Posted - 2004.02.27 20:36:00 - [60] Quote: Quote: Well looks like i need more cash so i can go and buy a few rares! Anyway a commen setup for me is : ò 2x 425 Rails ò 6x Heavy launchers ò L Sheild Booster ò Anointed ward ò Thermal barrier ò 2x Hardners ò Sheild Boost Amp ò 5x Cap Relays This setup i can run constantly, a few cpu points out from fitting a XL, may fit another activated hardner on in place of one of the static ones? Anyway how does this look? If you have Energy Systems lvl5 you should be able to run this constantly with 4 active hardeners .. i know I can. Don't have energy systems at 5 yet, on my must do list though. Along with every other skill known to man. Saying that though, i have put on another active hardner and can still run everything for ages.

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