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sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.18 11:55:00 - [31] 3 mids ;)
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.18 11:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:45:00 - [33] niceeeeeee the stack of 32 ares i have in nonnie might get some use now :D
Morrigu Storm Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:56:00 - [34] Personally I don't like the change. I liked the original model that favoured missiles and trained decent missile support skills just to use the ship well which also helps with our pathetic stealth bomber and also the recon and interdictor. Are these ships going to have the missile points/bonus's removed as well? TBH why would anyone use this instead of a Taranis now apart from a different bonus to its scrambling ability? Don't say the price as it's price will go up and the Taranis will probably drop depending on how many units of each type get sold and used.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:04:00 - [35] craptor has a real job now atleast tackling like hell and popping pods like no ones bussiness
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 17:02:00 - [36] Edited by: goodby4u on 18/10/2007 17:02:44 Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Edited by: Ekuwy Oizoa on 17/10/2007 17:06:36 Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 17/10/2007 16:58:43 It gets great speed(ie 4 lows)and the ability to fit a scram and web(and a mwd ofcourse)...Thats awesome...I wouldnt care if it does 10 less dps. This makes it a gang ship, the old ares was pretty good solo. Now if you fly in a gang, the first ships you take a along is a interdictor and huggin. There is just no arguing there. Enemy is trapped and dual webbed and warpdisrupted from 28-30 km by the huggin. Now where the the ares step in? It doesnt and it didnt do before, cause it was unrated B I G and every single inty in the game felt comfortable engaging it. Thus making it a decent inty killer, people just rushed things and died. Solo?Its difficult to kill anything with the weak amount of dps intys have,given there are idiots you wouldnt kill anything worth killing tbh. Intys are suppose to be able to tackle(and in certain situations...on a gate etc..)be able to web and tackle NOW,other ships make sure it doesnt get away more efficiantly a couple seconds later but its still a couple seconds. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 23:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Reto Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Last time i didnt pack a web on my ceptor we lost a target that sped to the gate due to the no webbage,yes i got yelled at. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.10.19 00:05:00 - [39] Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:17:15 Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:09:56 Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:05:56 Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Reto Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Last time i didnt pack a web on my ceptor we lost a target that sped to the gate due to the no webbage,yes i got yelled at. last time i used a web i lost my vigil in 4 seconds getting webbed myself and receiving a full volley of antimatter goodness. we didnt loose the target since we got backup diruptors on it and we didnt hunt enemies at gates but rather in belts and safespots. so ur point is that u agressed a target at a gate giving it a imense tactical advantage by not considering the 30 seconds aggression cooldown for gate jumping... point is that an interceptor not suited for closerange combat but longrange combat like say the crow (lower overall HP, higher base and mwd speed and 2 misslehardpoints as nontracking dependant weapon sys) gets his dmg cut and recieving a medslot for packing a web or whatever. well if i wanted to risk my ship i wouldnt take a TII one for the task and if i would take a TII ship i would take the taranis as it deals crazy dps and can withstand twice the punishment the ares can, given its base overall hp. ccp changed the ares indeed in some sort of caldari raptor with less dps but one more lowslot. i cannot utilize another tripple med interceptor in the gallente line as it isnt different from the taranis except its lack of dps and hp making it by far worse than it is atm. also the new disruptorrange and cap consumption bonuses on sisi would benefit the ares using a disruptor instead of the closerange web/scram combo. imo the new changes would thin out the gallente ceptor poissibilities and further nerf the ares ability to fend of smaller targets from afar. imo they should make the ares either a fully rail based ship allowing it to deal up to 60 dps or give it a 3 missle slot making it similar to the crow. as it is atm (on sisi) it isnt suiting any role but a utterly low dps suicide TII frig which imo doesnt make any sense. i hope my opinion on that matter is now better undestandable for u. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.19 00:25:00 - [40] You guys dont get it lol 3 mids and 4 lows mwd, disrupter, sensor booster/cap booster/cap recharger/ewar speed1 speed2 speed3 speed4 Putting a webber in there is silly with such an uber range and cap bonus for disrupters. This thing is gonna zoom zoom and be an awesome gang tackler. The ranis is a really good dogfighter for solo work anyways. The ares just needed a role - now it has one.
Taguchi Hiroko Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.19 01:20:00 - [41] this is gonna be the uber tackler now
Coming Rightup	Posted - 2007.10.19 01:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Reto Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:17:15 Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:09:56 Edited by: Reto on 19/10/2007 00:05:56 Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Reto Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Last time i didnt pack a web on my ceptor we lost a target that sped to the gate due to the no webbage,yes i got yelled at. last time i used a web i lost my vigil in 4 seconds getting webbed myself and receiving a full volley of antimatter goodness. we didnt loose the target since we got backup diruptors on it and we didnt hunt enemies at gates but rather in belts and safespots. so ur point is that u agressed a target at a gate giving it a imense tactical advantage by not considering the 30 seconds aggression cooldown for gate jumping... point is that an interceptor not suited for closerange combat but longrange combat like say the crow (lower overall HP, higher base and mwd speed and 2 misslehardpoints as nontracking dependant weapon sys) gets his dmg cut and recieving a medslot for packing a web or whatever. well if i wanted to risk my ship i wouldnt take a TII one for the task and if i would take a TII ship i would take the taranis as it deals crazy dps and can withstand twice the punishment the ares can, given its base overall hp. ccp changed the ares indeed in some sort of caldari raptor with less dps but one more lowslot. i cannot utilize another tripple med interceptor in the gallente line as it isnt different from the taranis except its lack of dps and hp making it by far worse than it is atm. also the new disruptorrange and cap consumption bonuses on sisi would benefit the ares using a disruptor instead of the closerange web/scram combo. imo the new changes would thin out the gallente ceptor poissibilities and further nerf the ares ability to fend of smaller targets from afar. imo they should make the ares either a fully rail based ship allowing it to deal up to 60 dps or give it a 3 missle slot making it similar to the crow. as it is atm (on sisi) it isnt suiting any role but a utterly low dps suicide TII frig which imo doesnt make any sense. i hope my opinion on that matter is now better undestandable for u. Ares is totally worthless now, which is why every single one of them was bought out from the major trade hubs during the past 3 days.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.10.21 13:03:00 - [43] my major concern is the weapon sys on the ares. it deals too low dps with the 2 rail 1 missle layout. all i want is either 3 bonused guns or misslelaunchers. i want it to stay a longrange ship with the ability to deal ok dps. nothing less nothing more. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.21 13:25:00 - [44] Edited by: Shevar on 21/10/2007 13:26:35 Originally by: Reto Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Instead of the web you can also fit for example a sensor booster, a damp or if you want to be really unconventional a TP (that is what the fourth mid slot on the stilleto is generally used for). If you want DPS at 15+ km in a tackling frig then go train caldari and fly a crow. But really since these aren't solo ships 100 DPS won't matter, a battlecruiser dishes out like 600. So you won't make a significant impact other then keeping the ship in place. Quote: i want it to stay a longrange ship with the ability to deal ok dps. nothing less nothing more. Uhuh, and the malediction, stilletto or raptor are capable of this? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.21 13:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa The point is: why cant ccp follow there own freacking rules for once. Why is the nemesis a missile firing ship that comes from the largest particle blaster manufacturer and why is the ares a roden shipyard vessel the prefers missiles over guns and than it gets 2 gunslots? Maybe im just ****ed off that i trained specific for a underdog crow killer, that apparently to some posters turned into a overpowered tackler. I guess thats just it, even CCP their own storyline cannot be trusted. Ship designs from the cheapest bidder? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz
sh4rp ov3rvolt	Posted - 2007.10.21 13:52:00 - [46] some love to my favourite tackling ship allelujah
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.22 03:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Xtreem niceeeeeee the stack of 32 ares i have in nonnie might get some use now :D I hear ya brother! To all those who called my favourite inty a t2 shuttle.... I yer face :-)
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 21/10/2007 13:26:35 Originally by: Reto Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Reto lol.... ccp give it a unspilt weapon system FFS ! It could be snowball launcher -only for all I care. 3 mids. Speed. Win. 3 mids = mwd web scram tackling in webrange = UR DEAD GTFO ! and another thing son. i can do the same tackling + speed stuff with a vigil and i can do it better for a much lower price. there is no friggin point using an ares just because it got its 3rd mid. theres no point at all using a 6mil ship which WILL get killed for tackling. use a 200k throw away frig and ur jobs done aswell. i still hope that the ares will get some dps out of the changes as i do not believe that an TII frig is supposed to deal 30dps. ccp dont let the god of war deal sissy girl dps on the battlefield damit! give it at least an unsplit weapon system. Instead of the web you can also fit for example a sensor booster, a damp or if you want to be really unconventional a TP (that is what the fourth mid slot on the stilleto is generally used for). If you want DPS at 15+ km in a tackling frig then go train caldari and fly a crow. But really since these aren't solo ships 100 DPS won't matter, a battlecruiser dishes out like 600. So you won't make a significant impact other then keeping the ship in place. Quote: i want it to stay a longrange ship with the ability to deal ok dps. nothing less nothing more. Uhuh, and the malediction, stilletto or raptor are capable of this? son u have no clue of the ceptors u have listed. and 100dps do matter. even 50 dps matter if used wiseley. the ares as it is now is better than the ares on the testserver. furthermore the disruptor bonus currently on sisi alone would make the ares capable fulfilling its longrange tackler job better than before. it doesnt need a 3rd med for ew or anything else for it. but since ccp may change the ares into a low dps 3 med ship i vouching for at least a unsplit weapon system in order not to loose too much dps. i regard interceptors not just as tacklers (tackling is a job i can do as good in a tI frig) but exciting ships for dogfights and gangwarfare giving me more options than just disrupting the enemy. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Sean Faust	Posted - 2007.11.23 21:24:00 - [49] Okay, to all of you who feel that this change is a BAD thing because it hurts the Ares' DPS, let me let you in on a little secret: It never had decent DPS to begin with. It wasn't supposed to. Since their inception Intercepters were designed with 2 different roles in mind. Each race got one that dealt considerable DPS, and one that was a dedicated tackler but had shoddy DPS. Each one has a job. The problem was that the Gallente got shafted because of a sort of role reversal: They gave their DPS Inty 3 mids, and their tackling Inty only got 2, which gave their DPS Inty the ability to act as a decent tackler, but took away their tackler Inty's ability to do .. anything really. Don't get me wrong, with the right skills and fitting you could make it do some pretty interesting things, but the fact is that it couldn't touch a Taranis' DPS or any other DPS Inty for that matter. By taking away a high slot and giving it to the mids, the Ares will finally be able to do the job it was designed to do, and to everyone else who says they want more DPS out of an Interceptor, get a Taranis. Or if you like flying a missile Inty and are complaining that its losing its missiles, then you should have trained Caldari instead of Gallente. Gallente ships are not missile ships. Even the Roden shipyards ships, which are supposed to be missile oriented, still make better use of turrets than they do missiles. Get over it. Gallente are not missile users. End of story.
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.23 22:39:00 - [50] With changing the Ares to be a decent ship, I might start feeling slightly guilty about using mine as a shuttle. But only very slightly.
Abye Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.23 23:13:00 - [51] Edited by: Abye on 23/11/2007 23:13:22 Pure win as tackler. mwd, disruptor and either webber or Sensor Booster for more headroom. For damage, the Taranis is this way -> ___ CCP Garthagk: "And that is why GMs aren't DEVs"

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