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Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:49:00 - [1] Bombcrater's Guide To SM3 Part 1 - Do I Have It? CCP have provided a handy utility to check if your graphics card has Shader Model 3.0 (SM3). But what if you're not at the computer you play Eve on, or are intending to buy a new card and don't know which ones have SM3? The following is a list of most popular graphics cards, with a note if they support SM3 or not. A few odd card variants may not be listed but just look for something close (ie, GeForce 6200, 6200 Ultra, 6200LE, etc, are all considered the same card). Also, for mobile/laptop chips look for a card with the same model number. NVidia GeForce FX (NV30/NV35) Series: SM3 Support - NO GeForce FX 5100, 5200LE, 5200, 5200 Ultra, 5500, 5600, 5600XT, 5600 Ultra, 5700LE/LV, 5700, 5700 Ultra, 5800, 5800 Ultra, 5900, 5900SE, 5900XT, 5950. NVidia GeForce PCX (NV35) Series: SM3 Support - NO GeForce PCX 5300, 5750, 5900. NVidia GeForce 6 (NV40) Series: SM3 Support - YES GeForce 6200, 6200LE, 6200 Ultra, 6600LE, 6600, 6600GT, 6800XT, 6800/6800NU, 6800GS, 6800GT, 6800 Ultra. NVidia GeForce 7 (G70) Series: SM3 Support - YES GeForce 7050, 7100, 7150, 7150LE, 7200, 7200GS, 7300LE, 7300GS, 7300GT, 7600GS, 7600GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7900GTX, 7950GT, 7950GX2. NVidia GeForce 8 (G80) Series: SM3 Support - YES GeForce 8400, 8400LE, 8500, 8600GT, 8600GTS, 8800GTS, 8800GTX, 8800GT. ATI Radeon R300 Series: SM3 Support - NO Radeon 9500, 9500 Pro, 9550, 9600, 9600 Pro, 9600 XT, 9700, 9700 Pro, 9800, 9800XT, X300, X550, X600. ATI Radeon R400 Series: SM3 Support - NO Radeon X700, X800, X850, X1050, X1100, X1200, X1250. ATI Radeon R500 Series: SM3 Support - YES Radeon X1300, X1300 Pro, X1300XT, X1600, X1600 Pro, X1600XT, X1650, X1650 XT, X1800, X1800 XT, X1800 XL, X1900 GT, X1900 XT, X1900 XTX, X1950 Pro, X1950 XT, X1950 XTX, HD2300. ATI Radeon R600 Series: SM3 Support - YES Radeon HD2400 pro, HD2400 XT, HD2600 Pro, HD2600 XT, HD2900 Pro, HD2900 XT, HD2900 XTX.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:52:00 - [2] Bombcrater's Guide To SM3 Part 2 - Can I Get It? How easy (or possible) it is to upgrade to an SM3 capable card depends on what kind of PC you have. Laptops are not upgradeable - if you have a non SM3 laptop, stop reading here. For desktops, I've split them into four very rough categories. The Very Old Box: Anything with a Pentium 3, early (sub 2GHz) Pentium 4, Duron, original Athlon, or early Athlon XPs. It's technically possible to upgrade this kind of machine to SM3, but I'd advise most strongly (to the point of hitting you over the head with a frozen fish) not to try it. There is a good chance an inadequite power supply (PSU) or AGP compatibility issue will crop up and sabotage any upgrade, and even if it works the CPU is so slow you'll still get miserable performance anyway. Recommended cards (for the brave): GeForce 6200 or 6600GT AGP. The Not So Old Box: Pentium 4s > 2GHz, later Athlon XPs (2500 to 3200) Upgrades are much more feasable here, with a weak PSU being the main problem you may encounter, so it's best to look toward cards with low power requirements. Remember, you need an AGP card and most of these ones require a spare 4-pin hard-drive type power connector. Reccomended cards: GeForce 6600, 6600GT, 7600GS, Radeon X1300 AGP. With a 350W+ PSU: GeForce 7800GS, Radeon X1950 AGP. The Old Dog With New Tricks: AGP systems with fast P4s (2.8GHz+), Pentium D, Athlon 64, Athlon X2 or Sempron 64. Many of these type machines have reasonably fast CPUs and quite lot of life left in them, so it's worth spending more on a good gfx card. Reccomended cards: GeForce 7600GS, 7800GS, Radeon X1950 AGP. Life In The Fast Lane: PCI-Express systems with Athlon 64, Pentium D, Core2Duo, Pentium E, Athlon X2. There's barely any need for advice here, since mostly any modern PCI-E card will do a great job, so I'll list recommended cards spit by cost. Note: Check what power connections a card needs before buying. Most need a 6-pin PCI-E connector (or 2 4-pin HDD plugs via a converter). The 2900Pro needs 2 6-pin PCI-E plugs. Cheap: GeForce 7300GT-DDR3, 7600GT, Radeon HD2600 Pro. Medium: GeForce 7900GS, 8600GT, Radeon X1950 Pro. Not Cheap: GeForce 8800GTS, Radeon HD2900Pro. Note: ATi and NVidia have new cards coming out soon (8800GT & HD2950) that will be significantly better value than their existing models, so the 8800GTS and HD2900Pro are good buys now but may not be in a months time.
The Fates Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:38:00 - [3] In my opinion -> If you're on AGP, you need to build a new system. If you're on PCI-E and don't have a SM3 Video Card, then you need to get one. If you have a very old CRT monitor then a new card might not work with it. You've been warned. Here's one way to look at the cards from Nvidia, someone else can hack out the list for ATI. (texels/sec.) 6600 GT 4.0 billion 6800 Ultra 6.4 billion (get a 7600GT) 7100 GS 1.4 Billion (uhhh...) 7200 900 million (LOL) 7300 SE 900 million (was funny the first time) 7300 LE 1.8 billion (umm...) 7300 GS 2.2 billion (oh come on) 7300 GT 2.8 billion (well, its still no 6600GT) 7600 GT 6.7 billion (absolute budget card for DX9) 7800 GTX 13.2 billion (too much price for lack of DX10 at around $200) 7900 GS 9 billion (only DX9, but only $110, see below) 7900 GT 10.8 billion (not much better than 7900GS but twice the price) 7900 GTX 15.6 billion (too much card for DX9, too much price for lack of DX10) 7950 GT 13.2 billion (too much card for DX9, too much price for lack of DX10) 7950 GX2 24 billion (way too much card for DX9, way too much price for lack of DX10) 8400 GS 3.6 billion (this is worse than a 6600GT) 8500 GT 3.6 billion (ugh, again?) 8600 GT 8.6 billion (7900's faster for the same money, but this has DX10, not that it'd be good enough for DX10, tho) 8600 GTS 10.8 billion ($40 more than either the 7900GS or the 8600GT, but still not likely enough card for DX10, look at benchmarks) 8800 GTS 24 billion (Hey, if you got $300 and a nice power supply...) 8800 GTX 36.8 billion (If you have money to burn) 8800 Ultra 39.2 billion (If price is no object) If you're going to compare the 7900GS and the 8600GT, the 8600 has 22.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, and the 7900 has 42.2 GB/s memory bandwidth. If you don't need DX10 right now guess who wins. __ Be content with your lot; one cannot be first in everything. --Aesop
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 19:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Bombcrater Note: ATi and NVidia have new cards coming out soon (8800GT & HD2950) that will be significantly better value than their existing models, so the 8800GTS and HD2900Pro are good buys now but may not be in a months time. This is an important point for those on a budget. New graphics cards always come out right before Christmas. Revelations III is scheduled for late November. When the new crop of cards comes out, the existing cards will drop in price. Heed Bombcrater's warnings on power supplies. Newer CPUs and graphics chips are power hungry. An underrated power supply can lead to various intermittent and hard to trace problems with your computer.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.17 20:41:00 - [5] Why are you looking at texels/s as your only benchmark of power? All that really shows is how many texels (or texture pixels) the card can theoretically (this is important) process, under peak load conditions and absolutely un-fragmented texture memory. For a game like EVE, which is NOT texture heavy (and doesn't look like it's going to be in Rev3, at least not at the level of something like BioShock, which can use megs worth of textures per model), you are better to look at fill rate and vertex/s numbers. It's very unlikely that rev3 is going to push many SM3 cards to their texture memory bandwidth limits, or the pixel processing limits of the card (as most cards can do far more concurrent pixel processing than they can vertex).
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.18 04:45:00 - [6] This thread is fantastic and really useful. However, I have a computer not included in this list. My computer is: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 2.60 GHz, 2.00 GB of RAM PCI bus What would be the very best graphics card(s) for me
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 09:03:00 - [7] I take it you mean PCI express bus? If so, anything listed in the last section will do fine. If you really did mean PCI, look for a GeForce 6200 or something. PCI cards are all crap, so the best you can do is not spend much money on it!
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Bombcrater I take it you mean PCI express bus? If so, anything listed in the last section will do fine. If you really did mean PCI, look for a GeForce 6200 or something. PCI cards are all crap, so the best you can do is not spend much money on it! Amd Athlon 64 have PCI Express bus. /sure -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.19 23:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Bombcrater I take it you mean PCI express bus? If so, anything listed in the last section will do fine. If you really did mean PCI, look for a GeForce 6200 or something. PCI cards are all crap, so the best you can do is not spend much money on it! Amd Athlon 64 have PCI Express bus. /sure The AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 is an expensive enthusiast's processor - one of the best. However, I bought it late 2004 when the chip boards had AGP connections. I checked this with the retailers and by using PC Wizard 2008. However, all is not lost! Next month, when the new graphics cards come out, and the prices of the others fall, I think I'll buy the very best AGP graphics card in existence (Radeon X1950 XT by Gecube) I'm looking forward to pushing my computer to its limits!
Tiiana	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:19:00 - [10] Laptop cards are upgradeable, you just need to make sure you can get a better card designed for your particular model, so the casings still fit correctly. It's not easy, nor is it inexpensive, but it is possible. Just to let ya know.

Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 10:01:00 - [11] There are a few laptops that are upgradeable, in theory. But try finding anyone who's actually done the upgrade and got a reliably working machine at the end of it. I can think of one laptop that can be successfully upgraded by the end user. The Acer laptop I have is a good example of the traps that await. There's two versions of it, one with a GeForce 5200, one with a 5700. The 5700 card is available (for a stupid cost) and fits into the laptop perfectly. But the system will never power up with it in place - why? Nobody's ever found out. There's the issue of cooling, too. A faster gfx card is likely to dissipate more heat, but laptops have little thermal margin. Even if the particular laptop model is available with that card as standard, it may have a more effective cooling system. So you need to source and change that as well. Capacity of the power brick can often be an issue, too. So, it's not completely impossible, just so difficult and unlikely to succeed that you'd have to be half mad to try it.
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:51:00 - [12] I'm thinking of buying my new graphics card second hand on eBay.
Arekaine Gallente 101 Industries Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.22 15:00:00 - [13] K guys. I am not a rig tuner so I know crap about hardware. I know software. I ran the test and this comp is not able to use the SM3. I would like to see if there is a newer card that will work on this POS Dell I am using until I get a new machine. A quick fix will be fine. Here is a read out on my comp. Any help / advice would be appreciated Dell Dimension 2400 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40Hz 2.39 GHz, 1.00GB of RAM ACPI Uniprocessor Display Adapters Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller That's all the info I know to give. Need anymore let me know. Thanks for the help __________________________________________________ Due to a fatal error. This program has been forced to close. Please restart to fix the problem. Any unsaved data will be lost........Sucks huh?
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.22 16:15:00 - [14] The Dimension 2400 doesn't have an AGP or PCI-Express slot, so you need an old style PCI card. The power supply is also very weak so you're limited to low performance cards like a GeForce 6200 or Radeon X1300. The X1300 is the better of the two but quite hard to get, while any of the big online PC parts places (or Ebay) should have 6200s (make sure to get the PCI version, not AGP or PCI-Express). Just don't expect much in the way of performance. An old graphics chip sitting on the PCI bus, driven by a really slow CPU is going to be fairly underwhelming.
Arekaine Gallente 101 Industries Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.22 17:58:00 - [15] Awesome. I will look those up. Like I said, it is just a quick fix till I have the money saved to get a new machine. As of right now I lag pretty bad in lvl4s and plexes anyway. So anything better would be an improvment. Thanks for the help __________________________________________________ Due to a fatal error. This program has been forced to close. Please restart to fix the problem. Any unsaved data will be lost........Sucks huh?
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Ryysa on 23/10/2007 16:41:18 Originally by: Jack Target Radeon X1950 XT by Gecube I'm looking forward to pushing my computer to its limits! Tbh, you should realize that this card is overkill for the AGP 8x bus. AGP does not have enough bandwidth to utilize the full potential of that card, meaning you'd be throwing money away. AGP only has 2133 MB/s bandwidth, whereas PCI-Express has around 4GB/s bandwidth. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:44:00 - [17] Bus bandwidth doesn't matter all that much until a game runs out of video memory and has to start swapping textures over the bus from system ram, at which point the frame rate tanks anyway. I can switch my GeForce 7900 between PCI-E 16x and 8x (the wonders of a first generation SLI motherboard) with only a tiny performance hit. AGP doesn't have a serious impact on performance until you try sending stuff from the GPU to the host system (FRAPS, video capture, GPU folding clients, etc, all do that). Then AGP acts like PCI-66 and is limited to 266MB/sec.
JaLooNz	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:56:00 - [18] Its worth noting that the newer Intel Integrated Graphics (ie G965[X3000] and G33[X3100], not for G945 and earlier) both support SM3 via partial software emulation, but you might have some trouble getting it to work due to the drivers. In addition, whether it would be better to just simply run in DX8 mode is another story, cause you might be watching a slideshow. http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1487.htm @Bombcrater Maybe you would like to add the info.
PHPR Freighter Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:18:00 - [19] well. Mine is crap and is there a way to disable SM3? Pentium 4, 1.5GHz PCI Slot (PCI, not PCI-E) Currently have a GeForce FX 5500 and a mobo... so sue me, I am poor as hell, and its a Dimension 2400 or something like that... -------- I am Anti-Macro, I am Anti-Roadkill, I am Anti-Asshats. This is just personal standings, not those of any corps or alliances I may join. -Insert KB here-
Zephyr Rengate	Posted - 2007.11.21 20:15:00 - [20] My new computer that i got has a Nvidia Geforce 8600 GT my processor is intel core 2 duo CPU @ 2.33 GHz 2046 ram using vista will i be able to use trinity grapics? (newb to PCs) any help would be great.

Jimbob McKracken Caldari The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.22 00:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate My new computer that i got has a Nvidia Geforce 8600 GT my processor is intel core 2 duo CPU @ 2.33 GHz 2046 ram using vista will i be able to use trinity grapics? (newb to PCs) any help would be great. Yes no problems at all - but no clue as to performance. All I hear is speculation with no solid figures. It would be nice for CCP to give us some baseline performance figures with the hardware they are developing on. /me pokes dev... but seriously, Vista is DX10 and so is your card which means it is more than capable of running the DX9 Trinity client. There is plans I believe for a DX10 client but that is in the future and I would expect your card to struggle at any decent resolution. Although by the time the DX10 client is out we'll probably be on Geforce 11 cards.
Rada Ionesco Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.11.22 01:21:00 - [22] HI. I have a Geforce 5700 LE, no SM3 capability. Now I am getting confused on the Dx10 need. I know I need a new card (for my athalon 64 2.4 Ghz, 1 GB system running XP SP2), but do I need one with Dx10 capabilities?
Tolas Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.11.22 02:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Rada Ionesco HI. I have a Geforce 5700 LE, no SM3 capability. Now I am getting confused on the Dx10 need. I know I need a new card (for my athalon 64 2.4 Ghz, 1 GB system running XP SP2), but do I need one with Dx10 capabilities? No Trinity uses DX 9.0c and SM3 There are very few games that use DX10 right now, and you need to be running Vista to run DX10, it doesn't work with XP. DX10 cards will run under DX9 on windows XP, but they are not necessary at all to play EVE or almost any other game really. Unless you are moving to Vista soon, adding more RAM and Possibly a bigger power supply, I wouldn't bother getting a DX10 card (Geforce 8 series) If you want a good, affordable DX9/SM3 card get a 7800 or 7900 series GS, GT or GTX and make sure your power supply can handle the increase, it should say on the box of the card or description if getting it online what the power requirements are.
Rada Ionesco Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.11.22 02:32:00 - [24] Thanks for the info, didn't really know how that worked. I think I have a power supply in the 400-550 watt range. So that is ok.
Ryuga VonRhaiden Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.11.22 11:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Ryuga VonRhaiden on 22/11/2007 11:25:07 Originally by: Jack Target I'm thinking of buying my new graphics card second hand on eBay. eBay is definitely the way to go, i've bought a second-hand (less than 1 year old) X1800XT for 70Ç (not that i really needed an upgrade from my X1600pro, but hey, it's still 3 times more powerful for quite a cheap price, i can still resell my X1600pro for 30-40Ç). It might be not the top now (though it was not long ago), but is definitely better than any cheap dx10 card coming out in the near future. EDIT: here at Tom's Hardware you can have a nice comparison betwen almost all the video cards from the last 2 or 3 generations. For an overall comparison you could use the "overall games fps" benchmark. i've gone up from 485 to 1330 points and i'm happy about that :P Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.

CCP Sharkbait	Posted - 2007.11.23 09:30:00 - [26] this has my interest. sticky wicky

Kye Do'lan Gallente The Whitesands Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.24 07:21:00 - [27] I have an FX-55 with pci express, my current video cards are... 6600gt in SLI I'm hoping this will be good enough to play at my current resolution of 1200x1600 My Skills
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/11/2007 01:53:56 Originally by: The Fates If you're going to compare the 7900GS and the 8600GT, the 8600 has 22.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, and the 7900 has 42.2 GB/s memory bandwidth. If you don't need DX10 right now guess who wins. Yes, got a 8600GT myself. It gets to its limit quite fast, anti-aliasing and high detail at high resolutions is not what that card likes. But it's still good enough to play something like Crysis at 1280x1024 at medium detail settings with a nice performance, without AA of course. I just bought it, because it was cheap. The ati-1950, which offers really top dx-9 performance cost about 150 EUR at that time, I think, but my 8600GT was just 85 bucks or so. So guess it depends on personal preferences like and if you want max details, high resolution, anti-aliasing in new games. Then the 8600GT is not for you. I've heard great things about the 8800GT btw, which isn't in your list yet.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.25 10:18:00 - [29] Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 25/11/2007 10:19:11 Ok, I have atm a 9600 pro. I am going to upgrade my whole computer. Limited budget. Have found this so far; This is what I have atm; AMD Sempron 64 3000+ AsRock K8upgrade nf3 (or such) 1 Gig DDR ram. (133mhz iirc) ATi Radeon 9600 pro. (Still get awesome framerates on HF2 etc) And ofc lots of hdd space (250gig atm, more than I need) What I have found; http://geizhals.at/a273393.html Mainboard. http://geizhals.at/a254904.html CPU http://www.alternate.at//html/shop/productDetails.html?&artno=JAXHHA& GRAKA. http://geizhals.at/a244633.html RAM. Difference? What can I expect in your opinion? ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
Geren Basbar Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.26 23:46:00 - [30] Yeah. The current nVidia lineup needs a card in-between the 8600 and the 8800. The price jumps from 70USD up to 300USD. I have an 8600 and it's perfectly fine, but I would have been willing to buy a '8700' or something for 150-200USD.

Indoril Siconus Caldari Lambent Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.27 01:38:00 - [31] I has the following Dell Dimension 4600 Pentium 4 2.6 ghz 512 RAM 100M integrated PCI NIC card 250W power supply (i believe) should i just grab a 6200 or what? _________________________ My Hulk is my baby...
Deadly Harbinger Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.28 05:45:00 - [32] Thanks for the guide!
Coeleth The Divine Comedy	Posted - 2007.11.28 11:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Indoril Siconus I has the following Dell Dimension 4600 Pentium 4 2.6 ghz 512 RAM 100M integrated PCI NIC card 250W power supply (i believe) should i just grab a 6200 or what? I certainly wouldn't get a 6200. I have a P4 3ghz with a 6600LE and Trinity is just barely putting out enough frames per second for me to be comfortable hauling or mining (10-30fps). If you're going to stay with AGP, (like I am), I'd go for the ultra-est version of whatever AGP card you can get and probably a higher end 7-series, not a 6.
Seifer Al'Masy Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.28 14:02:00 - [34] I play EvE on a laptop, AMD Turion 64 X2 TL50. My graphics card is a nVidia GO 6150. can anyone confirm if it suports SM3 ? _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Pwyle Kenobi InterSun Freelance	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:14:00 - [35] If anyone has the expertise and knowledge, can you please consider this: AGPx8 - GeForce 7950 GT vs Radeon X1950 Pro Cheers!
Snar Eos Minmatar FW Scuad	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:32:00 - [36] Hi all. I have a P4 2.4Ghrz Hypher Threading 1GB Ram 400Ghrz-Dual Channel 9800 Ati Radeon 256 AGP. Im planning to only upgrade the Video Card to X1300 or x1950, but i Have an 400 Watt Power Source, will it handle the x1950? Also is the saphire x1950 as good as the Radeon? Thx
Delinquent Miner	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Snar Eos Hi all. Im planning to only upgrade the Video Card to X1300 or x1950, but i Have an 400 Watt Power Source, will it handle the x1950? As long as you don't have lots of fast-spinning hard disks, and/or DVD writers, I imagine you should be fine, power-wise. If you're thinking of upgrading your ram at the same time, you might as well spring the $17 for a 450w PS while you're at it. Quote: Also is the saphire x1950 as good as the Radeon? the Sapphire is a Radeon. It's just ATi's name for the chipset. They don't manufacture any cards directly, to my knowledge, just like nVidia doesn't.
pentinor Spy Cotic's	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:23:00 - [38] Just got a new computer, As of right now it has a crappy Geforce 6150 se integrated card,but i think it MIGHT support se3(not a computer genius so the numbers get me confuzzed =P)...can anyone confirm this? BTW i would use the the se3 checker to check to see if it does but im still waiting for my monitor to arrive to at my house =/ -
Kaya Divine Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:22:00 - [39] In another words dearest CCP, us mortals who are not computer geeks or we don`t have company in which we can play during work hours...new graphic is out from our reach.... Anyway you should not be forced by NVIDIA employees to use SM3 but hey everything that makes your pockets full can`t be so bad. I consulted moralists to learn how to appear, philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die.
Yosarian Hand Of The Tahiri Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:22:00 - [40] I'm curious how anyone has been getting on with a MacBook Pro (running windows naturally)

Darth Syphils	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:56:00 - [41] I have a Pen D dual core processor 2.66 mhz, 2 gig ram. Only has a PCI slot. Any suggestions on a new chip set?
searess	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:56:00 - [42] I have been using a sony vaio s3hp to play this game for 2 years now, Specs Centrino 1.6 1 gig mem Nvid 6200 turbocache The new graphics do not work on his card so if your using a similar card forget it Hijackzorzzzz Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Laice Caldari The Greater Good Novus Aevum	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:42:00 - [43] one assumes my quad core 2.4 ghz and pair of 8800gtx's will be fine.......... I have a really nice signature. It doesnt exceed the 24000 byte limit, or the height restrictions - Laice
Campusanis	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 - [44] I keep getting ignored when asking this, so I'll try again. The main issue with Shader Model 2 is that it cannot handle a sufficient amount af shader instructions/commands. However, many fairly new laptops (like mine) have got a built-in - that is, not upgradable - ATI X700 - X850. These cards (and maybe some more, not sure there) supply a special "Shader Model 2_b" which can operate with exactly the same amount of instructions as Shader Model 3 cards. So are the other new features of SM3 so drastic that it's completely impossible to even let SM2_b have a try? I'd just like to have some input on that.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [45] Shader Model 2.0b has significant limitations compared to 3.0. See the comparison chart here for more details.
Campusanis	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:11:00 - [46] Edited by: Campusanis on 07/12/2007 12:11:45 Yet, they also share some things and there's significant improvement over Shader Model 2.0. I just don't get why CCP made it so that the game won't even try to use the Premium content. Make it be extremely slow or crash, fine, but then I'll believe that it's entirely impossible.
Sprobe	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:18:00 - [47] thanks for the texels comparison! now I know for sure that my 8600 GTS was good for nothing. I should have never listened to the weird shop guy. I will go for 8800GT for sure, my system is a Core2Duo, 4GB ram, ... what a pity that i have a 8600GTS, screw myself!
Rensoman	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:31:00 - [48] Dear Sir, What could you tell me, about ATI RADEON X1550 card ? does it support shaders v3 ? I can't find it in below list
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Campusanis I just don't get why CCP made it so that the game won't even try to use the Premium content. Make it be extremely slow or crash, fine, but then I'll believe that it's entirely impossible. Trying to execute SM3.0 code on a card that only handles SM2.0b will simply cause the graphics driver to lock up or crash. Eve is buggy enough without CCP putting in an option that will never do anything but crash the system.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:53:00 - [50] hello, well i found this thread and i guess u are the guys with the right knowledge. i only have limited (very limited) skills with pcs and tech specs so bear with me. my problem is that i bought a bulk pc 2 years ago and i thought it would be an awsome idea...well it wasnt since i learned more about bulk deals and why the industry packs em fll of "Special edition" crap so u get the worsest performance available... i want my pc to ru nthe new gfx content since i play eve because im an design fanatic. here are my specs found out via target's pc wiz linky: Manufacturer:Hewlett Packard Mainboard :MSI MS-7010 Chipset :VIA K8T800 (VT8383) Processor :AMD Athlon 64 3400+ @ 2400 MHz Ram :1024 MB (2 x 512 DDR-SDRAM ) GFX Card :Nvidia Corp GeForce FX 5500 [NV34.6] Hard Drive :ST3200021A (200 GB) DVD-Rom Drive :HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GWA-4083B Netcard :VT82C570 MV IDE Controller VT6102 Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter OS :Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2 DirectX :Version 9.0c Bus Type of th gfx card is AGP (at least the wiz tells me so) so guys what to do? im planing to get myself a mac someday as im a design student but atm i cant afford completely new hardware so how can i get my pc to run graphics stable and avoid getting 0.237 fps when i approach a floating can? (btw i crashed 3 times today while aproaching gates with the classic graphics content patch installed...i guess ccp wants my name deleted from the subscriber list) Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".

AeonOfTime Minmatar Syrkos Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:27:00 - [51] Thanks a lot for the guide! Now that the new content is out and I was able to test the new graphics engine, I am quite disappointed with my GeForce 7600 GS. It runs the game smoothly, but forget better shadows - and HDR absolutely kills it. Knowing this is on a four month old PC with 2 GB RAM, And an Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ processor all I can say is, MEH :\ So now I am thinking of at least upgrading my graphics card. But how do I know a card like the 8800 GTS will be able to run EVE smoothly with all graphic options? -- Read the captain's log at eve.aeonoftime.com
The RAv3n	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:58:00 - [52] Some how I see a big no coming my way, but since i am unable to upgrade my laptop, is the Intel GMA 950 able to handle the performance upgrade, or must I wait another $1000 for a new computer? Also I am looking at computers, mostly laptops. What do people know and think about a Sony Vaio with what I believe to be 2 8400 cards and 1 gig of graphics memory? is it worth it, or is the 2 8400 a piece of crap and I should look for one with an 8600($300 more)?
Nhi'Khuna e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.18 20:24:00 - [53] Hey Folks, Just upgraded my video card and I noticed that there were allot of Dell Dimension folks. I have a: Dell Dimension 5150 Intel 3.0Ghz Pent 4 2gb RAM Upgraded to an ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO 512MB DDR2 PCI-e card. No problems at all. Power requirements were recommended at 300W (Dell Dimension 5000 series comes with 305 watts) so you meet those. My experience has typically been that 'Plug and Play' is something of a snide joke. But in this case it was fabulously easy. Only cost $150.
Bambi	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:57:00 - [54] Just got a new card for premium content, on a budget and on a mid range pc. XP3200 chip (2Ghz) 3Gb PC3200 ATI X1650 Pro 512Mb card The card I picked up for ú45, which I thought was a bargain. I get 40-50 fps normally at 1600x1200 dropping to the low 30's in a real heavy mission, not brilliant I'll admit, but its good enough for an old fart who thought 8 colours was cool and wondered why BBC BASIC didn't have draw circle command
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2007.12.30 22:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf Originally by: Bombcrater Note: ATi and NVidia have new cards coming out soon (8800GT & HD2950) that will be significantly better value than their existing models, so the 8800GTS and HD2900Pro are good buys now but may not be in a months time. This is an important point for those on a budget. New graphics cards always come out right before Christmas. Revelations III is scheduled for late November. When the new crop of cards comes out, the existing cards will drop in price. Heed Bombcrater's warnings on power supplies. Newer CPUs and graphics chips are power hungry. An underrated power supply can lead to various intermittent and hard to trace problems with your computer. yea the 8800GTS 640 was an unheard of deal when I bought it in may at $369. I wouldn't buy it now tho lol. Still a great card for the money at the time I bought it. The GTX was in the $700's at the time. The new cards are going to be better (duh?). I also got a 750W modular power supply so I'm ready to go SLi. If I were thinking of a new card soon I'd be patient and buy in March after the "new shiny" effect wears off and prices drop a little. Now, if I could only find that extra $800 I misplaced... As far as a wattage guide, my motherboard manual recommends 500W for a pair of SLi'd 7950's. The 8800's use more juice so I wouldn't mess with less than 600W to be safe if you don't want to let the smoke out. However, the ultimate guide is your motherboard manual. Listen to it and check out the video hardware manufacturer's recommendations. Just don't think the 3 year old Antec 430 is going to cut it for long. Power supplies are one of those things you can drastically overspec for a comparatively small amount of money and the price of disaster has the potential to be very high. An overspecced power supply is a cool power supply. A cool power supply is a long lasting one. I burned one up once. Luckily none of my other components were damaged. It sure wasn't pleasant. It was very scary. Bright blue flames shot out the back of my computer and my entire living room filled up with a very nasty smell. It wasn't Antec's fault ROFL. I used my old 380 PSU for a newer generation PC with a high end video card. -K /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
Ciara Daag Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.01.06 14:33:00 - [56] Heres a great guide,which is released monthly on what the best graphics card for the money is. http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/03/the_best_gaming_graphics/
velusip	Posted - 2008.01.09 02:09:00 - [57] Just bought an ATI HD3850 to replace a fanless 7600GS (wanted quiet). The 7600GS could present all of Trinity's fanciful graphics, but at a poor 10-20fps even with few ships on-screen. This new card rocks a round 40-60fps at a reduced wattage with loads of ships on-screen. For $160 CAD, I recommend it! Remember, before you go buying an ATI card make sure your power supply has a 6-pin power rail. Otherwise you might need a molex to 6-pin adaptor. ATI cards only use 3 of the 6 pins anyway, so it's cool. If you're handy with solder it might be a fun hack. Don't doubt the red text.
The Fates Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.02.13 04:18:00 - [58] Originally by: Sertan Deras Why are you looking at texels/s as your only benchmark of power? I know its almost necromantic of me to reply, but, it was a valid question. The main reason why is because if you've been following these things for a long time that's how they price the cards. Your argument, while sound, ignores the fact that, in games, the performance of a given card can usually (if not always) be predicted by this one statistic given that the card is from the same manufacturer, and even in most cases regardless of manufacturer. Generally speaking when they deviate from pricing the card along this line there is some other reason why, and it usually isnt a good one. If they are going to use this as a determining factor in price (and 99% of the time they do) you can be willing to bet its also a determining factor in performance if you believe that you get what you pay for. :) My 2 isk on it. There's different ways to evaluate these products, like I said originally, thats one way to see it, and its the way I've seen it since... well, as long as I've been spending my own money on them. For money where my mouth is, I purchased a 7900GS to run EVE at 1920x1200 and while it has done well, the framerate for premium content was unacceptable to me (somewhere around a 30fps average, but spikes lower and higher). It's definately video card bound as my current cpu is only at around 50%. Classic runs at a constant 60 fps limited by vsynch. I suspect the problem is having only 256MB of video ram more than it is the GPU. Just to add something here, the big deal about a video card now is that for resolutions beyond 1280x1024 the limiting factor at this point is the video card, for lower resolutions its generally the CPU. With LCD's taking over, you're pretty likely to at least have 1280x1024, a good balance spot between the two bottlenecks for an average system, or more, meaning a video card is more important than ever for good framerate. __ Be content with your lot; one cannot be first in everything. --Aesop
Lenus Daragio Foundry.	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:45:00 - [59] Originally by: velusip Just bought an ATI HD3850 to replace a fanless 7600GS (wanted quiet). The 7600GS could present all of Trinity's fanciful graphics, but at a poor 10-20fps even with few ships on-screen. This new card rocks a round 40-60fps at a reduced wattage with loads of ships on-screen. For $160 CAD, I recommend it! Remember, before you go buying an ATI card make sure your power supply has a 6-pin power rail. Otherwise you might need a molex to 6-pin adaptor. ATI cards only use 3 of the 6 pins anyway, so it's cool. If you're handy with solder it might be a fun hack. This actually depends on what video card you get. Most video cards that need the 6-pin PCI-Express power adapter, have a molex to PCI-Express adapter included in the box. It's not any ATI card (I have three PCI-Express SM3 capable cards, none of them have 6-Pin PCI Express power plugs on them) that needs these, it's simply higher powered video cards. Check the box, and check your PC as well. If the video card has one of these plugins, you'll need to have a power supply capable of handling it. The back of the box the video card comes in usually tells you how big.
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2008.04.01 00:56:00 - [60] Could anyone hazard a guess as to the possibility of pushing the EVE premium client on this laptop? Specs: Intel Core 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 677MHz (2 DIMMs) 512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M, 512MB Turbo Cache memory (256 dedicated) *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.



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