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Maedoc	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:25:00 - [1] I've been playing Amarr for 6 months now, and I can already solo lvl4 missions and I have found ratting in low sec quite easy in an Assault Frigate. I know other players in corps who can't solo lvl4s and they are older than I am. I've never had issues with my character being handicapped by his laser damage. Capacitor issues suck, but hey train some skills and I now can perma tank with all 8 of my Mega Mods on and an active tank setup. Sure some of the Amarr ships aren't the best. Lots of people malign the Apocalypse, but its possibly the most capacitor steady Amarr ship. I was hammering through lvl4 missions with ease with a well fitted Apocalypse. Lately I have had some issues with being able to fight my way through some of the harder lvl4s but nothing a friend in a BC couldn't help with. Honestly I think the Amarr race is one of the best ratting races, for one HUGE reason, NO AMMO - thats it, no worries about ammo and a great tank too. Now I don't have numbers for my raw DPS or the amount of DPS my tank can take but I know that I like my Amarr pilot and that any changes they make will only make my pilot more Uber.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:33:00 - [2] Amarr are fine for missions or ratting against Sansha/Blood/Drones. Everyone is talking about PvP where amarr = lulz.
Gharr Rhinn	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:35:00 - [3] I'm not really of the opinion either way at this point. My guess however is that you are looking mostly at mission running. If you are doing most of your missions and even ratting in Amarr space, fighting Sansha or Guristas, then you are fighting against shield tanking enemies. Lasers rip through shield tanks. However there is a large percentage of pilots that armor tank. Amarr, Gallante and many minmatar are armor tanks. I think those that complain mostly complain about PvP. I've yet to judge myself. ~Gharr Rhinn
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:49:00 - [4] Edited by: Sc0rphion on 17/10/2007 00:49:46 ehhh I will tell my mom and CCP that you are trolling and posting thhing that not go with the Ships and modules YOu said suck... U are a TROLLER I WARN YOU if my mom Get angry she get angry CCP: Can i troll a troller? BTW : Dont hit me with the wand If you want to hit me Hit this guys posting things that he should not. Thanks Liang: HOW YOU CAN HIDE OF CCP MODforum? You have any cloack device? i want :(
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Sc0rphion Edited by: Sc0rphion on 17/10/2007 00:49:46 ehhh I will tell my mom and CCP that you are trolling and posting thhing that not go with the Ships and modules YOu said suck... U are a TROLLER I WARN YOU if my mom Get angry she get angry CCP: Can i troll a troller? BTW : Dont hit me with the wand If you want to hit me Hit this guys posting things that he should not. Thanks Liang: HOW YOU CAN HIDE OF CCP MODforum? You have any cloack device? i want :( This is your brain on drugs.
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:53:00 - [6] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Sc0rphion Edited by: Sc0rphion on 17/10/2007 00:49:46 ehhh I will tell my mom and CCP that you are trolling and posting thhing that not go with the Ships and modules YOu said suck... U are a TROLLER I WARN YOU if my mom Get angry she get angry CCP: Can i troll a troller? BTW : Dont hit me with the wand If you want to hit me Hit this guys posting things that he should not. Thanks Liang: HOW YOU CAN HIDE OF CCP MODforum? You have any cloack device? i want :( This is your brain on drugs. Ok i will send a message to CCP .... you are trolling
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:55:00 - [7] Who is trolling? I gave a reply to his question. You came in here and trolled me. I replied in a comedic fashion.
Teresa Delaflote Gallente FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:57:00 - [8] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Sc0rphion Edited by: Sc0rphion on 17/10/2007 00:49:46 ehhh I will tell my mom and CCP that you are trolling and posting thhing that not go with the Ships and modules YOu said suck... U are a TROLLER I WARN YOU if my mom Get angry she get angry CCP: Can i troll a troller? BTW : Dont hit me with the wand If you want to hit me Hit this guys posting things that he should not. Thanks Liang: HOW YOU CAN HIDE OF CCP MODforum? You have any cloack device? i want :( This is your brain on drugs. You win this thread.
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:58:00 - [9] i dont care... u are trolling i toke that like an insult... so that is trolling !! sorry
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:58:00 - [10] Originally by: shinsushi Who is trolling? I gave a reply to his question. You came in here and trolled me. I replied in a comedic fashion. Yer trollin' ya troll... so quit it. --------------

shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Sc0rphion i dont care... u are trolling i toke that like an insult... so that is trolling !! sorry \o/
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.17 01:00:00 - [12] Ready i told my mom and CCP that u was trolling me BTW wasnt for you anyway... was with the creator of the post DONT MAKE POST Of things numbs in a place that shouldnt be THAT IS OFF TOPIC
Maedoc	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:21:00 - [13] Ok, I apologize for posting this in the wrong section, perhaps I should have phrased it as why do people say Amarr warships suck? Regardless missioning and PVPing I've really not had any issues. Trolling? I think not.
Sc0rphion	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:25:00 - [14] Don't worry dude.. you are the first one that give apology for this... !! The trolling thing its for been like idiotic (myself) that was i bother a friend of CCP (in my believe) forun mod !! And he told me trolling becoz i was realistic making critics (some insults ;) ) about stupid question and posting and crazy guys that dont use search.. So sorry for telling you troller... its just quote CCP: saying STFU its trolling That its awasome
Maedoc	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:28:00 - [15] Haha, no skin off my nose ! -bored at work - its a good thing!
Dessich PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:44:00 - [16] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Sc0rphion i dont care... u are trolling i toke that like an insult... so that is trolling !! sorry \o/
Captain Rius Caldari ELITE SUPPORT SERVICE	Posted - 2007.10.17 02:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Maedoc Ok, I apologize for posting this in the wrong section, perhaps I should have phrased it as why do people say Amarr warships suck? Regardless missioning and PVPing I've really not had any issues. Trolling? I think not. I'm disappointed in you son.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:24:00 - [18] Best thread evah. Amarr has some decent PvP ships, but other races have more.
Litus Arowar Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.17 06:39:00 - [19] this is like a /b/ thread, it's amazing amarr weapons are in need of help... I think CCP is aware of this, and it's hopefully in the works now go back to /b/ Benn Helmsman> Could a mod give this guy a snip for constant insulting without giving any point to the topic?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Sc0rphion quote CCP: saying STFU its trolling That its awasome stfu. training skills... :(

Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Maedoc I've been playing Amarr for 6 months now, and I can already solo lvl4 missions and I have found ratting in low sec quite easy in an Assault Frigate. I know other players in corps who can't solo lvl4s and they are older than I am. I've never had issues with my character being handicapped by his laser damage. Capacitor issues suck, but hey train some skills and I now can perma tank with all 8 of my Mega Mods on and an active tank setup. Sure some of the Amarr ships aren't the best. Lots of people malign the Apocalypse, but its possibly the most capacitor steady Amarr ship. I was hammering through lvl4 missions with ease with a well fitted Apocalypse. Lately I have had some issues with being able to fight my way through some of the harder lvl4s but nothing a friend in a BC couldn't help with. Honestly I think the Amarr race is one of the best ratting races, for one HUGE reason, NO AMMO - thats it, no worries about ammo and a great tank too. Now I don't have numbers for my raw DPS or the amount of DPS my tank can take but I know that I like my Amarr pilot and that any changes they make will only make my pilot more Uber. Err, your post could use some paragraphs, it would be easier to read... You used Amarr ships for 6 months? Fine. Now spend a month training for a Raven, and then you'll realise just how faster it is for most missions, you'll see how EM damage type on your lasers is hurting you. About PvP, you have the damage type issue, AND the lack of mid slots, AND again the extreme vulnerability to electronic warfare. Beam setups fitting issues are sugar on top... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Maedoc I've been playing Amarr for 6 months now, and I can already solo lvl4 missions and I have found ratting in low sec quite easy in an Assault Frigate. I know other players in corps who can't solo lvl4s and they are older than I am. I've never had issues with my character being handicapped by his laser damage. Capacitor issues suck, but hey train some skills and I now can perma tank with all 8 of my Mega Mods on and an active tank setup. Sure some of the Amarr ships aren't the best. Lots of people malign the Apocalypse, but its possibly the most capacitor steady Amarr ship. I was hammering through lvl4 missions with ease with a well fitted Apocalypse. Lately I have had some issues with being able to fight my way through some of the harder lvl4s but nothing a friend in a BC couldn't help with. Honestly I think the Amarr race is one of the best ratting races, for one HUGE reason, NO AMMO - thats it, no worries about ammo and a great tank too. Now I don't have numbers for my raw DPS or the amount of DPS my tank can take but I know that I like my Amarr pilot and that any changes they make will only make my pilot more Uber. It does not matter what what you and I or anyone thinks. The best ship of each class i determined by the amount of people flying it. This is pretty much true for all games. Something suck = people dont fly it. Something owns = people fly it. Now tell me wich BCs are the most flown? Wich cruisers are the most flown? Wich HACs are the most flown? Wich interceptor is most flown? Wich AF is most flown? You get the point yet?
Isan Danderoda Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:59:00 - [23] So I take it that the omnitank nerf (basically raising the requirements on EANM and EANMII) didn't help much in the way of making lasers more worthwhile in PvP?
DrkKing	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:01:00 - [24] can we have this crop dude banned already Help your fellow pirate
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Isan Danderoda So I take it that the omnitank nerf (basically raising the requirements on EANM and EANMII) didn't help much in the way of making lasers more worthwhile in PvP? Uhm I have no trouble fitting EANM same way as before and Im amarr...
Cotton Tail Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:43:00 - [26] The EANM fitting nerf didn't really solve the problem of the omni tank, people either go for faction/lower req EANMs or the ship already had excess CPU. The omni tank is a slight problem, but Amarr really are not as bad as people make them out to be. They do have their problem ships (as most races do), and their lack of mid slots means that they have a hard time fitting the popular pvp mid pre-reqs of a MWD, scrambler, injector + web. They're not particularly flexible, and can't be used as effectively in the common approach to solo/small gang pvp as gallente/minmatar. They can still be great though, just check out amarr vids like Cown's series and you'll see that they're in no way useless. That being said, EM damamge resists are somewhat too high on armour, which is painful as lasers tend to do more em damage than they do thermal. One suggestion I like is simply to swap the damage values of thermal/em around on lasers. Fitting is also rather tight on several amarr ships, which is a bit of a leftover from the days when lasers were over the top and used as the primary weapon system for any ship with turrets. It's certainly not impossible to come up with good amarr setups though, but they do have a hard time fitting their largest size of turrets than other races do comparatively. People whine that Amarr ships only have a single bonus due to the Cap amount bonus, but it is really a mental problem more than a real problem. Lasers do a lot of damage on unbonused ships, and are positvely nasty on ships with a single/multiple bonus. I'd advise someone to try out an absolution with command ship 5, it really can rip through it's targets with ease.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:44:00 - [27] Amarr "suck" for one reason. Lasers do mainly EM/therm. Not that many rat types are EM/therm weak. Fortunately Amarr missions give primarily these rat types. Armor tankers have naturally high EM resists, often propped up by EANMs Shield tankers, knowing they're naturally EM-weak, always fit EM hardeners if they have room. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:53:00 - [28] Originally by: shinsushi Amarr are fine for missions or ratting against Sansha/Blood/Drones. Everyone is talking about PvP where amarr = lulz. Will you do an AE bonus stage solo ? And how many months will you need ? Abaddon is the best Sansha /Blood Ratter OP : Amarr good ships are : Abaddon , Aeon , Archcon , Revelation , Crusader , Sacrilege , Vengeance . The rest of them are lulz . Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:04:00 - [29] Amarr's lack of midslots = Sucky PvP. And lasers = Pure suck! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The A in Amarr seems to stands for Adapt...
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:12:00 - [30] It is not like they are bad, they just lack traits to make them better compared to other races... in PvP and ratting.

kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:26:00 - [31] Originally by: iiOs I alwayes liked amarr for some reason thats cus there good. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Yadee	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:14:00 - [32] Any other amarr vids except Cown's vids ? Particulary interested in non-abaddon amarr vids
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Yadee Particulary interested in non-abaddon amarr vids Good luck. Only thing youll find are arbitrator movies, and who knows how many arbitrators that person has lost before he actually got those "cool" kills in that thing. Id sure like to see anything except plate abaddon station camp and cheap arbi cruiser trick of faith movies. Prolly not gonna find many... Where are the correspondant solo amarr HAC pwns? Amarr AF solo pwns? Nada, nothing, nowhere...
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:06:00 - [34] as we are on the subject, what do you think the best pvp race/ships are? I dunno, I like amarr, the zealots quite nice and so is the apoc, but ive multi trained across all races. It seems the vaga is a choice ship for alot of people We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in space, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:12:00 - [35] Originally by: kessah Originally by: iiOs I alwayes liked amarr for some reason thats cus there good. nah cuzs in old days you could roam around 0.0 in zealot and kill npcers making nice isk..today npcers log/cloak as soon as you enter and you get jumped by 10 cariers a jump later Click me and get isk
Ron MacDougal Project Nemesis	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:20:00 - [36] Arma with pulse lasers = kill everything Amarr dont need love, they are just out of the shadow of blatant favoritism for long enough for the noobs to notice, aint balance a *****? :D
Mrski Okupator Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:37:00 - [37] Well, Amarr are the second best at mission running. It's because they (we) can fit guns and active tanks with little fitting problems. Plus the "mid range" lamezors work great on missions since wery few npcs run to 50km+. But ratting anything else then sansha/blood is a pain. I even sported blasters and a mwd on an apoc for guristas rats. Minnie and Gallente are way better for those. Dropping Amarr to a not-so-bad 4th place However, amarr ships generally suck at pvp. Lack of mid slots and general suckiness of small and med size lamezors are the cancer. And generally for pve you don't need mids, just high and lows. See how that bites you in the arse later on. ___ Apocalypse Mining. Mine your way to heaven. What playing Amarr feels like. Shamelessly snatched from Almarez.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:44:00 - [38] Originally by: CommanderInChief as we are on the subject, what do you think the best pvp race/ships are? I dunno, I like amarr, the zealots quite nice and so is the apoc, but ive multi trained across all races. It seems the vaga is a choice ship for alot of people If you want to pvp gallente is the best race. Long range snipers, short range turreted gank ships, best drone ships, good amount of mid slots, good armor tanks and have fairly fast ships.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Ron MacDougal Arma with pulse lasers = kill everything LARGE pulse lasers = very good. True. Everything else is meh.
Maedoc	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:49:00 - [40] I find that the Mega Modulated Pulses don't seem to have the range to really crush Battle ships at around 45-49km with Infrared Crystals. I personally like using a full rack of tachyons and sniping from long range.

Ms Nomer	Posted - 2007.10.17 23:24:00 - [41] ask yourself "what makes a good PvP ship?". requisites for a 'good' PvP ship would be: speed damage flexibility (of damage type options, Ewar oppurtunity) capacitor Amarr have the damage...on paper. They do not posses the flexibility (mid slots for ewar, drones for ewar/ damage variation). Capacitor is always a huge and crippling problem leaving you to either choose to tank very well or gank in a medicore fashion. Speed trumps all in PvP, solo, small gang or fleet; speed is necessary in all aspects. Fitting a MWD on an Amarr ship is like hammering a square peg into a round hole; with enough force you can make it work, but you might as well spit into the wind. The only way to counter speed is either with your own speed or to bring in some minnie recons. Essentially, if you want to do what Amarr does best, you'll need those minnie recons. Blasphemous. but this is all really unfixable, just give Amarr that 'oomph' we were told about in the devblogs.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Ms Nomer ...crippling problem leaving you to either choose to tank very well or gank in a medicore fashion. maybe get those lame honour upgrades/plates off and fit some sinks/tracking enhancers? ========================= No cookies for you! Mr Nerf-O-Whine himself =========================
Khaladan Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Ms Nomer ask yourself "what makes a good PvP ship?". requisites for a 'good' PvP ship would be: speed damage flexibility (of damage type options, Ewar oppurtunity) capacitor Amarr have the damage...on paper. They do not posses the flexibility (mid slots for ewar, drones for ewar/ damage variation). Capacitor is always a huge and crippling problem leaving you to either choose to tank very well or gank in a medicore fashion. Speed trumps all in PvP, solo, small gang or fleet; speed is necessary in all aspects. Fitting a MWD on an Amarr ship is like hammering a square peg into a round hole; with enough force you can make it work, but you might as well spit into the wind. The only way to counter speed is either with your own speed or to bring in some minnie recons. Essentially, if you want to do what Amarr does best, you'll need those minnie recons. Blasphemous. but this is all really unfixable, just give Amarr that 'oomph' we were told about in the devblogs. Quoted for absolute truth, sums up the Amarr PVP problem perfectly. P.S.: Your character name is very witty


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