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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:38:00 -
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Episode two was a major failure imo.
HL2 was exellent when it first launched because its was groundbreaking and new. But after we have been spoiled with STALKER HL:Episode 2 is plain average. Average gameplay, average scripted enemies and average storyline.
The only thing not average but above average is the visuals.
In conclusion a massive let down. It seams that VALVE have been resting on their laurels while the gaming industry has taken it all one step further.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:39:00 -
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Lofty, thats true. Still I don't think Episode 3 will revolve around portals, it's too obvious. Also Eli wouldn't be scared of it. I guess I'm exited to see what Borealis has waiting for us :D
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Episode two was a major failure imo.
HL2 was exellent when it first launched because its was groundbreaking and new. But after we have been spoiled with STALKER HL:Episode 2 is plain average. Average gameplay, average scripted enemies and average storyline.
The only thing not average but above average is the visuals.
In conclusion a massive let down. It seams that VALVE have been resting on their laurels while the gaming industry has taken it all one step further.
I do agree that Episode 1 and 2 seem to be alot around showing what their Source engine is capable off.
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Episode two was a major failure imo.
You're still sour that noone agrees with you. The half life episodes, episode 2 especially, are truely magnificent in their ability to make the player feel like they ARE Gordon Freeman. In thief you feel like you're controlling a guy stealing things and infiltrating spooky mental asylum orphanages. In halo, you feel like a guy in a suit, but have no real connection the the character or characters around you other than 'oh that's so cool'.
In HL2, episode 1 and 2, you have a true connection with characters such as Eli, Alyx, Barney, and you can see the way in which they have connections with one-another as well. Sure, the steam engine isn't groundbreaking anymore, but the stuff valve is producing within it is the pinnacle of gaming to this day, IMO.
And wtf, STALKER? That game was good, but comparing it with Half Life 2? It looked pretty, and the gun-play was decent and very fun, but it was hardly groundbreaking, if that's what you were trying to get at? If you feel it was groundbreaking, can you tell me which aspect? Graphics, AI, gameplay? What. It all felt very good, very smooth, and very well-made, but it wasn't anything spectacularly new... ---
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:53:00 -
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Stalker looks meh, i never bought it! --------------------------------------------
THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! |

lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:54:00 -
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You should Mtt. Slaying mutant zombie fire-hax things was fun  ---
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Mtthias Clemi
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:09:00 -
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Perhaps when i get paid on Friday lofty my boy! --------------------------------------------
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:12:00 -
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Hoho! Got a job now have you?! ---
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Sargeraes
Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sargeraes on 17/10/2007 22:23:39
Originally by: Shell Guardian
Originally by: lofty29 Yahtzee's review was a triumph. He's making a note of portal's huge success. It's hard to overstate his satisfaction. Zero Punctuation...
any one want to continue it?
He does what he must, because he can. For the good of all of us. (Except the ones who are dead)
But there's no sense crying over every bad game You just keep on reviewing and continue to flame and the gaming gets done, and you stroke your gravity gun With the gamers who are still alive!
Sorry......not much of a musician 
He's partially angry He's using much sarcasm now. Even though he played the game and liked it.
..and really did like it. ..and sung out his praise onto the web. As he sung it hurt because He was so happy for once.
And while episode two was a bit of a tease, Still we're all astonished that he's actually pleased. So he's glad he got the box, Think of all the time he's lost, To the game that he actually likes.
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Kyrall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:23:00 -
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Stalker was cool, bit buggy though and when I found out the patches meant you had to restart the game (yet again in my case, I found it blooming hard) I just couldn't keep my interest in it. I intend to pick it up again someday, maybe after my next upgrade so it doesn't take so long to load...
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:26:00 -
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One day I'm going to try all these games like Stalker, but my computer isn't up to it and I don't really play the games I already do have 
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: lofty29 on 17/10/2007 22:27:59 Yahtzee's review was a triumph. He's making a note of portal's huge success. It's hard to overstate his satisfaction. Zero Punctuation... He does what he must, because he's paid. For the good of all of us. Except the Halo fanboys.
But there's no sense crying over every bad game You just keep on reviewing and continue to flame and the gaming gets done, and you stroke your gravity gun With the gamers who are still alive!
He's partially angry He's using much sarcasm now. Even though he played the game and liked it.
..and really did like it. ..and sung out his praise onto the web. As he sung it hurt because He was so happy for once.
And while episode two was a bit of a tease, Still we're all astonished that he's actually pleased. So he's glad he got the box, Think of all the time he's lost, To the game that he actually likes.
And believe me there's not many he likes.
He's reviewing games that he does not like.
And there's so many that he does not like.
Does not like.
Does not like...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Stalker looks meh, i never bought it!
Stalker is one of the best storyline-based FPSs of all time. It combines aspects of free-roaming games like Morrowind with those of a linear FPS, and adds in a whole hell of a lot of original ideas. Result: total awesomeness.
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Sargeraes
Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 17/10/2007 22:36:28 Yahtzee's review was a triumph. He's making a note of portal's huge success. It's hard to overstate his satisfaction. Zero Punctuation... He does what he must, because he's paid. For the good of all of us. Except the Halo fanboys.
But there's no sense crying over every bad game You just keep on reviewing and continue to flame and the gaming gets done, and you make a funny pun for the gamers who he doesn't like!
He's partially angry He's using much sarcasm now. Even though he played the game and liked it. ..and really did like it. ..and sung out his praise onto the web. As he sung it hurt because He was so happy for once.
Now these points of data make a beautiful line And we're out of beta We're releasing on time So I'm GLaD I got burned Think of all the things we learned From the people who are still alive
Go ahead and leave me I think I prefer to stay inside Maybe you'll find someone else to help you Maybe Black Mesa That was a joke, haha, fat chance. Anyway this cake is great It's so delicious and moist
And while episode two was a bit of a tease, Still we're all astonished that he's actually pleased. So he's glad he got the box, Think of all the time he's lost, To the game that he actually likes.
And believe me there's not many he likes.
He's reviewing games that he does not like.
And there's so many that he does not like.
Does not like.
Does not like...
    
OMG you're right I think I wrote the chorus...
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ColwirthGG
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 17/10/2007 22:40:05 Yahtzee's review was a triumph. He's making a note of portal's huge success. It's hard to overstate his satisfaction. Zero Punctuation... He does what he must, because he's paid. For the good of all of us. Except the Halo fanboys.
But there's no sense crying over every bad game He just keeps on reviewing and continue to flame and the gaming gets done, and he makes a funny pun for the gamers who he doesn't like!
He's partially angry He's using much sarcasm now. Even though he played the game and liked it. ..and really did like it. ..and sung out his praise onto the web. As he sung it hurt because He was so happy for once.
Now these points of data make a beautiful line And we're out of beta We're releasing on time So I'm GLaD I got burned Think of all the things we learned From the people who are still alive
Go ahead and leave him I think he prefers to stay alone Maybe you'll find someone else to help you Maybe IGN? That was a joke, haha, fat chance. Anyway his reviews are great They're so amusing and true.
And while episode two was a bit of a tease, Still we're all astonished that he's actually pleased. So he's glad he got the box, Think of all the time he's lost, To the game that he actually likes.
And believe me there's not many he likes.
He's reviewing games that he does not like.
And there's so many that he does not like.
Does not like.
Does not like...
    

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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:03:00 -
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don't know why but I found Stalker incredibly slow and tedious. I never liked Morrowind/Oblivion either other than because they looked pretty 
I loved every bit of Episode 2 though. As lofty said, the character interaction, way the story is portrayed to you and atmosphere in general are amazing. It's value as an FPS however is hardly groundbreaking, which is probably why some people (particually those not interested in the HL2 story) wouldn't have liked it. -----
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:21:00 -
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This just makes me sad that I can't run portal on my laptop  --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.18 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 You're still sour that noone agrees with you.
Eh sour no one agrees with me? This is a review thread, if you agree with me or not is irrelevant lofty-loft.
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The half life episodes, episode 2 especially, are truely magnificent in their ability to make the player feel like they ARE Gordon Freeman. In thief you feel like you're controlling a guy stealing things and infiltrating spooky mental asylum orphanages. In halo, you feel like a guy in a suit, but have no real connection the the character or characters around you other than 'oh that's so cool'.
Thief check Halo check Half life ep:2 ....seen it all before. Done it. Predictable at every turn.
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In HL2, episode 1 and 2, you have a true connection with characters such as Eli, Alyx, Barney, and you can see the way in which they have connections with one-another as well. Sure, the source engine isn't groundbreaking anymore (why reinvent the wheel, anyway?), but the stuff valve is producing within it is the pinnacle of gaming to this day, IMO.
Pinnacle? Hardly.
Half life 2 was great. Episode 1 was pretty cool but 2 was as alread said a let down. Its all the same, a weak plot, nothing new other than the boring magnusson device. Ep2 had lots of riving like the others, but in HL2 you had huge open areas, in ep1 it was very limited. And the driving bit, it was really pointless as all it really did was take you from a to b. Might as well have created a cutsecene where they travelled. At least then you could have a cig.
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And wtf, STALKER? That game was good, but comparing it with Half Life 2? It looked pretty, and the gun-play was decent and very fun, but it was hardly groundbreaking, if that's what you were trying to get at?
The STALKER AI is unrivaled. As a fps/explorer is far superior to HL2. And yes, the STALKER gameplay was in many ways groundbreaking.
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If you feel it was groundbreaking, can you tell me which aspect? Graphics, AI, gameplay? What. It all felt very good, very smooth, and very well-made, but it wasn't anything spectacularly new...
The AI naturally and gameplay.
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Rhin Kaiser
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Posted - 2007.10.18 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rhin Kaiser on 18/10/2007 07:31:29
Originally by: lofty29
Now these points of data make a beautiful line And we're out of beta We're releasing on time So I'm GLaD I got burned Think of all the things we learned From the people who are still alive
    
And now hell's froze over and he just can't complain, And if he does it again, He'll cause himself so much pain. We're so glad he's not ****ed, After all the games he'd dissed, He found a game that he actually likes.

This is amazing... I've had Still Alive stuck in my head for a few days, and this isn't helping! 
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.18 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sqalevon Clicky
Good stuff.
Hahahahahaha awesome :P i love that guy
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rhumbline
Caldari toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.18 09:23:00 -
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 Great stuff, also i just watched his tabula rasa beta vid....oh my, the *ahem* covert lettuce smuggling reference at the end made me nearly cover my keyboard with coffee.... 
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:45:00 -
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He makes me giddy
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.18 13:02:00 -
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http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop
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Yuri Christonovitch
Brother Hood Of A Thousand
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Posted - 2007.10.18 17:46:00 -
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I dont know if this has already been posted, but a mate just linked me This 
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lofty29
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
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If you feel it was groundbreaking, can you tell me which aspect? Graphics, AI, gameplay? What. It all felt very good, very smooth, and very well-made, but it wasn't anything spectacularly new...
The AI naturally and gameplay.
How in the hell was the AI groundbreaking? All they did was go and hide behind trees, making gunfights last way, way too long I had one fight with 6 soldiers. It took a half hour because they kept hiding, and if I came out they'd just gun me down. It's not revolutionary, it's a bit annoying. The gameplay, like I said, was very good, but again; it's been done before, just not quite as smoothly. It was not revolutionary.
As an exploring FPS, sure STALKER is better...but Half Life is a linear shooter, and that's what it's supposed to be. It doesn't give you space to explore, as that would not work. People would stray miles from the main story and not be able to pick it up again. Stalker is not the same type of game as half life, except the fact that they're both FPSes. That's their only similarity. ---
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 18/10/2007 18:50:47
Originally by: lofty29 How in the hell was the AI groundbreaking? All they did was go and hide behind trees, making gunfights last way, way too long I had one fight with 6 soldiers. It took a half hour because they kept hiding, and if I came out they'd just gun me down. It's not revolutionary, it's a bit annoying.
I'm sorry soldier, but I have to pull rank on you. I have played a lot more games that you, infact I have played games longer than you have existed. The AI in STALKER were CLEVER, clever Splinter cell style and then some. They kept hiding because they knew that if you went out in the open....they would be left out in the open and gunned down. When they killed you becaue you came out means they outsmarted you.
Tip : Flanking is your friend, so is vantage points. Take advantage of the terrain, basic infantry tactics.
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The gameplay, like I said, was very good, but again; it's been done before, just not quite as smoothly. It was not revolutionary.
The whole 'STALKER world' was quite revolutionaty. It was the luv child of Silent Hill+doom3+half life. Exploration, horror and action all packed in one nice box.
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As an exploring FPS, sure STALKER is better...but Half Life is a linear shooter, and that's what it's supposed to be.
Really? I thought HL2 was quite the explorer/fps
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It doesn't give you space to explore, as that would not work. People would stray miles from the main story and not be able to pick it up again. Stalker is not the same type of game as half life, except the fact that they're both FPSes. That's their only similarity.
In HL2 I drove the car and stopped by abandoned houses and killed some peeps and discovered some sheit.
I apreciate HL2 for what it was. When it first launched it was 'uberpwnagex100'. But the industry changed, and VALVE failed to adapt. You wont find a bigger HL2 fanboy than me(arguably) but ep1 was 'ok' while ep2 was 'bah/meh/pffft'.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:50:00 -
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You're missing the point more than Bungie right now, DK... ---
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 18/10/2007 18:55:40
Originally by: lofty29 You're missing the point more than Bungie right now, DK...
What a comeback
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Me<---------------------------------------------your point
Please help me fill the gap
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Valve created the game of the year and they thought their engine and storyline alone could give them unlimited credits. They thought wrong. Their storyline turns weaker and weaker for each episode, and the graphics alone isnt enough to save them.
Valve devs even said 'we wont focus on new stuff, instead we create new stuff for the grav gun....the magnusson device'. Yeah, that gets a -10 in inventiveness. Episode 2 was just HL2 with different locations and thats that.
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Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:58:00 -
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Death Kill has some serious fail going on right now.
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 18/10/2007 19:01:29
Originally by: Shalia Ripper Death Kill has some serious fail going on right now.
I really wish people would THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX and use different terms. Every goon uses the term 'win' or 'fail' as their vocabulary is highly limited.
I also wish they would think outside the box when it comes to receiving highly anticipated games. Just because a company created 'game of the year' doesnt mean they can do it over and over again. (see bioshock)
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