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Captain Vinar
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:29:00 -
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I just got my Raven and was curious what is the best setup..
Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking and go in.
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) |
Merc4
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:55:00 -
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High
2 425 Rail guns
6 Missle Launchers
Mid
1 Lrg. Shield Booster
1 Lrg Shield Extender
2 Med. Shield Extenders
1 MWD
1 sensor Booster
Low
2 CPU Booster
3 Overdrives
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LitLBunnyFooFoo
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:11:00 -
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I just got my Raven and was curious what is the best setup..
Well Vinar that would depend what you plan to do with it. If you're going to npc hunt, I am working on a good setup right now, but it appears a 3-5 or a 4-4 setup is perfect for npc hunting. (3-5 = 3, 425rails, and 5 launchers, or 4-4 = 4, 425rails, 4 launchers)
For PvP 6 launchers and 2 û 425rails a must, or if you feel more comfortable you can use the 3-5 setup it to works well.
Med slots, either tank or setup for ecw.
Low slots you will need a couple of cpu/co processors regardless of how you have it setup in both mid/hi slots. Whatever is left over you can increase your cap, or weps.
I don't know if I'm a huge fan of the Raven yet or not... There are alot of cool things about it, but there are more things that suck then I am willing to mention... You'll have to find that out over time!
Until Next Time...
Sincerely,
LitlBunnyFooFoo
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:13:00 -
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2x 425mm Carbide Railguns
6x Seige Arbalests
1x 'Annointed' EM Ward
1x Ditrigomal Thermal Barrier
1x Non-Inertial Ballastic Screen
1x Faint Epsilon Warp Inhibitor (or f90 Sensors)
1x XLarge C5-L Shield Booster
1x Shield Boost Amplifier
5x Capacitator Power Relays
That is, in my opinion, the best setup. ^^
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Captain Vinar
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:17:00 -
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Thanx.. Its a big change for me.. Im very much used to the Scorpian.
I have done a lot of mining and missions and hope to start learning PVP.
Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking and go in.
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) |
Eneroth
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Posted - 2004.02.23 21:33:00 -
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2x 425mm Carbide Railguns
6x Seige Arbalests
1x 'Annointed' EM Ward
1x Ditrigomal Thermal Barrier
1x Non-Inertial Ballastic Screen
1x Faint Epsilon Warp Inhibitor (or f90 Sensors)
1x XLarge C5-L Shield Booster
1x Shield Boost Amplifier
5x Capacitator Power Relays
That is, in my opinion, the best setup. ^^
:-) and expensive, but when u have a bs its good to spend isk on eq.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.02.23 22:16:00 -
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What jim said.
Large shield extenders are a waste of a slot btw.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.02.23 23:48:00 -
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High
2 425 Rail guns
6 Missle Launchers
Mid
1 Lrg. Shield Booster
1 Lrg Shield Extender
2 Med. Shield Extenders
1 MWD
1 sensor Booster
Low
2 CPU Booster
3 Overdrives
 welcome to deathville
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Dawson
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dawson on 24/02/2004 00:11:18
You think the cap relays are better then pds's on a raven?
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dawson on 24/02/2004 00:11:18
You think the cap relays are better then pds's on a raven?
They are better than pdu overall if you can use 5 relays, and better still if you are using a shield amp.
Also gives some nice flexibility if you are running a MWD, and use much less CPU.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.24 01:00:00 -
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High
2 425 Rail guns
6 Missle Launchers
Mid
1 Lrg. Shield Booster
1 Lrg Shield Extender
2 Med. Shield Extenders
1 MWD
1 sensor Booster
Low
2 CPU Booster
3 Overdrives
roflmao..
When will people learn the more you can reduce the incoming damage the better, increasing shield total wont make a difference if your still takin 100% damage.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.24 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 24/02/2004 01:40:11
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2x 425mm Carbide Railguns
6x Seige Arbalests
1x 'Annointed' EM Ward
1x Ditrigomal Thermal Barrier
1x Non-Inertial Ballastic Screen
1x Faint Epsilon Warp Inhibitor (or f90 Sensors)
1x XLarge C5-L Shield Booster
1x Shield Boost Amplifier
5x Capacitator Power Relays
That is, in my opinion, the best setup. ^^
Yup. That's the best possible overall setup.
For long range battle you want to use sensor booster instead of scrambler. And you may want to switch the amplifier, and maybe even the kinetic hardener, for sensor dampeners.
In some situation you may also want to switch the 2/6 highslot combo to 3/5 or 4/4 (in which case you'd have to use heavy launchers instead of siege).
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High
2 425 Rail guns
6 Missle Launchers
Mid
1 Lrg. Shield Booster
1 Lrg Shield Extender
2 Med. Shield Extenders
1 MWD
1 sensor Booster
Low
2 CPU Booster
3 Overdrives
This setup is completely useless.
1 Raven with the first setup would not just win, it would brutally******a group of 2 Ravens with the second setup.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:02:00 -
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2x 425mm Carbide Railguns
6x Seige Arbalests
1x 'Annointed' EM Ward
1x Ditrigomal Thermal Barrier
1x Non-Inertial Ballastic Screen
1x Faint Epsilon Warp Inhibitor (or f90 Sensors)
1x XLarge C5-L Shield Booster
1x Shield Boost Amplifier
5x Capacitator Power Relays
That is, in my opinion, the best setup. ^^
:-) and expensive, but when u have a bs its good to spend isk on eq.
About 96 million yes, setup costs more than the ship. The seige arbalests and xl c5-l are the really expensive items. :)
BTW, 425mm Carbides are so underrated, they are actually quite excellent for Ravens, they only use 26 cap per shot base (as opposed to 35 for 425mm stock) and use only 56tft, as opposed to 60-70 for the stock rails. Also I believe as the base cap use of the 425mm is reduced, this cap will be decreased even further, possibly down to 16 cap per shot with skills, not bad..
If you are a Raven pilot and dead set on using railguns, this is the rail of choice, it's a bargain at 8 million too.
I would use the 425mm Prototype Gauss if I had them, but the Carbide is an excellent alternative, and easily the best second choice.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 24/02/2004 03:09:38
id sack the non-inertial for a 2nd ward...also prolly sack one of the relays for a t2 gravi backup. i wonder if the 4th and the 5th relays add any considerable recharge rate...(/emote gets personal with the calculator, DND)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 24/02/2004 03:19:22
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Edited by: Negotiator on 24/02/2004 03:09:38
id sack the non-inertial for a 2nd ward...also prolly sack one of the relays for a t2 gravi backup. i wonder if the 4th and the 5th relays add any considerable recharge rate...(/emote gets personal with the calculator, DND)
What if a megathron with 425mm rails opens up on you though? :)
Oh neat, just checked Chaos, Raven has 4250 base armor/structure now.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:21:00 -
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then i would say ur sorta pwned...however, u still have 40% kin resistance tho...and like 60ish, 60 exp and 50-60 thermal. which is sorta well-rounded. btw Jim im going to get a raven too now, im getting rather bored with the scorp :)
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archangel sean
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:31:00 -
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Got a raven a few days, ago and was messing with the setup..
And although I tried various stuff, the low cpu on the raven limited it's setup.
Ended up with 2 425s, 6 limos heavies, xlarge, em, thermal, eccm, warp jam, mwd, relays.
I'm thinking about switching the mwd with kinetic and shove in some seige.
Question is, are stock siege better than limos heavy launchers?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:36:00 -
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Got a raven a few days, ago and was messing with the setup..
And although I tried various stuff, the low cpu on the raven limited it's setup.
Ended up with 2 425s, 6 limos heavies, xlarge, em, thermal, eccm, warp jam, mwd, relays.
I'm thinking about switching the mwd with kinetic and shove in some seige.
Question is, are stock siege better than limos heavy launchers?
In terms of ROF, no, in terms of capacity yes, in terms of fitting no.
You might want to try to get some lower end seige launchers, such as the Makluth.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.24 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 24/02/2004 03:51:57
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Edited by: Negotiator on 24/02/2004 03:09:38
id sack the non-inertial for a 2nd ward...also prolly sack one of the relays for a t2 gravi backup. i wonder if the 4th and the 5th relays add any considerable recharge rate...(/emote gets personal with the calculator, DND)
IMO, neither of these are good suggestion, Negotiator.
There is really only one ship that can beat a good raven pilot 1vs1. And that's a megathron with blasters. In that situation you really need a kinetic hardener.
Also, for gang fights, a Megathron with 425mm rails will deal more damage than any ship (except an armageddon using many RCU's to fit big guns).
So there's no way I'd switch 1-1-1-0 hardeners to 2-1-0-0.
The gravimetric backup is only useful for large fights. With 6 launchers for FoF missiles and 6 medslots, you don't have to fear being jammed in a 1vs1 fight. I've engaged Scorpions many times 1vs1 on both TQ and chaos. No way I can loose. He either warps away or is stupid enough to let me bump into him to prevent him from aligning for warp so that I can kill it. Without that shield amp you can get into some trouble. So in general, I wouldn't bother using ECCM on a raven.
And yes, the 4:th and 5:th relay makes a big difference. For a 1vs1 there is no other way to go than 5 relays. For large fight you may be better of switching some of them for other stuff.
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You might want to try to get some lower end seige launchers, such as the Makluth.
I'd absolutely go for a full set of heavy arbalests if you can't afford/find/fit siege arbalests.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.24 04:33:00 -
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i didnt know we where discussing 1v1 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:01:00 -
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Kinetic hardener is better than two EM for two reasons IMO:
Hybrids are once again getting boosts, people are putting 425mm railguns on Megathrons, and it's probably more powerful than apoc/tachyons now. With the 350mm Railgun coming out and reduction of powergrid on the 425mm, expect Dominix to make a comeback.. it should be a fairly powerful ship capable of dealing much damage now.
People have pretty much caught on to the fact everyone uses EM/Thermal hardeners so many of the missiles fired at you, tend to be kinetics.. I've always used wrath cruise missiles, and rarely does anyone have a kinetic hardener fitted.
Obviously most battleships don't have the luxury of fitting 3 hardeners + shield booster + amp + warpscrambler, but the Raven does, play your strengths.
Also lasers pretty much suck now, they're not as good as they used to be.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:39:00 -
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Jim's setup is very effective. I use something quite similiar.
If you are going for a heavier tanking role though simply put an Anointed in for the Warp Disruptor.
My question about Raven setups, however, is not what the best one is now, but rather what the best one will be once cap power relays are nerfed. This is obviously a question that applies to all battleships, but as I fly a Raven I am interested in getting peoples' take on it.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 24/02/2004 06:48:36
oops double posted apparently.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:44:00 -
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Jim's setup is very effective. I use something quite similiar.
If you are going for a heavier tanking role though simply put an Anointed in for the Warp Disruptor.
My question about Raven setups, however, is not what the best one is now, but rather what the best one will be once cap power relays are nerfed. This is obviously a question that applies to all battleships, but as I fly a Raven I am interested in getting peoples' take on it.
You'll have to sacrifice a low slot for a CPU upgrade and switch to power diagnostics.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:47:00 -
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That was my guess. The issue will then be that we can no longer run a large booster forever (or in your case an X-L for a long time).
The question is whether this means that we now have our shield tanking advantage back (retaking it from the Apoc), or if it actually reduces the comparative effectiveness of the Raven. My guess would be the former, despite our inability to shield tank for extended periods of time.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.02.24 12:36:00 -
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High
2 425 Rail guns
6 Missle Launchers
Mid
1 Lrg. Shield Booster
1 Lrg Shield Extender
2 Med. Shield Extenders
1 MWD
1 sensor Booster
Low
2 CPU Booster
3 Overdrives
overdrives? wtf!
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
BloodKlaw
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:10:00 -
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Hiya guys, not normally one for posting, but after reading this thread was curious on what cap recharge times people are getting on there ravan's? I run a tanking setup and have got a recharge time in the low 200's. this is with just a large shild booster not XL.
Any tricks worth knowing?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/02/2004 13:26:26
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Hiya guys, not normally one for posting, but after reading this thread was curious on what cap recharge times people are getting on there ravan's? I run a tanking setup and have got a recharge time in the low 200's. this is with just a large shild booster not XL.
Any tricks worth knowing?
5300 cap / 220 sec recharge give or take a few
considering the ravens strengths is it's shields, i would try to squeeze an XL on there, try purchasing a XL Clarity Ward while they're still kind of common, I do believe now that the Gurista bship static spawns are gone these modules will become much, much more rare
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:40:00 -
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Do u have a setup for ppl that can¦t afford ultra rare siege launchers or rails, jim?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/02/2004 13:47:47
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Do u have a setup for ppl that can¦t afford ultra rare siege launchers or rails, jim?
drop the seige arbs and go for heavy arbs, same thing, just more reloading, use a normal xl booster instead of a rare xl booster, should have enough cpu for that, use as many shield hardeners as you can, use a shield amp, maybe drop the 425mm for 1400mm howitzers, though i do like the 425mm now.. 5 cap relays for low slots, of course
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